What happens to these people if the court finds against the judge's decision. Do these new military just get kicked out then?

On 10/19/2010 08:03 PM, Keith In Tampa wrote:
This must be stopped, post haste.
Over 85 percent of our servicemen have made it clear that they do not wish to serve with openly gay individuals. We have a far left extremist judge, who on her own volition, has decided to "modify/halt/make" military policy? What is wrong with this picture? What in the Hell is wrong with our Nation!
Wake Up America!!


On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Tommy News <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Military Recruiters Told to Accept Gays
    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
    Published: October 19, 2010
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    SAN DIEGO (AP) — The military is accepting openly gay recruits for the
    first time in the nation's history, even as it tries in the courts to
    slow the movement to abolish its "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

    At least two service members discharged for being gay began the
    process to re-enlist after the Pentagon's Tuesday announcement.

    Meanwhile, a federal judge in California who overturned the 17-year
    policy last week was likely to reject the government's latest effort
    to halt her order telling the military to stop enforcing the law.

    The Justice Department will likely appeal if she does not suspend
    her order.

    The Defense Department has said it would comply with U.S. District
    Judge Virginia Phillips' order and had frozen any discharge cases.
    Pentagon spokeswoman Cynthia Smith said recruiters had been given
    top-level guidance to accept applicants who say they are gay.

    Recruiters also have been told to inform potential recruits that the
    moratorium on enforcement of the policy could be reversed at any time,
    if the ruling is appealed or the court grants a stay, she said.

    Gay rights groups were continuing to tell service members to avoid
    revealing that they are gay, fearing they could find themselves in
    trouble should the law be reinstated.

    "What people aren't really getting is that the discretion and caution
    that gay troops are showing now is exactly the same standard of
    conduct that they will adhere to when the ban is lifted permanently,"
    said Aaron Belkin, executive director of the Palm Center, a think tank
    on gays and the military at the University of California Santa
    Barbara. "Yes, a few will try to become celebrities."

    An Air Force officer and co-founder of a gay service member support
    group called OutServe said financial considerations are playing a big
    role in gay service members staying quiet.

    "The military has financially trapped us," he said, noting that he
    could owe the military about $200,000 if he were to be dismissed.

    The officer, who asked not to be identified for fear of being
    discharged, said he's hearing increasingly about heterosexual service
    members approaching gay colleagues and telling them they can come out
    now.

    He also said more gay service members are coming out to their peers
    who are friends, while keeping their orientation secret from
    leadership. He said he has come out to two peers in the last few days.

    "People are coming out informally in their units," the officer said.
    "Discussions are happening right now."

    An opponent of the judge's ruling said confusion that has come up is
    exactly what Pentagon officials feared and shows the need for her to
    immediately freeze her order while the government appeals.

    "It's only logical that a stay should be granted to avoid the
    confusion that is already occurring with reports that the Pentagon is
    telling recruiters to begin accepting homosexual applicants," said
    Tony Perkins, the president of the Family Research Council, a
    conservative advocacy group based in Washington that supports the
    policy.

    The uncertain status of the law has caused much confusion within an
    institution that has historically discriminated against gays.

    Before the 1993 law, the military banned gays entirely and declared
    them incompatible with military service. There have been instances in
    which gays have served, with the knowledge of their colleagues.

    Twenty-nine nations, including Israel, Canada, Germany and Sweden,
    allow openly gay troops, according to the Log Cabin Republicans, a gay
    rights group and plaintiff in the lawsuit before Phillips.

    The Pentagon guidance to recruiters comes after Dan Woods, the group's
    attorney, sent a letter last week warning the Justice Department that
    Army recruiters who turned away Omar Lopez in Austin, Texas may have
    caused the government to violate Phillips' injunction. Woods wrote
    that the government could be subject to a citation for contempt.

    The White House has insisted their actions in court do not diminish
    President Barack Obama's efforts to repeal the ban.

    In their stay request, government lawyers argue Phillips' order would
    be disruptive to troops serving at a time of war. They say the
    military needs time to prepare new regulations and train and educate
    service members about the change.

    Phillips has said her order does not prohibit the Pentagon from
    implementing those measures.

    Douglas Smith, spokesman for U.S. Army Recruiting Command based at
    Fort Knox, Ky., said even before the ruling recruiters did not ask
    applicants about their sexual orientation. The difference now is that
    recruiters will process those who say they are gay.

    "If they were to self-admit that they are gay and want to enlist, we
    will process them for enlistment, but will tell them that the legal
    situation could change," Smith said.

    He said the enlistment process takes time and recruiters have been
    told to inform those who are openly gay that they could be declared
    ineligible if the law is upheld on appeal.

    "U.S. Army Recruiting Command is going to follow the law, whatever the
    law is," he said.

    The message, however, had not reached some recruiting stations.

    In Pensacola, Marine Sgt. Timothy Chandler said he had been given no
    direction. "As far as we are concerned everything is the same. The
    policy hasn't changed," he said, as others in the office nodded.

    Chandler said no one had come to the small office questioning the
    policy or asking about being openly gay and serving.

    Recruiters at the Navy office next door referred all media questions
    to the Pentagon. Air Force recruiters said they were not authorized to
    talk to the media. Army recruiters referred questions to another
    office in Mobile, Ala.

    In New York's Times Square, Dan Choi, a 29-year-old Iraq War veteran
    who was discharged for being gay, began the process to enlist in the
    Army. In San Diego, recruiters took an application from Will
    Rodriguez, a former Marine who was discharged under the policy in
    2008.

    Phillips said at a hearing Monday that she was learning toward denying
    the Obama administration's request to delay her order. That would send
    the case to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco.

    After Phillips' ruling last week, Lopez — discharged from the Navy in
    2006 after admitting his gay status to his military doctor — walked
    into an Army recruiting office in Austin and asked if he could
    re-enlist.

    He said he was up front, even showing the recruiters his Navy
    discharge papers. But they told him he couldn't re-enlist because they
    had not gotten word from the Pentagon to allow openly gay recruits.

    Smith was unable to confirm the account. She said guidance on gay
    applicants had been issued to recruiting commands on Oct. 15.

    On Tuesday, upon hearing of the changes to recruiting, Lopez said,
    "Oh, my God! I've been waiting for this for four years."

    Lopez said he'll try again Friday and will go to a Navy recruiting
    office in Austin to see if he can enroll in ROTC as an officer. He is
    currently studying hospitality services at Austin Community College.

    "I'm hoping they'll let me in because I was able to switch over from
    an enlistment to an officer. I'm really hoping they can accept me," he
    said.

    ___

    Flaherty reported from Washington. Associated Press writers Kristin M.
    Hall in Nashville, Tenn., Lisa Leff in San Francisco, Melissa R.
    Nelson in Pensacola, Fla., and Brian Witte in Annapolis, Md.,
    contributed to this report.


    More:

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/10/19/us/AP-US-Gays-in-Military.html?hp
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