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On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 7:41 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > Article III deals with the JUDICIARY. > > There you go again with that silliness about 'illegals'. > Citizens relate (re: US Constitution) SPECIFICALLY as denoted. > > Items like -- for example -- Amendment IV (for simplicity) > > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, > papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, > shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon > probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly > describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to > be seized. > > restrict the GOVERNMENT from action against PEOPLE -- regardless of > whether they are Citizens, Visitors, have the Government's unconstitutional > permission, etc. It plainly LIMITS the Feds from doing as stated. > > Naturalization (or naturalisation), of course, is the acquisition of > citizenship and nationality by somebody who was not a citizen or > national of that country when he or she was born. > Naturalization has NOTHING to do with entering/exiting. > > There was no claim that Citizens were something else. > > Regard$, > --MJ > > I was about to say that I'd hate to live in a country > where the law could mean whatever its rulers said > it meant, when it occurred to me that I already do. > -- Joseph Sobran > > > > > At 01:28 PM 10/29/2010, you wrote: > > Art. III referenced the Constitution and treaties, but was changed by the > XI amendment. Citizens do not refer to illegals that roam onto U.S. soil > and do not become naturalized. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MJ" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 1:14:13 PM > Subject: Re: Tea party antics could end up burning Republicans > > > This is becoming silly. Have you actually READ the Constitution? > > Occurrences of 'Citizen' > > In Article III (describing JURISDICTION for the supreme Court): > > between a State and Citizens of another State; -- between Citizens > of different States; -- between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands > > under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens > thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects. > > In Article IV (ensuring reciprocity between States): > > The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges > and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. > > Amendment XI (more jurisdiction): > > The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend > to > any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the > United > States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any > Foreign State. > > Dubiously Ratified Amendment XIV (aiding Lincoln's illusion): > > All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and > subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States > and > of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law > which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the > United > States; > > Amendment XV (preventing voting disqualification by group): > > The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be > denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of > race, color, or previous condition of servitude. > > Amendment XIX (preventing voting disqualification by group)" > > The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or > abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. > > Amendment XIV (preventing voting disqualification by group): > > The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any > primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors > for > President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in > Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any > State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax. > > Amendment XXVI (preventing voting disqualification by group): > > The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen > years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the > United States or by any State on account of age. > > > The Constitution, of course, CREATED and LIMITS the Government it created. > > > STILL do not know what the Bible has to do with anything. > > Regard$, > --MJ > > The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government > are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are > numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on > external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with > which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The > powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, > in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and > properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and > prosperity of the State. -- James Madison, Federalist Papers > > > > At 12:53 PM 10/29/2010, you wrote: > Look at Romans 1:26-27. Also the Constitution and the amendments refer > to citizens. Citizens are all persons born or naturalized in the U.S. and > subject to the jurisdiction therein. Clearly it does not apply to illegals. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MJ" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:01:43 PM > Subject: Re: Tea party antics could end up burning Republicans > > > THIS does not answer the request. > Someone will need to explain this silliness about 'legal' and 'illegal' > immigrants. The US Constitution provides no power whatsoever for the Feds > to extend or withhold permission for entry (or exit) into any of the > Sovereign States. Besides, 'migration' is a natural right. > Additionally, rights are inherent in Man's being -- not permissions as you > imply. > Not certain WHAT the Bible may have to do with anything. > > As an aside, do you have any problem/difficulty with the THEFT and SLAVERY > promoted by both the Ds and Rs? > > Regard$, > --MJ > > "Under the law of nature, all men are born free, every one comes into the > world with a right to his own person, which includes the liberty of moving > and using it at his own will. This is what is called personal liberty, and > is given him by the Author of nature, because necessary for his own > sustenance." --Thomas Jefferson > > > At 11:42 AM 10/29/2010, you wrote: What rights do immigrants have unless > they are legal? In reference to the Bible have you read the verses on > homosexuality? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "MJ" <[email protected]> To: > [email protected] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 11:24:30 AM > Subject: Re: Tea party antics could end up burning Republicans > > Can you POINT me to a 'platform' or similar that suggests such? Thanks in > advance. > Regard$, --MJ > "Any man can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his error. " -- > Marcus Tullius Cicero > > > At 09:18 AM 10/29/2010, you wrote: >But it seems obvious that the biggest > reason to vote Democrat is to >take one good look at the crazies in the > Grand Opressive Tea Party and >what they will do to oppresss LGBT people, > as well as a whole slew of >demographic minority groups, including > immigrants, Latinos, >African-Americans and women who have been raped or > victims of incest. >If you don't vote for the Democrats, you are opening > the door for >bigoted hateful theocrats like the Fred Phelps Wesboro > "Church" who >totally ignore Jesus' actual message of love, acceptance and > inclusion >and fail to know what their Bible really says. >The Republican > Agenda is anti-American. Their number one priority is >to obstruct and > make The President of The United States fail. Welcome >to the Recorporate > Party of Greed. > > -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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