No homophobia Tommy, but its time for some true reality to set in here. The military is not a place for folks to have sex. They do....All Humans do, but the military is a place of discipline; of a chain of command and following orders. People are put in harms way. The military is not a place for homosexual liasons and love quests. It's just not.
The more that I think about it, and after looking at the studies, I am now opposed to lifting the ban on Gays in the military. I'm also opposed to Adultery, and Bigamy in the Army too, but these regulations are not under attack right now. http://dailycaller.com/2010/02/01/polls-show-service-members-oppose-gays-in-military-as-gates-and-mullen-prepare-to-testify-on-dont-ask-dont-tell/ On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > Homophobia is conduct unbecoming!!!! > > > On 10/19/10, dick <[email protected]> wrote: > > What happens to these people if the court finds against the judge's > > decision. Do these new military just get kicked out then? > > > > On 10/19/2010 08:03 PM, Keith In Tampa wrote: > >> This must be stopped, post haste. > >> Over 85 percent of our servicemen have made it clear that they do not > >> wish to serve with openly gay individuals. > >> We have a far left extremist judge, who on her own volition, has > >> decided to "modify/halt/make" military policy? > >> What is wrong with this picture? What in the Hell is wrong with our > >> Nation! > >> Wake Up America!! > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Tommy News <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> Military Recruiters Told to Accept Gays > >> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > >> Published: October 19, 2010 > >> Sign In to E-Mail > >> > >> Print > >> > >> Single Page > >> > >> Filed at 7:44 p.m. ET > >> > >> SAN DIEGO (AP) — The military is accepting openly gay recruits for > the > >> first time in the nation's history, even as it tries in the courts > to > >> slow the movement to abolish its "don't ask, don't tell" policy. > >> > >> At least two service members discharged for being gay began the > >> process to re-enlist after the Pentagon's Tuesday announcement. > >> > >> Meanwhile, a federal judge in California who overturned the 17-year > >> policy last week was likely to reject the government's latest effort > >> to halt her order telling the military to stop enforcing the law. > >> > >> The Justice Department will likely appeal if she does not suspend > >> her order. > >> > >> The Defense Department has said it would comply with U.S. District > >> Judge Virginia Phillips' order and had frozen any discharge cases. > >> Pentagon spokeswoman Cynthia Smith said recruiters had been given > >> top-level guidance to accept applicants who say they are gay. > >> > >> Recruiters also have been told to inform potential recruits that the > >> moratorium on enforcement of the policy could be reversed at any > time, > >> if the ruling is appealed or the court grants a stay, she said. > >> > >> Gay rights groups were continuing to tell service members to avoid > >> revealing that they are gay, fearing they could find themselves in > >> trouble should the law be reinstated. > >> > >> "What people aren't really getting is that the discretion and > caution > >> that gay troops are showing now is exactly the same standard of > >> conduct that they will adhere to when the ban is lifted > permanently," > >> said Aaron Belkin, executive director of the Palm Center, a think > tank > >> on gays and the military at the University of California Santa > >> Barbara. "Yes, a few will try to become celebrities." > >> > >> An Air Force officer and co-founder of a gay service member support > >> group called OutServe said financial considerations are playing a > big > >> role in gay service members staying quiet. > >> > >> "The military has financially trapped us," he said, noting that he > >> could owe the military about $200,000 if he were to be dismissed. > >> > >> The officer, who asked not to be identified for fear of being > >> discharged, said he's hearing increasingly about heterosexual > service > >> members approaching gay colleagues and telling them they can come > out > >> now. > >> > >> He also said more gay service members are coming out to their peers > >> who are friends, while keeping their orientation secret from > >> leadership. He said he has come out to two peers in the last few > days. > >> > >> "People are coming out informally in their units," the officer said. > >> "Discussions are happening right now." > >> > >> An opponent of the judge's ruling said confusion that has come up is > >> exactly what Pentagon officials feared and shows the need for her to > >> immediately freeze her order while the government appeals. > >> > >> "It's only logical that a stay should be granted to avoid the > >> confusion that is already occurring with reports that the Pentagon > is > >> telling recruiters to begin accepting homosexual applicants," said > >> Tony Perkins, the president of the Family Research Council, a > >> conservative advocacy group based in Washington that supports the > >> policy. > >> > >> The uncertain status of the law has caused much confusion within an > >> institution that has historically discriminated against gays. > >> > >> Before the 