I too agree with Paul's call for limited government....Something that sounds very Reaganesque. With a trillion dollar deficit, I do believe that the next Administration (providing it is Republican) "Get's It"......
They may "Get It" but neither the ever compromising Newt nor the liberal Mitt will actually do it. I don't believe that either has the balls that this would take. On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>wrote: > I would agree that Paul has been influential.....All of the Republicans > are now calling for an audit of the Federal Reserve, and we do have Ron > Paul to thank for this. > > I too agree with Paul's call for limited government....Something that > sounds very Reaganesque. With a trillion dollar deficit, I do believe > that the next Administration (providing it is Republican) "Get's It"...... > > > > > On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The big difference that I can see between the candidates is >> that Paul's positions and "transgressions" are indeed and actually >> factually defensible.... It is kind of like you and I being held >> responsible for what is posted here. Yes, I know that those three sentences >> that were written in the "first person" and attributed to Paul are >> horrendous...but then are they really untrue or just said in a bad way?? >> >> These are not, at least to me, disqualifying statements even if they are >> his actual feelings. >> >> His stance on a return to constitutionality is extremely important to me >> and the longer he stays in this the better chance that SOME of his points >> will stick and become part of the platform. >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Keith In Tampa >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Good Morning Perp and Mark! >>> >>> I agree with both of you......Sorta....... >>> >>> I am one that believes the Republican candidates should adhere to the >>> Republican 11th Commandment: "*Thou shalt not speak ill of fellow >>> conservatives*". Ron Paul broke this rule in Iowa, as he blasted both >>> Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney in Iowa with false, misleading and >>> prevaricate commercials. We've seen Paul's legions here in PF inundate >>> the board with many of these false assertions. (*See* MJ and >>> PlainOl). >>> >>> Just as important, for months, the Paul supporters all had their >>> panties in a wad, claiming that the media was ignoring Paul; that Paul >>> wasn't getting his fair share of press coverage. Well, once Paul's >>> numbers went up in Iowa, the press did in fact start covering Paul, and >>> the light got a little brighter on Paul's past record. Just as it did on >>> Gingrich and other candidates who have been raked over the coals by >>> pundits; (*See* John Sununu, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, and a number >>> of pseudo RINO assholes who are in Romney's camp and who have attacked >>> Gingrich unmercifully and unfairly). You don't see Gingrich supporters >>> crying like women, the way that Paul supporters are crying! I was >>> listening to Rush Limbaugh and several other talk show hosts yesterday, and >>> the barrage of Paul supporters crying foul was unbelievable! >>> >>> The truth is Paul has a number of skeletons in his closet and his >>> legions of crackpot supporters are now pissed that the truth is coming out >>> about Crazy Uncle Ron. >>> >>> Paul is not electable on a national scale, but as both of you pointed >>> out, *IF* Paul chooses to break away and run as a third party >>> candidate, it will no doubt cost the Republicans the election, and we will >>> see another four years of socialist/communist presidential directives and >>> executive orders, of which our Nation may not be able to recover. >>> >>> I trust that Paul has enough sense and wisdom to know that his running >>> as a third party candidate will do serious damage to our Nation and that >>> his candidacy would be an open ticket to a second Obama Administration. >>> >>> I'm all for throwing Paul a bone.....Give him a prominent night for a >>> speech at the Convention here in Tampa in August, and I would whole >>> heartedly support "Secretary Of The Treasury Paul". >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:39 AM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected] >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Perplexed has it right... if he cuts and runs as an independent Obama >>>> will win... he has 15% of the vote in his pocket. >>>> >>>> On Dec 31, 7:35 am, Perplexed <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > Keith, I agree with you that a lot of his views are those of a >>>> > crackpot. But I noticed yesterday watching some discussion on one of >>>> > the Fox News shows that the pundits are being downright stupid in how >>>> > they are stepping up the talking points of "he's not electable". To >>>> > say he couldn't win in a general election is likely very true, but >>>> > that's not what they were doing. The person actually referred to his >>>> > candidacy as a "joke". >>>> > >>>> > Personally I think that kind of nonsense will backfire and encourage >>>> > Paul to run as an independent and republicans can kiss any chance of >>>> > defeating Obama good-bye. These ignorant assholes who make up the >>>> > "GOP establishment" and their mouthpieces in the media are apparently >>>> > too stupid to realize they should be respectful and leave room to >>>> > encourage Paul to join whoever the eventual nominee is - because >>>> > without him AND his supporters voting for whoever that is, republicans >>>> > stand no chance of winning, and that's just a fact. >>>> > >>>> > On Dec 31, 12:49 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:00 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > > Posted on Thu, Dec. 29, 2011 >>>> > > > *GOP Establishment wrong to ‘disenfranchise’ Ron Paul supporters >>>> > > > *BY COLIN MCINTOSH >>>> > >>>> > > > Don’t tread on me. >>>> > >>>> > > > Recently, something’s been amiss in the mainstream media when >>>> discussing >>>> > > > Ron Paul’s candidacy. As the Texas congressman’s support has >>>> surged to 15 >>>> > > > percent nationally in the latest Washington Post poll, the “Very >>>> Serious >>>> > > > Republicans” who write columns and give their opinions on TV and >>>> radio >>>> > > > shows have changed their tune. They aren’t as confident, as cocky >>>> or as >>>> > > > arrogant as they used to be when predicting the 2012 presidential >>>> election. >>>> > >>>> > > > Now, they sound scared; they sound nervous; they sound shaken. >>>> But most >>>> > > > important, they sound resolute that they, and not their audience, >>>> represent >>>> > > > the opinions of mainstream America. They are wrong, and their >>>> gamble will >>>> > > > be costly. >>>> > >>>> > > > In the absence of facts to support the Establishment candidates, >>>> the media >>>> > > > have turned to personal insults, childish mockery, and deliberate >>>> > > > misinterpretation of Dr. Paul’s lessons. Their goal, quite >>>> shamefully, is >>>> > > > to convince Ron Paul supporters that the candidate that they >>>> believe in has >>>> > > > no chance of winning the nomination, let alone the general >>>> election. Here >>>> > > > are some recent headlines from around the web: “Huckabee slams >>>> Ron Paul, >>>> > > > says he has ‘no chance’ to win Republican nomination” The Hill >>>> “Ron Paul >>>> > > > can’t be allowed to win Iowa” Daily Caller “Why Ron Paul Can’t >>>> Win” >>>> > > > Wall Street Journal “If Ron Paul wins Iowa, does that make the >>>> state >>>> > > > irrelevant?” Christian Science Monitor >>>> > >>>> > > > This type of overt pressure from our media to change your vote >>>> because >>>> > > > “your candidate can’t win” constitutes a form of >>>> disenfranchisement. >>>> > > > Despite Paul’s rise to the front of the pack in Iowa, the media >>>> still >>>> > > > ignore that his national support from Republicans has risen from >>>> 9 percent >>>> > > > to 15 percent in a month (Washington Post/ABC poll, Dec. 18). >>>> They refuse >>>> > > > to report the fact that he would lose only by 49-44 in a >>>> hypothetical race >>>> > > > against Obama, down from 52-42 just one month ago. >>>> > >>>> > > > They will never tell us that 21 percent of Americans polled chose >>>> to vote >>>> > > > for Ron Paul as a third party candidate over the hypothetical >>>> choices of >>>> > > > President Obama or Romney/Gingrich. >>>> > >>>> > > > This last statistic leads me to my main point: if the GOP >>>> nominates anyone >>>> > > > besides Ron Paul, Barack Obama will win the 2012 election. >>>> > >>>> > > > Why? >>>> > >>>> > > > Currently, Establishment Republicans are issuing an obvious >>>> warning to >>>> > > > Paul’s base: vote for Romney, or the Democrats will win in >>>> November. >>>> > > > Clearly, they hope this ominous bit of advice also reaches the >>>> millions of >>>> > > > Americans who are still learning about Ron Paul’s views. Well, >>>> Dr. Paul’s >>>> > > > supporters have a retort: we don’t give a damn. >>>> > >>>> > > > There are worse things than having a Democrat in the White House, >>>> and >>>> > > > disenfranchisement is among them. We will not vote for whom we >>>> are told. We >>>> > > > will not vote for a candidate who espouses a policy of preemptive >>>> war. We >>>> > > > will not vote for the continuation of a flawed, costly, >>>> discriminatory drug >>>> > > > war. We will not vote for the circumnavigation of the U.S. >>>> Constitution. We >>>> > > > will not vote for a candidate (Romney) who has received just 10 >>>> percent of >>>> > > > his campaign donations from actual people (from opensecrets.org). >>>> And we >>>> > > > will not feel remorse for a Republican Party that has abandoned >>>> us. >>>> > >>>> > > > I am a registered Republican, but when I listen to my so-called >>>> party >>>> > > > leaders, I become infuriated and despondent. When did preemptive >>>> war become >>>> > > > our national defense? When did the desire to police the world >>>> become so >>>> > > > mainstream that we forgot that our nation was birthed from a >>>> repugnance to >>>> > > > imperialism? When did we concede that the federal government has >>>> the right >>>> > > > to regulate our lives to the point of quiet despotism? >>>> > >>>> > > > And most important, when did we become convinced that our votes >>>> and voices >>>> > > > only matter if we support the perceived frontrunner? >>>> > >>>> > > > As an advocate of liberty, I will vote on principle over party, >>>> every >>>> > > > time. If the Republican Party took the time to educate its >>>> members on the >>>> > > > issues, rather than simply bullying them into submission, their >>>> party >>>> > > > wouldn’t be so splintered right now, and perhaps Dr. Paul would >>>> have a >>>> > > > unified force behind him heading into November. Instead, GOP >>>> leaders seem >>>> > > > committed to promoting the status quo, to increasing their own >>>> power and >>>> > > > influence, and to keeping the support of moneyed interests. >>>> > >>>> > > > If the GOP Establishment is successful in convincing Republicans >>>> to >>>> > > > nominate Romney instead of Paul, and Paul does indeed run as an >>>> > > > independent, Obama will win with 45 percent of the vote, and the >>>> GOP will >>>> > > > have no one to blame but themselves. >>>> > >>>> > > > Colin McIntosh, a resident of Fort Lauderdale and graduate of St. >>>> Thomas >>>> > > > Aquinas High School, is a senior at Emory University in Atlanta >>>> and will >>>> > > > graduate this spring with bachelor degrees in economics and >>>> business >>>> > > > administration. >>>> > >>>> > > > >>>> http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/12/29/2566016/gop-establishment-wrong. >>>> .. >>>> > >>>> > > > -- >>>> > > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>> > > > For options & help seehttp:// >>>> groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>> > >>>> > > > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>> > > > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>> > > > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>> > >>>> > > crackpot.jpg >>>> > > 9KViewDownload >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>> >>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Mark M. Kahle H.* >> * >> * >> * >> * >> >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
