Perplexed has it right... if he cuts and runs as an independent Obama will win... he has 15% of the vote in his pocket.
On Dec 31, 7:35 am, Perplexed <[email protected]> wrote: > Keith, I agree with you that a lot of his views are those of a > crackpot. But I noticed yesterday watching some discussion on one of > the Fox News shows that the pundits are being downright stupid in how > they are stepping up the talking points of "he's not electable". To > say he couldn't win in a general election is likely very true, but > that's not what they were doing. The person actually referred to his > candidacy as a "joke". > > Personally I think that kind of nonsense will backfire and encourage > Paul to run as an independent and republicans can kiss any chance of > defeating Obama good-bye. These ignorant assholes who make up the > "GOP establishment" and their mouthpieces in the media are apparently > too stupid to realize they should be respectful and leave room to > encourage Paul to join whoever the eventual nominee is - because > without him AND his supporters voting for whoever that is, republicans > stand no chance of winning, and that's just a fact. > > On Dec 31, 12:49 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:00 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Posted on Thu, Dec. 29, 2011 > > > *GOP Establishment wrong to ‘disenfranchise’ Ron Paul supporters > > > *BY COLIN MCINTOSH > > > > Don’t tread on me. > > > > Recently, something’s been amiss in the mainstream media when discussing > > > Ron Paul’s candidacy. As the Texas congressman’s support has surged to 15 > > > percent nationally in the latest Washington Post poll, the “Very Serious > > > Republicans” who write columns and give their opinions on TV and radio > > > shows have changed their tune. They aren’t as confident, as cocky or as > > > arrogant as they used to be when predicting the 2012 presidential > > > election. > > > > Now, they sound scared; they sound nervous; they sound shaken. But most > > > important, they sound resolute that they, and not their audience, > > > represent > > > the opinions of mainstream America. They are wrong, and their gamble will > > > be costly. > > > > In the absence of facts to support the Establishment candidates, the media > > > have turned to personal insults, childish mockery, and deliberate > > > misinterpretation of Dr. Paul’s lessons. Their goal, quite shamefully, is > > > to convince Ron Paul supporters that the candidate that they believe in > > > has > > > no chance of winning the nomination, let alone the general election. Here > > > are some recent headlines from around the web: “Huckabee slams Ron Paul, > > > says he has ‘no chance’ to win Republican nomination” The Hill “Ron Paul > > > can’t be allowed to win Iowa” Daily Caller “Why Ron Paul Can’t Win” > > > Wall Street Journal “If Ron Paul wins Iowa, does that make the state > > > irrelevant?” Christian Science Monitor > > > > This type of overt pressure from our media to change your vote because > > > “your candidate can’t win” constitutes a form of disenfranchisement. > > > Despite Paul’s rise to the front of the pack in Iowa, the media still > > > ignore that his national support from Republicans has risen from 9 percent > > > to 15 percent in a month (Washington Post/ABC poll, Dec. 18). They refuse > > > to report the fact that he would lose only by 49-44 in a hypothetical race > > > against Obama, down from 52-42 just one month ago. > > > > They will never tell us that 21 percent of Americans polled chose to vote > > > for Ron Paul as a third party candidate over the hypothetical choices of > > > President Obama or Romney/Gingrich. > > > > This last statistic leads me to my main point: if the GOP nominates anyone > > > besides Ron Paul, Barack Obama will win the 2012 election. > > > > Why? > > > > Currently, Establishment Republicans are issuing an obvious warning to > > > Paul’s base: vote for Romney, or the Democrats will win in November. > > > Clearly, they hope this ominous bit of advice also reaches the millions of > > > Americans who are still learning about Ron Paul’s views. Well, Dr. Paul’s > > > supporters have a retort: we don’t give a damn. > > > > There are worse things than having a Democrat in the White House, and > > > disenfranchisement is among them. We will not vote for whom we are told. > > > We > > > will not vote for a candidate who espouses a policy of preemptive war. We > > > will not vote for the continuation of a flawed, costly, discriminatory > > > drug > > > war. We will not vote for the circumnavigation of the U.S. Constitution. > > > We > > > will not vote for a candidate (Romney) who has received just 10 percent of > > > his campaign donations from actual people (from opensecrets.org). And we > > > will not feel remorse for a Republican Party that has abandoned us. > > > > I am a registered Republican, but when I listen to my so-called party > > > leaders, I become infuriated and despondent. When did preemptive war > > > become > > > our national defense? When did the desire to police the world become so > > > mainstream that we forgot that our nation was birthed from a repugnance to > > > imperialism? When did we concede that the federal government has the right > > > to regulate our lives to the point of quiet despotism? > > > > And most important, when did we become convinced that our votes and voices > > > only matter if we support the perceived frontrunner? > > > > As an advocate of liberty, I will vote on principle over party, every > > > time. If the Republican Party took the time to educate its members on the > > > issues, rather than simply bullying them into submission, their party > > > wouldn’t be so splintered right now, and perhaps Dr. Paul would have a > > > unified force behind him heading into November. Instead, GOP leaders seem > > > committed to promoting the status quo, to increasing their own power and > > > influence, and to keeping the support of moneyed interests. > > > > If the GOP Establishment is successful in convincing Republicans to > > > nominate Romney instead of Paul, and Paul does indeed run as an > > > independent, Obama will win with 45 percent of the vote, and the GOP will > > > have no one to blame but themselves. > > > > Colin McIntosh, a resident of Fort Lauderdale and graduate of St. Thomas > > > Aquinas High School, is a senior at Emory University in Atlanta and will > > > graduate this spring with bachelor degrees in economics and business > > > administration. > > > >http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/12/29/2566016/gop-establishment-wrong... > > > > -- > > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > > > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > > > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > > > * It's active and moderated. 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