I don't see Kristol and Gingrich necessarily advocating the same types of things, and I also see them apart on a number of issues. Yes, I like Gingrich.
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Jonathan Ashley < [email protected]> wrote: > I'm not sure what you mean when you say, "but Newt Gingrich is a far cry > from Kristol." Are you saying you like Gingrich? > > > On 9/17/2010 9:01 AM, Keith In Tampa wrote: > > Interesting perspective Jonathan.....I am no Bill Kristol fan, but Newt > Gingrich is a far cry from Kristol and other Neo-Cons..... > > > > > On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Jonathan Ashley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Unfortunately, the Tea Party groups are already being co-opted by the >> likes of Sarah Palin and Dick Armey. >> >> "Palin’s public voice is an instrument of great versatility. In a few >> moments, she can turn from kind to hateful, rational to unhinged. At her >> best Palin can be folksy and pungent. But she needs outside help to give her >> voice its national range. For messaging strategy, Palin relies on *William >> Kristol*, editor of *The Weekly Standard, *and *Fred Malek*, who was an >> aide to Presidents Richard Nixon and George H. W. Bush. The lawyer Robert >> Barnett, the most successful literary agent in Washington — his clients >> range from Hillary Clinton to Dick Cheney to Tony Blair — negotiated Palin’s >> reported $7 million advance for *Going Rogue,* and he helps oversee her >> speaking schedule, which is arranged by the Washington Speakers Bureau. The >> small inner circle that shapes Palin’s voice day to day includes *lobbyist >> Randy Scheunemann*, a director of the neoconservative think tank Project >> for the New American Century, who advises Palin on foreign affairs, and Kim >> Daniels, a lawyer with the Thomas More Law Center, which has been called >> “the Christian answer to the A.C.L.U.,” who advises her on domestic issues. >> Palin’s speechwriter is Lindsay Hayes. Doug McMarlin and Jason Recher, both >> of whom did advance work for George W. Bush, serve as body men and >> confidants."[1] >> >> Armey (along with con man Newt Gingrich) was one of the prime architects >> of the 1994 Contract With America. It's been 16 years since the Republicans >> pulled that scam - I'm still waiting for results. >> >> >> [1] >> http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2010/10/sarah-palin-201010?currentPage=all >> >> >> >> On 9/17/2010 7:53 AM, Keith In Tampa wrote: >> >> Actually, I couldn't disagree more. >> >> The Tea Partiers are actually a legitimate, grass roots crew, who the far >> left socialist-elitists detest. They are true Americans who have finally >> stood up to the Marxists in control, and for those of them who have been >> active in politics, to their own formally conservative Republican Party and >> demanded a house cleaning, and their party back. >> >> They will make a difference this election, as in 2012, and don't be >> surprised to see the likes of O'Connell in Delaware, as well as others >> throughout the Nation to shock a lot of these purported "moderates" who are >> pretty much what the Democratic Party used to be. >> >> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:29 AM, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Well... to continue on the same metaphor.... actually, I was speaking >>> about the Membership of the Tea party Express....Ever hear the >>> expression >>> "It isn't what you know it's WHO you know that matters to get ahead in >>> this world."?..... >>> I think that the expression holds for the major part (if not all) of >>> Tea Party Expressers..... just a bunch of social climbing elitist >>> sorts who get by on their connections and cronyism. But, I've altered >>> that "expression" about social climbers and such economic parasites a >>> bit..... I say... It isn't what you know it's WHO'S COCK YOU BLOW that >>> matters to get ahead in this world.... It was just a continuation of >>> the metaphor to get to the "train-like" sound that the Tea Party >>> Express Train makes..... HAR HAR HAR HAR.... all in parody and satire, >>> of course.... >>> nominal9 >>> On Sep 15, 8:03 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > I'm doing great Nominal, >>> > >>> > So.....When you see Tea Party Patriots, your mind wanders to having >>> oral >>> > sex? >>> > >>> > Okay.....I think that speaks volumes..... >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:46 PM, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > I've got this "gag"... hope it doesn't get me censored off this >>> > > site..... it isn't about any other poster or even about any one >>> > > "public personality.... although a "public personality" should be >>> fair >>> > > game to Satire, Parody and such (Heck, Travis seems to get away with >>> a >>> > > lot of that)..........It's about the Tea Party Express >>> > > Do you know what the Tea Party Exress Train sounds like? >>> > > It goes.... >>> > >>> > > Cocka-Sucka, Cocka-Sucka. Cocka-Sucka..... Chew... Chew >>> > > Cocka-Sucka, Cocka-Sucka. Cocka-Sucka..... Chew... Chew >>> > > Cocka-Sucka, Cocka-Sucka. Cocka-Sucka..... Chew... Chew >>> > > Cocka-Sucka, Cocka-Sucka. Cocka-Sucka..... Chew... Chew >>> > >>> > > HAR... >>> > > how you doin' Keith from Tampa? >>> > >>> > > On Sep 15, 3:50 pm, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > >>> http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Election-2010/2010/0915/What-is-the-tea-... >>> > >>> > > > By Brad Knickerbocker, Staff writer / September 15, 2010 >>> > >>> > > > In recent months, the "tea party" movement has swept across the >>> > > > political landscape, sending shivers through both major political >>> > > > parties and shaking up this year’s midterm elections. >>> > >>> > > > Skip to next paragraph View gallery: Tea Parties >>> > > > Related Stories >>> > > > 'Tea party' is polarizing, but has many 'closet admirers,' poll >>> finds >>> > > > 'Tea party' Contract From America: Real plan or bumper sticker? Tea >>> > > > Party - All coverage What began as a minor insurgency featuring >>> > > > protesters waving signs of dubious syntax, followed by racially >>> tinged >>> > > > conspiracies about President Obama’s lineage and religion and >>> > > > ostentatiously displayed firearms – and cheered on by some >>> > > > conservative commentators and bloggers – is now winning elections >>> that >>> > > > could determine the balance of power in the US Congress. (The main >>> > > > question here is, does the trend favor Republicans or Democrats?) >>> > >>> > > > There is no such thing as the “tea party.” It is not organized as >>> > > > such, and in fact the movement in some sense is antiparty – even >>> > > > though most of its political pot-stirring has been within the GOP. >>> > >>> > > > IN PICTURES: Tea Parties >>> > >>> > > > Join our conversation about the tea party on Facebook. >>> > > > The “Taxed Enough Already” movement took initial aim at federal >>> > > > government attempts to bail out and then stimulate a faltering >>> economy >>> > > > – attempts that had begun during the Bush administration – as well >>> as >>> > > > at the Obama administration’s push for health-care insurance >>> reform. >>> > >>> > > > If the movement had a symbolic beginning, it was in January 2009 >>> with >>> > > > stock-trader Graham Makohoniuk’s call to mail tea bags to members >>> of >>> > > > Congress. Conservative bloggers took up the theme, CNBC’s Rick >>> > > > Santelli made his famous rant against government help for >>> underwater >>> > > > home mortgages, and public protests around the country began. >>> > >>> > > > Since then, the movement has sprouted (although not been defined or >>> > > > controlled by) several major organizations. >>> > >>> > > > Tea Party Patriots says it has more than 1,000 community-based tea >>> > > > party groups around the country. The group’s mission is to >>> “attract, >>> > > > educate, organize, and mobilize our fellow citizens to secure >>> public >>> > > > policy consistent with our three core values of Fiscal >>> Responsibility, >>> > > > Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets,” according to >>> > > > its website. >>> > >>> > > > FreedomWorks, chaired by former US House majority leader Dick >>> Armey, >>> > > > claims “hundreds of thousands of grassroots volunteers nationwide.” >>> > > > FreedomWorks goes back to 1984, but has become a major source of >>> the >>> > > > tea party movement’s promotion and activities. It was an organizer >>> of >>> > > > last Sunday’s Taxpayer March on Washington. >>> > >>> > > > Page: 1 | 2 >>> > > > The Tea Party Express, based in Sacramento, Calif., was a major >>> force >>> > > > behind the Republican primary victories of Sharron Angle in Nevada, >>> > > > Joe Miller in Alaska, and Christine O’Donnell in Delaware. It was >>> also >>> > > > a major donor to Scott Brown’s successful campaign for US Senate in >>> > > > Massachusetts. >>> > >>> > > > Skip to next paragraph View gallery: Tea Parties >>> > > > Related Stories >>> > > > 'Tea party' is polarizing, but has many 'closet admirers,' poll >>> finds >>> > > > 'Tea party' Contract From America: Real plan or bumper sticker? Tea >>> > > > Party - All coverage There may not be a “tea party” per se, but its >>> > > > adherents' philosophy and aims are officially represented on >>> Capitol >>> > > > Hill. In July, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R) of Minnesota formed the >>> Tea >>> > > > Party Caucus. Fifty lawmakers quickly joined the group. >>> > >>> > > > While national organizations and grass-roots groups have their own >>> > > > stated goals, there is a tea party manifesto of sorts, which >>> > > > candidates are being encouraged to endorse. It’s the Contract From >>> > > > America, launched by Ryan Hecker, an attorney and activist in >>> Houston. >>> > >>> > > > Meanwhile, a clearer picture of tea partyers is emerging. >>> > >>> > > > In March, the Sam Adams Alliance, a Chicago-based nonprofit, issued >>> a >>> > > > report based on a national survey of the tea party movement, its >>> > > > leaders, and their motivations. >>> > >>> > > > Among the findings: >>> > >>> > > > • 86 percent oppose the formation of a third party. >>> > > > • 36 percent support a 2012 Sarah Palin presidential candidacy. >>> > > > • 81 percent have a website for their organization. >>> > > > • 90 percent cited “to stand up for my beliefs” when characterizing >>> > > > their initial reason for involvement. >>> > > > • 62 percent identified as Republicans, 28 percent as Independents, >>> 10 >>> > > > percent as “Tea Party.” >>> > >>> > > > “Tea Party activists are for the most part new to this role,” the >>> > > > report states. “They are neither practiced nor polished in >>> activism; >>> > > > but having experienced a taste of the empowerment that comes with >>> > > > action, they feel more than ever that this is their time to act. >>> Above >>> > > > all, they are motivated by a fear of NOT acting.... Their diversity >>> is >>> > > > their strength, and they are not a movement that can easily be >>> defined >>> > > > by those jumping up to lead them. They are powerful and, in this >>> > > > sense, they are the ‘early adopters’ of a new type of political >>> > > > involvement.” >>> > >>> > > > More recently, the Sam Adams Alliance reports that significant >>> numbers >>> > > > of newcomers to the tea party movement are dropping their >>> affiliation >>> > > > with the GOP: Forty-seven percent changed their political >>> affiliation >>> > > > to “Independent/unaffiliated,” 20 percent changed to “other,” 20 >>> > > > percent to “Tea Party,” and 13 percent to “Libertarian.” >>> > >>> > > > That's exactly why Republicans as well as Democrats are very >>> concerned >>> > > > about this new movement in American politics. >>> > >>> > > -- >>> > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> > > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> > >>> > > * Visit our other community >>> > > athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>> <http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>> > > * It's active and moderated. 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