I stand by it. On 10/19/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > I take offense to that. > > > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Being gay and having sex are two different things. >> >> Discrimination and animus against gays is homophobia. >> >> You are homophobic. >> >> On 10/19/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >> > No homophobia Tommy, but its time for some true reality to set in here. >> > The military is not a place for folks to have sex. They do....All >> > Humans >> > do, but the military is a place of discipline; of a chain of command and >> > following orders. People are put in harms way. The military is not a >> > place for homosexual liasons and love quests. It's just not. >> > >> > The more that I think about it, and after looking at the studies, I am >> now >> > opposed to lifting the ban on Gays in the military. I'm also opposed to >> > Adultery, and Bigamy in the Army too, but these regulations are not >> > under >> > attack right now. >> > >> > >> http://dailycaller.com/2010/02/01/polls-show-service-members-oppose-gays-in-military-as-gates-and-mullen-prepare-to-testify-on-dont-ask-dont-tell/ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Homophobia is conduct unbecoming!!!! >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/19/10, dick <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > What happens to these people if the court finds against the judge's >> >> > decision. Do these new military just get kicked out then? >> >> > >> >> > On 10/19/2010 08:03 PM, Keith In Tampa wrote: >> >> >> This must be stopped, post haste. >> >> >> Over 85 percent of our servicemen have made it clear that they do >> >> >> not >> >> >> wish to serve with openly gay individuals. >> >> >> We have a far left extremist judge, who on her own volition, has >> >> >> decided to "modify/halt/make" military policy? >> >> >> What is wrong with this picture? What in the Hell is wrong with our >> >> >> Nation! >> >> >> Wake Up America!! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Tommy News <[email protected] >> >> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Military Recruiters Told to Accept Gays >> >> >> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS >> >> >> Published: October 19, 2010 >> >> >> Sign In to E-Mail >> >> >> >> >> >> Print >> >> >> >> >> >> Single Page >> >> >> >> >> >> Filed at 7:44 p.m. ET >> >> >> >> >> >> SAN DIEGO (AP) — The military is accepting openly gay recruits >> for >> >> the >> >> >> first time in the nation's history, even as it tries in the >> courts >> >> to >> >> >> slow the movement to abolish its "don't ask, don't tell" policy. >> >> >> >> >> >> At least two service members discharged for being gay began the >> >> >> process to re-enlist after the Pentagon's Tuesday announcement. >> >> >> >> >> >> Meanwhile, a federal judge in California who overturned the >> 17-year >> >> >> policy last week was likely to reject the government's latest >> >> >> effort >> >> >> to halt her order telling the military to stop enforcing the >> >> >> law. >> >> >> >> >> >> The Justice Department will likely appeal if she does not >> >> >> suspend >> >> >> her order. >> >> >> >> >> >> The Defense Department has said it would comply with U.S. >> District >> >> >> Judge Virginia Phillips' order and had frozen any discharge >> cases. >> >> >> Pentagon spokeswoman Cynthia Smith said recruiters had been >> >> >> given >> >> >> top-level guidance to accept applicants who say they are gay. >> >> >> >> >> >> Recruiters also have been told to inform potential recruits that >> >> >> the >> >> >> moratorium on enforcement of the policy could be reversed at any >> >> time, >> >> >> if the ruling is appealed or the court grants a stay, she said. >> >> >> >> >> >> Gay rights groups were continuing to tell service members to >> avoid >> >> >> revealing that they are gay, fearing they could find themselves >> in >> >> >> trouble should the law be reinstated. >> >> >> >> >> >> "What people aren't really getting is that the discretion and >> >> caution >> >> >> that gay troops are showing now is exactly the same standard of >> >> >> conduct that they will adhere to when the ban is lifted >> >> permanently," >> >> >> said Aaron Belkin, executive director of the Palm Center, a >> >> >> think >> >> tank >> >> >> on gays and the military at the University of California Santa >> >> >> Barbara. "Yes, a few will try to become celebrities." >> >> >> >> >> >> An Air Force officer and co-founder of a gay service member >> support >> >> >> group called OutServe said financial considerations are playing >> >> >> a >> >> big >> >> >> role in gay service members staying quiet. >> >> >> >> >> >> "The military has financially trapped us," he said, noting that >> he >> >> >> could owe the military about $200,000 if he were to be >> >> >> dismissed. >> >> >> >> >> >> The officer, who asked not to be identified for fear of being >> >> >> discharged, said he's hearing increasingly about heterosexual >> >> service >> >> >> members approaching gay colleagues and telling them they can >> >> >> come >> >> out >> >> >> now. >> >> >> >> >> >> He also said more gay service members are coming out to their >> peers >> >> >> who are friends, while keeping their orientation secret from >> >> >> leadership. He said he has come out to two peers in the last few >> >> days. >> >> >> >> >> >> "People are coming out informally in their units," the officer >> >> >> said. >> >> >> "Discussions are happening right now." >> >> >> >> >> >> An opponent of the judge's ruling said confusion that has come >> >> >> up >> >> >> is >> >> >> exactly what Pentagon officials feared and shows the need for >> >> >> her >> >> >> to >> >> >> immediately freeze her order while the government appeals. >> >> >> >> >> >> "It's only logical that a stay should be granted to avoid the >> >> >> confusion that is already occurring with reports that the >> Pentagon >> >> is >> >> >> telling recruiters to begin accepting homosexual applicants," >> said >> >> >> Tony Perkins, the president of the Family Research Council, a >> >> >> conservative advocacy group based in Washington that supports >> >> >> the >> >> >> policy. >> >> >> >> >> >> The uncertain status of the law