I take offense to that.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > Being gay and having sex are two different things. > > Discrimination and animus against gays is homophobia. > > You are homophobic. > > On 10/19/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > No homophobia Tommy, but its time for some true reality to set in here. > > The military is not a place for folks to have sex. They do....All Humans > > do, but the military is a place of discipline; of a chain of command and > > following orders. People are put in harms way. The military is not a > > place for homosexual liasons and love quests. It's just not. > > > > The more that I think about it, and after looking at the studies, I am > now > > opposed to lifting the ban on Gays in the military. I'm also opposed to > > Adultery, and Bigamy in the Army too, but these regulations are not under > > attack right now. > > > > > http://dailycaller.com/2010/02/01/polls-show-service-members-oppose-gays-in-military-as-gates-and-mullen-prepare-to-testify-on-dont-ask-dont-tell/ > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Homophobia is conduct unbecoming!!!! > >> > >> > >> On 10/19/10, dick <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > What happens to these people if the court finds against the judge's > >> > decision. Do these new military just get kicked out then? > >> > > >> > On 10/19/2010 08:03 PM, Keith In Tampa wrote: > >> >> This must be stopped, post haste. > >> >> Over 85 percent of our servicemen have made it clear that they do not > >> >> wish to serve with openly gay individuals. > >> >> We have a far left extremist judge, who on her own volition, has > >> >> decided to "modify/halt/make" military policy? > >> >> What is wrong with this picture? What in the Hell is wrong with our > >> >> Nation! > >> >> Wake Up America!! > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Tommy News <[email protected] > >> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Military Recruiters Told to Accept Gays > >> >> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > >> >> Published: October 19, 2010 > >> >> Sign In to E-Mail > >> >> > >> >> Print > >> >> > >> >> Single Page > >> >> > >> >> Filed at 7:44 p.m. ET > >> >> > >> >> SAN DIEGO (AP) — The military is accepting openly gay recruits > for > >> the > >> >> first time in the nation's history, even as it tries in the > courts > >> to > >> >> slow the movement to abolish its "don't ask, don't tell" policy. > >> >> > >> >> At least two service members discharged for being gay began the > >> >> process to re-enlist after the Pentagon's Tuesday announcement. > >> >> > >> >> Meanwhile, a federal judge in California who overturned the > 17-year > >> >> policy last week was likely to reject the government's latest > >> >> effort > >> >> to halt her order telling the military to stop enforcing the law. > >> >> > >> >> The Justice Department will likely appeal if she does not suspend > >> >> her order. > >> >> > >> >> The Defense Department has said it would comply with U.S. > District > >> >> Judge Virginia Phillips' order and had frozen any discharge > cases. > >> >> Pentagon spokeswoman Cynthia Smith said recruiters had been given > >> >> top-level guidance to accept applicants who say they are gay. > >> >> > >> >> Recruiters also have been told to inform potential recruits that > >> >> the > >> >> moratorium on enforcement of the policy could be reversed at any > >> time, > >> >> if the ruling is appealed or the court grants a stay, she said. > >> >> > >> >> Gay rights groups were continuing to tell service members to > avoid > >> >> revealing that they are gay, fearing they could find themselves > in > >> >> trouble should the law be reinstated. > >> >> > >> >> "What people aren't really getting is that the discretion and > >> caution > >> >> that gay troops are showing now is exactly the same standard of > >> >> conduct that they will adhere to when the ban is lifted > >> permanently," > >> >> said Aaron Belkin, executive director of the Palm Center, a think > >> tank > >> >> on gays and the military at the University of California Santa > >> >> Barbara. "Yes, a few will try to become celebrities." > >> >> > >> >> An Air Force officer and co-founder of a gay service member > support > >> >> group called OutServe said financial considerations are playing a > >> big > >> >> role in gay service members staying quiet. > >> >> > >> >> "The military has financially trapped us," he said, noting that > he > >> >> could owe the military about $200,000 if he were to be dismissed. > >> >> > >> >> The officer, who asked not to be identified for fear of being > >> >> discharged, said he's hearing increasingly about heterosexual > >> service > >> >> members approaching gay colleagues and telling them they can come > >> out > >> >> now. > >> >> > >> >> He also said more gay service members are coming out to their > peers > >> >> who are friends, while keeping their orientation secret from > >> >> leadership. He said he has come out to two peers in the last few > >> days. > >> >> > >> >> "People are coming out informally in their units," the officer > >> >> said. > >> >> "Discussions are happening right now." > >> >> > >> >> An opponent of the judge's ruling said confusion that has come up > >> >> is > >> >> exactly what Pentagon officials feared and shows the need for her > >> >> to > >> >> immediately freeze her order while the government appeals. > >> >> > >> >> "It's only logical that a stay should be granted to avoid the > >> >> confusion that is already occurring with reports that the > Pentagon > >> is > >> >> telling recruiters to begin accepting homosexual applicants," > said > >> >> Tony Perkins, the president of the Family Research Council, a > >> >> conservative advocacy group based in Washington that supports the > >> >> policy. > >> >> > >> >> The uncertain status of the law has caused much confusion within > an > >> >> institution that has historically discriminated against gays. > >> >> > >> >> Before the 1993 law, the military banned gays entirely and > declared > >> >> them incompatible with military service. There have been > instances > >> in > >> >> which gays have served, with the knowledge of their colleagues. > >> >> > >> >> Twenty-nine nations, including Israel, Canada, Germany and > Sweden, > >> >> allow openly gay troops, according to the Log Cabin Republicans, > a > >> gay > >> >> rights group and plaintiff in the lawsuit before Phillips. > >> >> > >> >> The Pentagon guidance to recruiters comes after Dan Woods, the > >> group's > >> >> attorney, sent a letter last week warning the Justice Department > >> that > >> >> Army recruiters who turned away Omar Lopez in Austin, Texas may > >> >> have > >> >> caused the government to violate Phillips' injunction. Woods > wrote > >> >> that the government could be subject to a citation for contempt. > >> >> > >> >> The White House has insisted their actions in court do not > diminish > >> >> President Barack Obama's efforts to repeal the ban. > >> >> > >> >> In their stay request, government lawyers argue Phillips' order > >> would > >> >> be disruptive to troops serving at a time of war. They say the > >> >> military needs time to prepare new regulations and train and > >> >> educate > >> >> service members about the change. > >> >> > >> >> Phillips has said her order does not prohibit the Pentagon from > >> >> implementing those measures. > >> >> > >> >> Douglas Smith, spokesman for U.S. Army Recruiting Command based > at > >> >> Fort Knox, Ky., said even before the ruling recruiters did not > ask > >> >> applicants about their sexual orientation. The difference now is > >> that > >> >> recruiters will process those who say they are gay. > >> >> > >> >> "If they were to self-admit that they are gay and want to enlist, > >> >> we > >> >> will process them for enlistment, but will tell them that the > legal > >> >> situation could change," Smith said. > >> >> > >> >> He said the enlistment process takes time and recruiters have > been > >> >> told to inform those who are openly gay that they could be > declared > >> >> ineligible if the law is upheld on appeal. > >> >> > >> >> "U.S. Army Recruiting Command is going to follow the law, > whatever > >> the > >> >> law is," he said. > >> >> > >> >> The message, however, had not reached some recruiting stations. > >> >> > >> >> In Pensacola, Marine Sgt. Timothy Chandler said he had been given > >> >> no > >> >> direction. "As far as we are concerned everything is the same. > The > >> >> policy hasn't changed," he said, as others in the office nodded. > >> >> > >> >> Chandler said no one had come to the small office questioning the > >> >> policy or asking about being openly gay and serving. > >> >> > >> >> Recruiters at the Navy office next door referred all media > >> >> questions > >> >> to the Pentagon. Air Force recruiters said they were not > authorized > >> to > >> >> talk to the media. Army recruiters referred questions to another > >> >> office in Mobile, Ala. > >> >> > >> >> In New York's Times Square, Dan Choi, a 29-year-old Iraq War > >> >> veteran > >> >> who was discharged for being gay, began the process to enlist in > >> >> the > >> >> Army. In San Diego, recruiters took an application from Will > >> >> Rodriguez, a former Marine who was discharged under the policy in > >> >> 2008. > >> >> > >> >> Phillips said at a hearing Monday that she was learning toward > >> denying > >> >> the Obama administration's request to delay her order. That would > >> send > >> >> the case to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco. > >> >> > >> >> After Phillips' ruling last week, Lopez — discharged from the > Navy > >> in > >> >> 2006 after admitting his gay status to his military doctor — > walked > >> >> into an Army recruiting office in Austin and asked if he could > >> >> re-enlist. > >> >> > >> >> He said he was up front, even showing the recruiters his Navy > >> >> discharge papers. But they told him he couldn't re-enlist because > >> they > >> >> had not gotten word from the Pentagon to allow openly gay > recruits. > >> >> > >> >> Smith was unable to confirm the account. She said guidance on gay > >> >> applicants had been issued to recruiting commands on Oct. 15. > >> >> > >> >> On Tuesday, upon hearing of the changes to recruiting, Lopez > said, > >> >> "Oh, my God! I've been waiting for this for four years." > >> >> > >> >> Lopez said he'll try again Friday and will go to a Navy > recruiting > >> >> office in Austin to see if he can enroll in ROTC as an officer. > He > >> is > >> >> currently studying hospitality services at Austin Community > >> >> College. > >> >> > >> >> "I'm hoping they'll let me in because I was able to switch over > >> >> from > >> >> an enlistment to an officer. I'm really hoping they can accept > me," > >> he > >> >> said. > >> >> > >> >> ___ > >> >> > >> >> Flaherty reported from Washington. Associated Press writers > Kristin > >> M. > >> >> Hall in Nashville, Tenn., Lisa Leff in San Francisco, Melissa R. > >> >> Nelson in Pensacola, Fla., and Brian Witte in Annapolis, Md., > >> >> contributed to this report. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> More: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/10/19/us/AP-US-Gays-in-Military.html?hp > >> >> -- > >> >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > >> >> Have a great day, > >> >> Tommy > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >> >> For options & help see > >> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >> >> > >> >> * Visit our other community at > >> >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ <http://www.politicalforum.com/>< > http://www.politicalforum.com/> > >> >> <http://www.politicalforum.com/> > >> >> * It's active and moderated. 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