Hey Jonathan, I agree for the most part. There have been a number of issues that I disagreed with, which Gingrich has championed. I am unfamiliar with what you are referencing regarding the federalization of education, I understand Gingrich to be opposed to the Department of Education. Likewise, I am unfamiliar with the reference to the state environmental regulation(s); and I do keep a fairly close eye on environmental regulations, (for a number of reasons....)
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Jonathan Ashley < [email protected]> wrote: > Gingrich is interesting to listen to, but his voting record does not > measure up to his rhetoric. > > He was the most vocal proponent of the pre-election 1994 Contract with > America which, among other things, called for a balanced budget amendment, > yet he is on record as having voted (on 10 March 1994) against a > responsible amendment offered by Rep. Gerald Solomon (R-NY) to balance the > budget by 1999. > > He often voted for amendments that lacked fiscal responsibility. > > He routinely voted for unconstitutional environmental amendments that > violate the right of the States to regulate such issues. > > His votes on federalizing education, creating a national police force, and > other legislation which violates states' rights is there for all to see if > they will take the time. > > Gingrich is not a friend of freedom. > > On 9/17/2010 10:25 AM, Keith In Tampa wrote: > > I don't see Kristol and Gingrich necessarily advocating the same types of > things, and I also see them apart on a number of issues. Yes, I like > Gingrich. > > > > > On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Jonathan Ashley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm not sure what you mean when you say, "but Newt Gingrich is a far cry >> from Kristol." Are you saying you like Gingrich? >> >> >> On 9/17/2010 9:01 AM, Keith In Tampa wrote: >> >> Interesting perspective Jonathan.....I am no Bill Kristol fan, but Newt >> Gingrich is a far cry from Kristol and other Neo-Cons..... >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Jonathan Ashley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Unfortunately, the Tea Party groups are already being co-opted by the >>> likes of Sarah Palin and Dick Armey. >>> >>> "Palin’s public voice is an instrument of great versatility. In a few >>> moments, she can turn from kind to hateful, rational to unhinged. At her >>> best Palin can be folksy and pungent. But she needs outside help to give her >>> voice its national range. For messaging strategy, Palin relies on *William >>> Kristol*, editor of *The Weekly Standard, *and *Fred Malek*, who was an >>> aide to Presidents Richard Nixon and George H. W. Bush. The lawyer Robert >>> Barnett, the most successful literary agent in Washington — his clients >>> range from Hillary Clinton to Dick Cheney to Tony Blair — negotiated Palin’s >>> reported $7 million advance for *Going Rogue,* and he helps oversee her >>> speaking schedule, which is arranged by the Washington Speakers Bureau. The >>> small inner circle that shapes Palin’s voice day to day includes *lobbyist >>> Randy Scheunemann*, a director of the neoconservative think tank Project >>> for the New American Century, who advises Palin on foreign affairs, and Kim >>> Daniels, a lawyer with the Thomas More Law Center, which has been called >>> “the Christian answer to the A.C.L.U.,” who advises her on domestic issues. >>> Palin’s speechwriter is Lindsay Hayes. Doug McMarlin and Jason Recher, both >>> of whom did advance work for George W. Bush, serve as body men and >>> confidants."[1] >>> >>> Armey (along with con man Newt Gingrich) was one of the prime architects >>> of the 1994 Contract With America. It's been 16 years since the Republicans >>> pulled that scam - I'm still waiting for results. >>> >>> >>> [1] >>> http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2010/10/sarah-palin-201010?currentPage=all >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9/17/2010 7:53 AM, Keith In Tampa wrote: >>> >>> Actually, I couldn't disagree more. >>> >>> The Tea Partiers are actually a legitimate, grass roots crew, who the far >>> left socialist-elitists detest. They are true Americans who have finally >>> stood up to the Marxists in control, and for those of them who have been >>> active in politics, to their own formally conservative Republican Party and >>> demanded a house cleaning, and their party back. >>> >>> They will make a difference this election, as in 2012, and don't be >>> surprised to see the likes of O'Connell in Delaware, as well as others >>> throughout the Nation to shock a lot of these purported "moderates" who are >>> pretty much what the Democratic Party used to be. >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:29 AM, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Well... to continue on the same metaphor.... actually, I was speaking >>>> about the Membership of the Tea party Express....Ever hear the >>>> expression >>>> "It isn't what you know it's WHO you know that matters to get ahead in >>>> this world."