1993 law, the military banned gays entirely and declared > >> them incompatible with military service. There have been instances > in > >> which gays have served, with the knowledge of their colleagues. > >> > >> Twenty-nine nations, including Israel, Canada, Germany and Sweden, > >> allow openly gay troops, according to the Log Cabin Republicans, a > gay > >> rights group and plaintiff in the lawsuit before Phillips. > >> > >> The Pentagon guidance to recruiters comes after Dan Woods, the > group's > >> attorney, sent a letter last week warning the Justice Department > that > >> Army recruiters who turned away Omar Lopez in Austin, Texas may have > >> caused the government to violate Phillips' injunction. Woods wrote > >> that the government could be subject to a citation for contempt. > >> > >> The White House has insisted their actions in court do not diminish > >> President Barack Obama's efforts to repeal the ban. > >> > >> In their stay request, government lawyers argue Phillips' order > would > >> be disruptive to troops serving at a time of war. They say the > >> military needs time to prepare new regulations and train and educate > >> service members about the change. > >> > >> Phillips has said her order does not prohibit the Pentagon from > >> implementing those measures. > >> > >> Douglas Smith, spokesman for U.S. Army Recruiting Command based at > >> Fort Knox, Ky., said even before the ruling recruiters did not ask > >> applicants about their sexual orientation. The difference now is > that > >> recruiters will process those who say they are gay. > >> > >> "If they were to self-admit that they are gay and want to enlist, we > >> will process them for enlistment, but will tell them that the legal > >> situation could change," Smith said. > >> > >> He said the enlistment process takes time and recruiters have been > >> told to inform those who are openly gay that they could be declared > >> ineligible if the law is upheld on appeal. > >> > >> "U.S. Army Recruiting Command is going to follow the law, whatever > the > >> law is," he said. > >> > >> The message, however, had not reached some recruiting stations. > >> > >> In Pensacola, Marine Sgt. Timothy Chandler said he had been given no > >> direction. "As far as we are concerned everything is the same. The > >> policy hasn't changed," he said, as others in the office nodded. > >> > >> Chandler said no one had come to the small office questioning the > >> policy or asking about being openly gay and serving. > >> > >> Recruiters at the Navy office next door referred all media questions > >> to the Pentagon. Air Force recruiters said they were not authorized > to > >> talk to the media. Army recruiters referred questions to another > >> office in Mobile, Ala. > >> > >> In New York's Times Square, Dan Choi, a 29-year-old Iraq War veteran > >> who was discharged for being gay, began the process to enlist in the > >> Army. In San Diego, recruiters took an application from Will > >> Rodriguez, a former Marine who was discharged under the policy in > >> 2008. > >> > >> Phillips said at a hearing Monday that she was learning toward > denying > >> the Obama administration's request to delay her order. That would > send > >> the case to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco. > >> > >> After Phillips' ruling last week, Lopez — discharged from the Navy > in > >> 2006 after admitting his gay status to his military doctor — walked > >> into an Army recruiting office in Austin and asked if he could > >> re-enlist. > >> > >> He said he was up front, even showing the recruiters his Navy > >> discharge papers. But they told him he couldn't re-enlist because > they > >> had not gotten word from the Pentagon to allow openly gay recruits. > >> > >> Smith was unable to confirm the account. She said guidance on gay > >> applicants had been issued to recruiting commands on Oct. 15. > >> > >> On Tuesday, upon hearing of the changes to recruiting, Lopez said, > >> "Oh, my God! I've been waiting for this for four years." > >> > >> Lopez said he'll try again Friday and will go to a Navy recruiting > >> office in Austin to see if he can enroll in ROTC as an officer. He > is > >> currently studying hospitality services at Austin Community College. > >> > >> "I'm hoping they'll let me in because I was able to switch over from > >> an enlistment to an officer. I'm really hoping they can accept me," > he > >> said. > >> > >> ___ > >> > >> Flaherty reported from Washington. Associated Press writers Kristin > M. > >> Hall in Nashville, Tenn., Lisa Leff in San Francisco, Melissa R. > >> Nelson in Pensacola, Fla., and Brian Witte in Annapolis, Md., > >> contributed to this report. > >> > >> > >> More: > >> > >> > >> > http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/10/19/us/AP-US-Gays-in-Military.html?hp > >> -- > >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > >> Have a great day, > >> Tommy > >> > >> -- > >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >> For options & help see > http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >> > >> * Visit our other community at > >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> > >> <http://www.politicalforum.com/> > >> * It's active and moderated. 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