The only rules are over exports of violence, terrorism and drugs.... Gee, aren't we already doing that......... but at great cost in US (and other) blood ?? Why not make the blood payments for this activity THEIRS instead of ours ???
The very history of this region proves that nothing else has or will function.. try the real world for a change.... If you want to punish a country, punish the leaders FIRST. On 12/1/09, VT Sean Lewis <[email protected]> wrote: > The language of jackboots and ultimatums and killing leaders > if they do not follow our rules seems very over the top. > > On Dec 1, 10:14 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> Just which part do you find to be incorrect ??? Do you truly believe >> that tribal leadership/membership/loyalty can be dissolved using any >> of the present methods in the next two or three or four generations >> without harsh methods ?? >> >> If so lets look at eastern africa..... all the best from the west has >> been poured into it for close to a century.... explain the partitioned >> Pakistan... the huge rift between gaza and the west bank... both are >> "palestinian". and a long list of others... yet all cling to the >> tribal mentality with no end in sight. >> >> Mein Kampf or not.... what is your solution that has not been already >> tried (and failed) REPEATEDLY ?? >> >> On 12/1/09, VT Sean Lewis <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Mein Kampf sounds like a children's book compared to this. >> >> > On Dec 1, 9:50 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> The only lasting peace that will be attained in Afghanistan will be >> >> under the the jack-boots of a strong, kill all dissenters dictator. >> >> Promise him free reign as long as he exports/allows to be exported >> >> nothing but grain and fruits. Tell him he will be killed otherwise. >> >> Then keep the promise. >> >> >> The will and moral dilemma the west has will NEVER suffice in a tribal >> >> atmosphere. There can be no "Mr. Nice Guy". You may have to kill the >> >> first two or three dictators for the lesson to sink in and the US >> >> people do not have the cajones. >> >> >> On Dec 1, 7:31 am, VT Sean Lewis <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > The Afghan people deserve a real chance at Peace, >> >> > that is why I support President Obama and the Troop increase. >> >> >> > Sean Lewis >> >> > December 1, 2009 >> >> >> > The moment Rumsfeld denied the Military Generals request to >> >> > send addition troops into Tora Bora to capture or kill >> >> > Bin Laden, that was the moment that a swift and >> >> > long lasting victory against terrorism was forever lost. >> >> >> > We have been fighting a mismanaged war of attrition >> >> > and will ever since that moment. >> >> >> > The will of Al-Qaeda would have been crushed if >> >> > Bin Laden had been quickly brought to justice. The >> >> > exact opposite occurred when Bin laden was allowed to >> >> > escape. It not only allowed Al-Qaeda to re-constitute >> >> > itself but also energized multiple terrorist organizations >> >> > through out the world. >> >> >> > These organizations now knew that not only could they >> >> > strike at America, but they could also do so and live to >> >> > reap the benefits of such a successful attack. >> >> >> > Had the US actually completed the task of capturing or >> >> > killing Bin Laden the post war Afghanistan theater of >> >> > operations would have been one of reconstruction not >> >> > continued warfare. >> >> >> > Unfortunately this is not what occurred. >> >> >> > Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda found sanctuary in Pakistan >> >> > and reestablished itself as a nebulous enemy with >> >> > no central point to attack and thus be able to eradicate >> >> > it. Such a swift and quick victory will never be available again. >> >> >> > In fact the ability to win militarily may no longer be an option. >> >> >> > This option was squandered by Rumsfeld, time, >> >> > constant war, incompetence, torture and no clear plan or >> >> > strategy have turned the population in Afghanistan into >> >> > angry participants in a war not of their choosing. >> >> >> > What President Obama may be trying to do is to >> >> > make an untenable situation at least salvageable. >> >> >> > To do this he is willing to do what the Bush Administration >> >> > under Rumsfeld failed to done. >> >> >> > Fight the war the correct way with a clear strategy and >> >> > exit. >> >> >> > Simply put, for 8 years the war was not fought to attain >> >> > a long term victory, but merely to win in the short term. >> >> > These are not the same things as time has clearly proven. >> >> >> > President Obama wants to try to correct a monumental >> >> > mistake. To TRULY stabilize the region so that the population >> >> > has a real opportunity to establish their own government >> >> > that may be able to withstand the influence of both the >> >> > Taliban and Al-Qaeda. >> >> >> > America had no business in trying to establish a US >> >> > style democracy in another Country. This is a recipe >> >> > for certain failure. >> >> >> > It is one thing to free a people from tyranny, but they will >> >> > quickly reject their rescuers if they are merely shackled >> >> > to another form of forced governance. >> >> >> > This is exactly what the Bush Administration did, they >> >> > merely changed one form of forced governance for >> >> > another, neither of which were the actual will of >> >> > the Afghan people. >> >> >> > The best President Obama can hope for after 8 years >> >> > of utter incompetent Presidential oversight in the >> >> > execution of military action in Afghanistan, is a country that >> >> > can remain stable and not once again come under the influence >> >> > of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. >> >> >> > It is a long shot, but that doesn't mean the Afghan people >> >> > do not deserve the opportunity to actually have the ability >> >> > for real reform in a safe and stable environment that is >> >> > created by overwhelming military force, securing the peace. >> >> >> >http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/1/81844/7221?new=true >> >> > -- >> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> > * It's active and moderated. 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