I would agree that Paul has been influential.....All of the Republicans are now calling for an audit of the Federal Reserve, and we do have Ron Paul to thank for this.
I too agree with Paul's call for limited government....Something that sounds very Reaganesque. With a trillion dollar deficit, I do believe that the next Administration (providing it is Republican) "Get's It"...... On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > The big difference that I can see between the candidates is > that Paul's positions and "transgressions" are indeed and actually > factually defensible.... It is kind of like you and I being held > responsible for what is posted here. Yes, I know that those three sentences > that were written in the "first person" and attributed to Paul are > horrendous...but then are they really untrue or just said in a bad way?? > > These are not, at least to me, disqualifying statements even if they are > his actual feelings. > > His stance on a return to constitutionality is extremely important to me > and the longer he stays in this the better chance that SOME of his points > will stick and become part of the platform. > > > On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Keith In Tampa > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Good Morning Perp and Mark! >> >> I agree with both of you......Sorta....... >> >> I am one that believes the Republican candidates should adhere to the >> Republican 11th Commandment: "*Thou shalt not speak ill of fellow >> conservatives*". Ron Paul broke this rule in Iowa, as he blasted both >> Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney in Iowa with false, misleading and >> prevaricate commercials. We've seen Paul's legions here in PF inundate >> the board with many of these false assertions. (*See* MJ and PlainOl). >> >> Just as important, for months, the Paul supporters all had their panties >> in a wad, claiming that the media was ignoring Paul; that Paul wasn't >> getting his fair share of press coverage. Well, once Paul's numbers went >> up in Iowa, the press did in fact start covering Paul, and the light got a >> little brighter on Paul's past record. Just as it did on Gingrich and >> other candidates who have been raked over the coals by pundits; (*See*John >> Sununu, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, and a number of pseudo RINO >> assholes who are in Romney's camp and who have attacked Gingrich >> unmercifully and unfairly). You don't see Gingrich supporters crying like >> women, the way that Paul supporters are crying! I was listening to Rush >> Limbaugh and several other talk show hosts yesterday, and the barrage of >> Paul supporters crying foul was unbelievable! >> >> The truth is Paul has a number of skeletons in his closet and his legions >> of crackpot supporters are now pissed that the truth is coming out about >> Crazy Uncle Ron. >> >> Paul is not electable on a national scale, but as both of you pointed >> out, *IF* Paul chooses to break away and run as a third party >> candidate, it will no doubt cost the Republicans the election, and we will >> see another four years of socialist/communist presidential directives and >> executive orders, of which our Nation may not be able to recover. >> >> I trust that Paul has enough sense and wisdom to know that his running as >> a third party candidate will do serious damage to our Nation and that his >> candidacy would be an open ticket to a second Obama Administration. >> >> I'm all for throwing Paul a bone.....Give him a prominent night for a >> speech at the Convention here in Tampa in August, and I would whole >> heartedly support "Secretary Of The Treasury Paul". >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:39 AM, THE ANNOINTED ONE >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Perplexed has it right... if he cuts and runs as an independent Obama >>> will win... he has 15% of the vote in his pocket. >>> >>> On Dec 31, 7:35 am, Perplexed <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Keith, I agree with you that a lot of his views are those of a >>> > crackpot. But I noticed yesterday watching some discussion on one of >>> > the Fox News shows that the pundits are being downright stupid in how >>> > they are stepping up the talking points of "he's not electable". To >>> > say he couldn't win in a general election is likely very true, but >>> > that's not what they were doing. The person actually referred to his >>> > candidacy as a "joke". >>> > >>> > Personally I think that kind of nonsense will backfire and encourage >>> > Paul to run as an independent and republicans can kiss any chance of >>> > defeating Obama good-bye. These ignorant assholes who make up the >>> > "GOP establishment" and their mouthpieces in the media are apparently >>> > too stupid to realize they should be respectful and leave room to >>> > encourage Paul to join whoever the eventual nominee is - because >>> > without him AND his supporters voting for whoever that is, republicans >>> > stand no chance of winning, and that's just a fact. >>> > >>> > On Dec 31, 12:49 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:00 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > > > Posted on Thu, Dec. 29, 2011 >>> > > > *GOP Establishment wrong to ‘disenfranchise’ Ron Paul supporters >>> > > > *BY COLIN MCINTOSH >>> > >>> > > > Don’t tread on me. >>> > >>> > > > Recently, something’s been amiss in the mainstream media when >>> discussing >>> > > > Ron Paul’s candidacy. As the Texas congressman’s support has >>> surged to 15 >>> > > > percent nationally in the latest Washington Post poll, the “Very >>> Serious >>> > > > Republicans” who write columns and give their opinions on TV and >>> radio >>> > > > shows have changed their tune. They aren’t as confident, as cocky >>> or as >>> > > > arrogant