"*Thou shalt not speak ill of fellow conservatives*". I think of Romney as a liberal and Newt as a fence sitter or moderate at best. Newt is too fast to compromise. It is truly time for a true conservative hard liner based on the bill of rights.....especially the tenth amendment.
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>wrote: > Good Morning Perp and Mark! > > I agree with both of you......Sorta....... > > I am one that believes the Republican candidates should adhere to the > Republican 11th Commandment: "*Thou shalt not speak ill of fellow > conservatives*". Ron Paul broke this rule in Iowa, as he blasted both > Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney in Iowa with false, misleading and > prevaricate commercials. We've seen Paul's legions here in PF inundate > the board with many of these false assertions. (*See* MJ and PlainOl). > > Just as important, for months, the Paul supporters all had their panties > in a wad, claiming that the media was ignoring Paul; that Paul wasn't > getting his fair share of press coverage. Well, once Paul's numbers went > up in Iowa, the press did in fact start covering Paul, and the light got a > little brighter on Paul's past record. Just as it did on Gingrich and > other candidates who have been raked over the coals by pundits; (*See*John > Sununu, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, and a number of pseudo RINO > assholes who are in Romney's camp and who have attacked Gingrich > unmercifully and unfairly). You don't see Gingrich supporters crying like > women, the way that Paul supporters are crying! I was listening to Rush > Limbaugh and several other talk show hosts yesterday, and the barrage of > Paul supporters crying foul was unbelievable! > > The truth is Paul has a number of skeletons in his closet and his legions > of crackpot supporters are now pissed that the truth is coming out about > Crazy Uncle Ron. > > Paul is not electable on a national scale, but as both of you pointed > out, *IF* Paul chooses to break away and run as a third party > candidate, it will no doubt cost the Republicans the election, and we will > see another four years of socialist/communist presidential directives and > executive orders, of which our Nation may not be able to recover. > > I trust that Paul has enough sense and wisdom to know that his running as > a third party candidate will do serious damage to our Nation and that his > candidacy would be an open ticket to a second Obama Administration. > > I'm all for throwing Paul a bone.....Give him a prominent night for a > speech at the Convention here in Tampa in August, and I would whole > heartedly support "Secretary Of The Treasury Paul". > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:39 AM, THE ANNOINTED ONE > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Perplexed has it right... if he cuts and runs as an independent Obama >> will win... he has 15% of the vote in his pocket. >> >> On Dec 31, 7:35 am, Perplexed <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Keith, I agree with you that a lot of his views are those of a >> > crackpot. But I noticed yesterday watching some discussion on one of >> > the Fox News shows that the pundits are being downright stupid in how >> > they are stepping up the talking points of "he's not electable". To >> > say he couldn't win in a general election is likely very true, but >> > that's not what they were doing. The person actually referred to his >> > candidacy as a "joke". >> > >> > Personally I think that kind of nonsense will backfire and encourage >> > Paul to run as an independent and republicans can kiss any chance of >> > defeating Obama good-bye. These ignorant assholes who make up the >> > "GOP establishment" and their mouthpieces in the media are apparently >> > too stupid to realize they should be respectful and leave room to >> > encourage Paul to join whoever the eventual nominee is - because >> > without him AND his supporters voting for whoever that is, republicans >> > stand no chance of winning, and that's just a fact. >> > >> > On Dec 31, 12:49 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:00 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > Posted on Thu, Dec. 29, 2011 >> > > > *GOP Establishment wrong to ‘disenfranchise’ Ron Paul supporters >> > > > *BY COLIN MCINTOSH >> > >> > > > Don’t tread on me. >> > >> > > > Recently, something’s been amiss in the mainstream media when >> discussing >> > > > Ron Paul’s candidacy. As the Texas congressman’s support has surged >> to 15 >> > > > percent nationally in the latest Washington Post poll, the “Very >> Serious >> > > > Republicans” who write columns and give their opinions on TV and >> radio >> > > > shows have changed their tune. They aren’t as confident, as cocky >> or as >> > > > arrogant as they used to be when predicting the 2012 presidential >> election. >> > >> > > > Now, they sound scared; they sound nervous; they sound shaken. But >> most >> > > > important, they sound resolute that they, and not their audience, >> represent >> > > > the opinions of mainstream