Since I carry a US passport and vote there as well I am just as qualified to use "we" as you are. The fact that you are limited in your experiences and input to form a viewpoint because of your uni-national view shows in your mails.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > >The only rules are over exports of violence, terrorism and drugs....Gee, > aren't we already doing that........ > > Is Costa Rica into that shit now? > > On Dec 1, 1:42 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > The only rules are over exports of violence, terrorism and drugs.... > > > > Gee, aren't we already doing that......... but at great cost in US > > (and other) blood ?? Why not make the blood payments for this activity > > THEIRS instead of ours ??? > > > > The very history of this region proves that nothing else has or will > > function.. try the real world for a change.... If you want to punish a > > country, punish the leaders FIRST. > > > > On 12/1/09, VT Sean Lewis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The language of jackboots and ultimatums and killing leaders > > > if they do not follow our rules seems very over the top. > > > > > On Dec 1, 10:14 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Just which part do you find to be incorrect ??? Do you truly believe > > >> that tribal leadership/membership/loyalty can be dissolved using any > > >> of the present methods in the next two or three or four generations > > >> without harsh methods ?? > > > > >> If so lets look at eastern africa..... all the best from the west has > > >> been poured into it for close to a century.... explain the partitioned > > >> Pakistan... the huge rift between gaza and the west bank... both are > > >> "palestinian". and a long list of others... yet all cling to the > > >> tribal mentality with no end in sight. > > > > >> Mein Kampf or not.... what is your solution that has not been already > > >> tried (and failed) REPEATEDLY ?? > > > > >> On 12/1/09, VT Sean Lewis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > Mein Kampf sounds like a children's book compared to this. > > > > >> > On Dec 1, 9:50 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> The only lasting peace that will be attained in Afghanistan will be > > >> >> under the the jack-boots of a strong, kill all dissenters dictator. > > >> >> Promise him free reign as long as he exports/allows to be exported > > >> >> nothing but grain and fruits. Tell him he will be killed otherwise. > > >> >> Then keep the promise. > > > > >> >> The will and moral dilemma the west has will NEVER suffice in a > tribal > > >> >> atmosphere. There can be no "Mr. Nice Guy". You may have to kill > the > > >> >> first two or three dictators for the lesson to sink in and the US > > >> >> people do not have the cajones. > > > > >> >> On Dec 1, 7:31 am, VT Sean Lewis <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > >> >> > The Afghan people deserve a real chance at Peace, > > >> >> > that is why I support President Obama and the Troop increase. > > > > >> >> > Sean Lewis > > >> >> > December 1, 2009 > > > > >> >> > The moment Rumsfeld denied the Military Generals request to > > >> >> > send addition troops into Tora Bora to capture or kill > > >> >> > Bin Laden, that was the moment that a swift and > > >> >> > long lasting victory against terrorism was forever lost. > > > > >> >> > We have been fighting a mismanaged war of attrition > > >> >> > and will ever since that moment. > > > > >> >> > The will of Al-Qaeda would have been crushed if > > >> >> > Bin Laden had been quickly brought to justice. The > > >> >> > exact opposite occurred when Bin laden was allowed to > > >> >> > escape. It not only allowed Al-Qaeda to re-constitute > > >> >> > itself but also energized multiple terrorist organizations > > >> >> > through out the world. > > > > >> >> > These organizations now knew that not only could they > > >> >> > strike at America, but they could also do so and live to > > >> >> > reap the benefits of such a successful attack. > > > > >> >> > Had the US actually completed the task of capturing or > > >> >> > killing Bin Laden the post war Afghanistan theater of > > >> >> > operations would have been one of reconstruction not > > >> >> > continued warfare. > > > > >> >> > Unfortunately this is not what occurred. > > > > >> >> > Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda found sanctuary in Pakistan > > >> >> > and reestablished itself as a nebulous enemy with > > >> >> > no central point to attack and thus be able to eradicate > > >> >> > it. Such a swift and quick victory will never be available again. > > > > >> >> > In fact the ability to win militarily may no longer be an option. > > > > >> >> > This option was squandered by Rumsfeld, time, > > >> >> > constant war, incompetence, torture and no clear plan or > > >> >> > strategy have turned the population in Afghanistan into > > >> >> > angry participants in a war not of their choosing. > > > > >> >> > What President Obama may be trying to do is to > > >> >> > make an untenable situation at least salvageable. > > > > >> >> > To do this he is willing to do what the Bush Administration > > >> >> > under Rumsfeld failed to done. > > > > >> >> > Fight the war the correct way with a clear strategy and > > >> >> > exit. > > > > >> >> > Simply put, for 8 years the war was not fought to attain > > >> >> > a long term victory, but merely to win in the short term. > > >> >> > These are not the same things as time has clearly proven. > > > > >> >> > President Obama wants to try to correct a monumental > > >> >> > mistake. To TRULY stabilize the region so that the population > > >> >> > has a real opportunity to establish their own government > > >> >> > that may be able to withstand the influence of both the > > >> >> > Taliban and Al-Qaeda. > > > > >> >> > America had no business in trying to establish a US > > >> >> > style democracy in another Country. This is a recipe > > >> >> > for certain failure. > > > > >> >> > It is one thing to free a people from tyranny, but they will > > >> >> > quickly reject their rescuers if they are merely shackled > > >> >> > to another form of forced governance. > > > > >> >> > This is exactly what the Bush Administration did, they > > >> >> > merely changed one form of forced governance for > > >> >> > another, neither of which were the actual will of > > >> >> > the Afghan people. > > > > >> >> > The best President Obama can hope for after 8 years > > >> >> > of utter incompetent Presidential oversight in the > > >> >> > execution of military action in Afghanistan, is a country that > > >> >> > can remain stable and not once again come under the influence > > >> >> > of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. > > > > >> >> > It is a long shot, but that doesn't mean the Afghan people > > >> >> > do not deserve the opportunity to actually have the ability > > >> >> > for real reform in a safe and stable environment that is > > >> >> > created by overwhelming military force, securing the peace. > > > > >> >> >http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/1/81844/7221?new=true > > > > >> > -- > > >> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > > >> > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > > > >> > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > > >> > * It's active and moderated. 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