as they used to be when predicting the 2012 presidential >>> election. >>> > >>> > > > Now, they sound scared; they sound nervous; they sound shaken. But >>> most >>> > > > important, they sound resolute that they, and not their audience, >>> represent >>> > > > the opinions of mainstream America. They are wrong, and their >>> gamble will >>> > > > be costly. >>> > >>> > > > In the absence of facts to support the Establishment candidates, >>> the media >>> > > > have turned to personal insults, childish mockery, and deliberate >>> > > > misinterpretation of Dr. Paul’s lessons. Their goal, quite >>> shamefully, is >>> > > > to convince Ron Paul supporters that the candidate that they >>> believe in has >>> > > > no chance of winning the nomination, let alone the general >>> election. Here >>> > > > are some recent headlines from around the web: “Huckabee slams Ron >>> Paul, >>> > > > says he has ‘no chance’ to win Republican nomination” The Hill >>> “Ron Paul >>> > > > can’t be allowed to win Iowa” Daily Caller “Why Ron Paul Can’t >>> Win” >>> > > > Wall Street Journal “If Ron Paul wins Iowa, does that make the >>> state >>> > > > irrelevant?” Christian Science Monitor >>> > >>> > > > This type of overt pressure from our media to change your vote >>> because >>> > > > “your candidate can’t win” constitutes a form of >>> disenfranchisement. >>> > > > Despite Paul’s rise to the front of the pack in Iowa, the media >>> still >>> > > > ignore that his national support from Republicans has risen from 9 >>> percent >>> > > > to 15 percent in a month (Washington Post/ABC poll, Dec. 18). They >>> refuse >>> > > > to report the fact that he would lose only by 49-44 in a >>> hypothetical race >>> > > > against Obama, down from 52-42 just one month ago. >>> > >>> > > > They will never tell us that 21 percent of Americans polled chose >>> to vote >>> > > > for Ron Paul as a third party candidate over the hypothetical >>> choices of >>> > > > President Obama or Romney/Gingrich. >>> > >>> > > > This last statistic leads me to my main point: if the GOP >>> nominates anyone >>> > > > besides Ron Paul, Barack Obama will win the 2012 election. >>> > >>> > > > Why? >>> > >>> > > > Currently, Establishment Republicans are issuing an obvious >>> warning to >>> > > > Paul’s base: vote for Romney, or the Democrats will win in >>> November. >>> > > > Clearly, they hope this ominous bit of advice also reaches the >>> millions of >>> > > > Americans who are still learning about Ron Paul’s views. Well, Dr. >>> Paul’s >>> > > > supporters have a retort: we don’t give a damn. >>> > >>> > > > There are worse things than having a Democrat in the White House, >>> and >>> > > > disenfranchisement is among them. We will not vote for whom we are >>> told. We >>> > > > will not vote for a candidate who espouses a policy of preemptive >>> war. We >>> > > > will not vote for the continuation of a flawed, costly, >>> discriminatory drug >>> > > > war. We will not vote for the circumnavigation of the U.S. >>> Constitution. We >>> > > > will not vote for a candidate (Romney) who has received just 10 >>> percent of >>> > > > his campaign donations from actual people (from opensecrets.org). >>> And we >>> > > > will not feel remorse for a Republican Party that has abandoned us. >>> > >>> > > > I am a registered Republican, but when I listen to my so-called >>> party >>> > > > leaders, I become infuriated and despondent. When did preemptive >>> war become >>> > > > our national defense? When did the desire to police the world >>> become so >>> > > > mainstream that we forgot that our nation was birthed from a >>> repugnance to >>> > > > imperialism? When did we concede that the federal government has >>> the right >>> > > > to regulate our lives to the point of quiet despotism? >>> > >>> > > > And most important, when did we become convinced that our votes >>> and voices >>> > > > only matter if we support the perceived frontrunner? >>> > >>> > > > As an advocate of liberty, I will vote on principle over party, >>> every >>> > > > time. If the Republican Party took the time to educate its members >>> on the >>> > > > issues, rather than simply bullying them into submission, their >>> party >>> > > > wouldn’t be so splintered right now, and perhaps Dr. Paul would >>> have a >>> > > > unified force behind him heading into November. Instead, GOP >>> leaders seem >>> > > > committed to promoting the status quo, to increasing their own >>> power and >>> > > > influence, and to keeping the support of moneyed interests. >>> > >>> > > > If the GOP Establishment is successful in convincing Republicans to >>> > > > nominate Romney instead of Paul, and Paul does indeed run as an >>> > > > independent, Obama will win with 45 percent of the vote, and the >>> GOP will >>> > > > have no one to blame but themselves. >>> > >>> > > > Colin McIntosh, a resident of Fort Lauderdale and graduate of St. >>> Thomas >>> > > > Aquinas High School, is a senior at Emory University in Atlanta >>> and will >>> > > > graduate this spring with bachelor degrees in economics and >>> business >>> > > > administration. >>> > >>> > > > >>> http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/12/29/2566016/gop-establishment-wrong... >>> > >>> > > > -- >>> > > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> > > > For options & help seehttp:// >>> groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> > >>> > > > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>> > > > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>> > > > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>> > >>> > > crackpot.jpg >>> > > 9KViewDownload >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>> >> >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> > > > > -- > *Mark M. 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