?..... >>>> I think that the expression holds for the major part (if not all) of >>>> Tea Party Expressers..... just a bunch of social climbing elitist >>>> sorts who get by on their connections and cronyism. But, I've altered >>>> that "expression" about social climbers and such economic parasites a >>>> bit..... I say... It isn't what you know it's WHO'S COCK YOU BLOW that >>>> matters to get ahead in this world.... It was just a continuation of >>>> the metaphor to get to the "train-like" sound that the Tea Party >>>> Express Train makes..... HAR HAR HAR HAR.... all in parody and satire, >>>> of course.... >>>> nominal9 >>>> On Sep 15, 8:03 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > I'm doing great Nominal, >>>> > >>>> > So.....When you see Tea Party Patriots, your mind wanders to having >>>> oral >>>> > sex? >>>> > >>>> > Okay.....I think that speaks volumes..... >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:46 PM, nominal9 <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > > I've got this "gag"... hope it doesn't get me censored off this >>>> > > site..... it isn't about any other poster or even about any one >>>> > > "public personality.... although a "public personality" should be >>>> fair >>>> > > game to Satire, Parody and such (Heck, Travis seems to get away with >>>> a >>>> > > lot of that)..........It's about the Tea Party Express >>>> > > Do you know what the Tea Party Exress Train sounds like? >>>> > > It goes.... >>>> > >>>> > > Cocka-Sucka, Cocka-Sucka. Cocka-Sucka..... Chew... Chew >>>> > > Cocka-Sucka, Cocka-Sucka. Cocka-Sucka..... Chew... Chew >>>> > > Cocka-Sucka, Cocka-Sucka. Cocka-Sucka..... Chew... Chew >>>> > > Cocka-Sucka, Cocka-Sucka. Cocka-Sucka..... Chew... Chew >>>> > >>>> > > HAR... >>>> > > how you doin' Keith from Tampa? >>>> > >>>> > > On Sep 15, 3:50 pm, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > > > >>>> http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Election-2010/2010/0915/What-is-the-tea-. >>>> .. >>>> > >>>> > > > By Brad Knickerbocker, Staff writer / September 15, 2010 >>>> > >>>> > > > In recent months, the "tea party" movement has swept across the >>>> > > > political landscape, sending shivers through both major political >>>> > > > parties and shaking up this year’s midterm elections. >>>> > >>>> > > > Skip to next paragraph View gallery: Tea Parties >>>> > > > Related Stories >>>> > > > 'Tea party' is polarizing, but has many 'closet admirers,' poll >>>> finds >>>> > > > 'Tea party' Contract From America: Real plan or bumper sticker? >>>> Tea >>>> > > > Party - All coverage What began as a minor insurgency featuring >>>> > > > protesters waving signs of dubious syntax, followed by racially >>>> tinged >>>> > > > conspiracies about President Obama’s lineage and religion and >>>> > > > ostentatiously displayed firearms – and cheered on by some >>>> > > > conservative commentators and bloggers – is now winning elections >>>> that >>>> > > > could determine the balance of power in the US Congress. (The main >>>> > > > question here is, does the trend favor Republicans or Democrats?) >>>> > >>>> > > > There is no such thing as the “tea party.” It is not organized as >>>> > > > such, and in fact the movement in some sense is antiparty – even >>>> > > > though most of its political pot-stirring has been within the GOP. >>>> > >>>> > > > IN PICTURES: Tea Parties >>>> > >>>> > > > Join our conversation about the tea party on Facebook. >>>> > > > The “Taxed Enough Already” movement took initial aim at federal >>>> > > > government attempts to bail out and then stimulate a faltering >>>> economy >>>> > > > – attempts that had begun during the Bush administration – as well >>>> as >>>> > > > at the Obama administration’s push for health-care insurance >>>> reform. >>>> > >>>> > > > If the movement had a symbolic beginning, it was in January 2009 >>>> with >>>> > > > stock-trader Graham Makohoniuk’s call to mail tea bags to members >>>> of >>>> > > > Congress. Conservative bloggers took up the theme, CNBC’s Rick >>>> > > > Santelli made his famous rant against government help for >>>> underwater >>>> > > > home mortgages, and public protests around the country began. >>>> > >>>> > > > Since then, the movement has sprouted (although not been defined >>>> or >>>> > > > controlled by) several major organizations. >>>> > >>>> > > > Tea Party Patriots says it has more than 1,000 community-based tea >>>> > > > party groups around the country. The group’s mission is to >>>> “attract, >>>> > > > educate, organize, and mobilize our fellow citizens to secure >>>> public >>>> > > > policy consistent with our three core values of Fiscal >>>> Responsibility, >>>> > > > Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets,” according >>>> to >>>> > > > its website. >>>> > >>>> > > > FreedomWorks, chaired by former US House majority leader Dick >>>> Armey, >>>> > > > claims “hundreds of thousands of grassroots volunteers >>>> nationwide.” >>>> > > > FreedomWorks goes back to 1984, but has become a major source of >>>> the >>>> > > > tea party movement’s promotion and activities. It was an organizer >>>> of >>>> > > > last Sunday’s Taxpayer March on Washington. >>>> > >>>> > > > Page: 1 | 2 >>>> > > > The Tea Party Express, based in Sacramento, Calif., was a major >>>> force >>>> > > > behind the Republican primary victories of Sharron Angle in >>>> Nevada, >>>> > > > Joe Miller in Alaska, and Christine O’Donnell in Delaware. It was >>>> also >>>> > > > a major donor to Scott Brown’s successful campaign for US Senate >>>> in >>>> > > > Massachusetts. >>>> > >>>> > > > Skip to next paragraph View gallery: Tea Parties >>>> > > > Related Stories >>>> > > > 'Tea party' is polarizing, but has many 'closet admirers,' poll >>>> finds >>>> > > > 'Tea party' Contract From America: Real plan or bumper sticker? >>>> Tea >>>> > > > Party - All coverage There may not be a “tea party” per se, but >>>> its >>>> > > > adherents' philosophy and aims are officially represented on >>>> Capitol >>>> > > > Hill. In July, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R) of Minnesota formed the >>>> Tea >>>> > > > Party Caucus. Fifty lawmakers quickly joined the group. >>>> > >>>> > > > While national organizations and grass-roots groups have their own >>>> > > > stated goals, there is a tea party manifesto of sorts, which >>>> > > > candidates are being encouraged to endorse. It’s the Contract From >>>> > > > America, launched by Ryan Hecker, an attorney and activist in >>>> Houston. >>>> > >>>> > > > Meanwhile, a clearer picture of tea partyers is emerging. >>>> > >>>> > > > In March, the Sam Adams Alliance, a Chicago-based nonprofit, >>>> issued a >>>> > > > report based on a national survey of the tea party movement, its >>>> > > > leaders, and their motivations. >>>> > >>>> > > > Among the findings: >>>> > >>>> > > > • 86 percent oppose the formation of a third party. >>>> > > > • 36 percent support a 2012 Sarah Palin presidential candidacy. >>>> > > > • 81 percent have a website for their organization. >>>> > > > • 90 percent cited “to stand up for my beliefs” when >>>> characterizing >>>> > > > their initial reason for involvement. >>>> > > > • 62 percent identified as Republicans, 28 percent as >>>> Independents, 10 >>>> > > > percent as “Tea Party.” >>>> > >>>> > > > “Tea Party activists are for the most part new to this role,” the >>>> > > > report states. “They are neither practiced nor polished in >>>> activism; >>>> > > > but having experienced a taste of the empowerment that comes with >>>> > > > action, they feel more than ever that this is their time to act. >>>> Above >>>> > > > all, they are motivated by a fear of NOT acting.... Their >>>> diversity is >>>> > > > their strength, and they are not a movement that can easily be >>>> defined >>>> > > > by those jumping up to lead them. They are powerful and, in this >>>> > > > sense, they are the ‘early adopters’ of a new type of political >>>> > > > involvement.” >>>> > >>>> > > > More recently, the Sam Adams Alliance reports that significant >>>> numbers >>>> > > > of newcomers to the tea party movement are dropping their >>>> affiliation >>>> > > > with the GOP: Forty-seven percent changed their political >>>> affiliation >>>> > > > to “Independent/unaffiliated,” 20 percent changed to “other,” 20 >>>> > > > percent to “Tea Party,” and 13 percent to “Libertarian.” >>>> > >>>> > > > That's exactly why Republicans as well as Democrats are very >>>> concerned >>>> > > > about this new movement in American politics. >>>> > >>>> > > -- >>>> > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>> > > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>> > >>>> > > * Visit our other community >>>> > > athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>> <http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>> > > * It's active and moderated. 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