America. They are wrong, and their >> gamble will >> > > > be costly. >> > >> > > > In the absence of facts to support the Establishment candidates, >> the media >> > > > have turned to personal insults, childish mockery, and deliberate >> > > > misinterpretation of Dr. Paul’s lessons. Their goal, quite >> shamefully, is >> > > > to convince Ron Paul supporters that the candidate that they >> believe in has >> > > > no chance of winning the nomination, let alone the general >> election. Here >> > > > are some recent headlines from around the web: “Huckabee slams Ron >> Paul, >> > > > says he has ‘no chance’ to win Republican nomination” The Hill >> “Ron Paul >> > > > can’t be allowed to win Iowa” Daily Caller “Why Ron Paul Can’t >> Win” >> > > > Wall Street Journal “If Ron Paul wins Iowa, does that make the state >> > > > irrelevant?” Christian Science Monitor >> > >> > > > This type of overt pressure from our media to change your vote >> because >> > > > “your candidate can’t win” constitutes a form of disenfranchisement. >> > > > Despite Paul’s rise to the front of the pack in Iowa, the media >> still >> > > > ignore that his national support from Republicans has risen from 9 >> percent >> > > > to 15 percent in a month (Washington Post/ABC poll, Dec. 18). They >> refuse >> > > > to report the fact that he would lose only by 49-44 in a >> hypothetical race >> > > > against Obama, down from 52-42 just one month ago. >> > >> > > > They will never tell us that 21 percent of Americans polled chose >> to vote >> > > > for Ron Paul as a third party candidate over the hypothetical >> choices of >> > > > President Obama or Romney/Gingrich. >> > >> > > > This last statistic leads me to my main point: if the GOP nominates >> anyone >> > > > besides Ron Paul, Barack Obama will win the 2012 election. >> > >> > > > Why? >> > >> > > > Currently, Establishment Republicans are issuing an obvious warning >> to >> > > > Paul’s base: vote for Romney, or the Democrats will win in November. >> > > > Clearly, they hope this ominous bit of advice also reaches the >> millions of >> > > > Americans who are still learning about Ron Paul’s views. Well, Dr. >> Paul’s >> > > > supporters have a retort: we don’t give a damn. >> > >> > > > There are worse things than having a Democrat in the White House, >> and >> > > > disenfranchisement is among them. We will not vote for whom we are >> told. We >> > > > will not vote for a candidate who espouses a policy of preemptive >> war. We >> > > > will not vote for the continuation of a flawed, costly, >> discriminatory drug >> > > > war. We will not vote for the circumnavigation of the U.S. >> Constitution. We >> > > > will not vote for a candidate (Romney) who has received just 10 >> percent of >> > > > his campaign donations from actual people (from opensecrets.org). >> And we >> > > > will not feel remorse for a Republican Party that has abandoned us. >> > >> > > > I am a registered Republican, but when I listen to my so-called >> party >> > > > leaders, I become infuriated and despondent. When did preemptive >> war become >> > > > our national defense? When did the desire to police the world >> become so >> > > > mainstream that we forgot that our nation was birthed from a >> repugnance to >> > > > imperialism? When did we concede that the federal government has >> the right >> > > > to regulate our lives to the point of quiet despotism? >> > >> > > > And most important, when did we become convinced that our votes and >> voices >> > > > only matter if we support the perceived frontrunner? >> > >> > > > As an advocate of liberty, I will vote on principle over party, >> every >> > > > time. If the Republican Party took the time to educate its members >> on the >> > > > issues, rather than simply bullying them into submission, their >> party >> > > > wouldn’t be so splintered right now, and perhaps Dr. Paul would >> have a >> > > > unified force behind him heading into November. Instead, GOP >> leaders seem >> > > > committed to promoting the status quo, to increasing their own >> power and >> > > > influence, and to keeping the support of moneyed interests. >> > >> > > > If the GOP Establishment is successful in convincing Republicans to >> > > > nominate Romney instead of Paul, and Paul does indeed run as an >> > > > independent, Obama will win with 45 percent of the vote, and the >> GOP will >> > > > have no one to blame but themselves. >> > >> > > > Colin McIntosh, a resident of Fort Lauderdale and graduate of St. >> Thomas >> > > > Aquinas High School, is a senior at Emory University in Atlanta and >> will >> > > > graduate this spring with bachelor degrees in economics and business >> > > > administration. >> > >> > > > >> http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/12/29/2566016/gop-establishment-wrong... >> > >> > > > -- >> > > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> > > > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> > >> > > > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> > > > * It's active and moderated. 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