has caused much confusion within >> an >> >> >> institution that has historically discriminated against gays. >> >> >> >> >> >> Before the 1993 law, the military banned gays entirely and >> declared >> >> >> them incompatible with military service. There have been >> instances >> >> in >> >> >> which gays have served, with the knowledge of their colleagues. >> >> >> >> >> >> Twenty-nine nations, including Israel, Canada, Germany and >> Sweden, >> >> >> allow openly gay troops, according to the Log Cabin Republicans, >> a >> >> gay >> >> >> rights group and plaintiff in the lawsuit before Phillips. >> >> >> >> >> >> The Pentagon guidance to recruiters comes after Dan Woods, the >> >> group's >> >> >> attorney, sent a letter last week warning the Justice Department >> >> that >> >> >> Army recruiters who turned away Omar Lopez in Austin, Texas may >> >> >> have >> >> >> caused the government to violate Phillips' injunction. Woods >> wrote >> >> >> that the government could be subject to a citation for contempt. >> >> >> >> >> >> The White House has insisted their actions in court do not >> diminish >> >> >> President Barack Obama's efforts to repeal the ban. >> >> >> >> >> >> In their stay request, government lawyers argue Phillips' order >> >> would >> >> >> be disruptive to troops serving at a time of war. They say the >> >> >> military needs time to prepare new regulations and train and >> >> >> educate >> >> >> service members about the change. >> >> >> >> >> >> Phillips has said her order does not prohibit the Pentagon from >> >> >> implementing those measures. >> >> >> >> >> >> Douglas Smith, spokesman for U.S. Army Recruiting Command based >> at >> >> >> Fort Knox, Ky., said even before the ruling recruiters did not >> ask >> >> >> applicants about their sexual orientation. The difference now is >> >> that >> >> >> recruiters will process those who say they are gay. >> >> >> >> >> >> "If they were to self-admit that they are gay and want to >> >> >> enlist, >> >> >> we >> >> >> will process them for enlistment, but will tell them that the >> legal >> >> >> situation could change," Smith said. >> >> >> >> >> >> He said the enlistment process takes time and recruiters have >> been >> >> >> told to inform those who are openly gay that they could be >> declared >> >> >> ineligible if the law is upheld on appeal. >> >> >> >> >> >> "U.S. Army Recruiting Command is going to follow the law, >> whatever >> >> the >> >> >> law is," he said. >> >> >> >> >> >> The message, however, had not reached some recruiting stations. >> >> >> >> >> >> In Pensacola, Marine Sgt. Timothy Chandler said he had been >> >> >> given >> >> >> no >> >> >> direction. "As far as we are concerned everything is the same. >> The >> >> >> policy hasn't changed," he said, as others in the office nodded. >> >> >> >> >> >> Chandler said no one had come to the small office questioning >> >> >> the >> >> >> policy or asking about being openly gay and serving. >> >> >> >> >> >> Recruiters at the Navy office next door referred all media >> >> >> questions >> >> >> to the Pentagon. Air Force recruiters said they were not >> authorized >> >> to >> >> >> talk to the media. Army recruiters referred questions to another >> >> >> office in Mobile, Ala. >> >> >> >> >> >> In New York's Times Square, Dan Choi, a 29-year-old Iraq War >> >> >> veteran >> >> >> who was discharged for being gay, began the process to enlist in >> >> >> the >> >> >> Army. In San Diego, recruiters took an application from Will >> >> >> Rodriguez, a former Marine who was discharged under the policy >> >> >> in >> >> >> 2008. >> >> >> >> >> >> Phillips said at a hearing Monday that she was learning toward >> >> denying >> >> >> the Obama administration's request to delay her order. That >> >> >> would >> >> send >> >> >> the case to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco. >> >> >> >> >> >> After Phillips' ruling last week, Lopez — discharged from the >> Navy >> >> in >> >> >> 2006 after admitting his gay status to his military doctor — >> walked >> >> >> into an Army recruiting office in Austin and asked if he could >> >> >> re-enlist. >> >> >> >> >> >> He said he was up front, even showing the recruiters his Navy >> >> >> discharge papers. But they told him he couldn't re-enlist >> >> >> because >> >> they >> >> >> had not gotten word from the Pentagon to allow openly gay >> recruits. >> >> >> >> >> >> Smith was unable to confirm the account. She said guidance on >> >> >> gay >> >> >> applicants had been issued to recruiting commands on Oct. 15. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, upon hearing of the changes to recruiting, Lopez >> said, >> >> >> "Oh, my God! I've been waiting for this for four years." >> >> >> >> >> >> Lopez said he'll try again Friday and will go to a Navy >> recruiting >> >> >> office in Austin to see if he can enroll in ROTC as an officer. >> He >> >> is >> >> >> currently studying hospitality services at Austin Community >> >> >> College. >> >> >> >> >> >> "I'm hoping they'll let me in because I was able to switch over >> >> >> from >> >> >> an enlistment to an officer. I'm really hoping they can accept >> me," >> >> he >> >> >> said. >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> >> >> >> Flaherty reported from Washington. Associated Press writers >> Kristin >> >> M. >> >> >> Hall in Nashville, Tenn., Lisa Leff in San Francisco, Melissa R. >> >> >> Nelson in Pensacola, Fla., and Brian Witte in Annapolis, Md., >> >> >> contributed to this report. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> More: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/10/19/us/AP-US-Gays-in-Military.html?hp >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >> >> >> Have a great day, >> >> >> Tommy >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> >> >> For options & help see >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> >> >> >> >> * Visit our other community at >> >> >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ <http://www.politicalforum.com/>< >> http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> >> >> <http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> >> >> * It's active and moderated. 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