Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is advocated?
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:27 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > wrote: > passages that advocate violence can be found in the Koran, Talmud and > NT. > > pick your poison > > On Jun 18, 4:20 pm, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > > Jesus Akbar > > > > Recently a Yale theologian, Miroslav Volf, came to a Christian school, > > Lipscomb< > http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V.. > .>University, > > and talked about how Islam and Christianity can live in harmony > > and respect. He is part of a new industry in America, Christians > > constructing beautiful lies about Islam. Fundamentally, he says that we > all > > worship the same god. > > > > *Volf says, “one of the best ways for people of different faiths to get > > along is to study their scriptures together.”* > > > > If we want to get along, then looking at looking at scriptures is indeed > a > > most excellent way to get to know each other. The problem is that the > only > > scripture Volf wants to study is the Koran. Any time that someone wants > to > > explain Islam by the Koran, you are dealing with someone who is ignorant > or > > a deceiver. > > > > The Koran proclaims in 91 verses that every Muslim is to model their life > > after the example (Sunna) of Mohammed, but the Sunna of Mohammed is found > > only in the Sira and the Hadith. The Koran is only 14% of the Islamic > > sacred texts. Mohammed, not Allah, is 86% of the textual doctrine. Volf, > > however, ignores Mohammed and only wants to talk about Allah. There is a > > very good reason for this. Allah is so conveniently abstract that he can > > construct his Allah-equals-the-Trinity-god by cherry-picking verses and > > muddle through as if he were in a dormitory philosophy bull session. > > > > While Volf is comparing scriptures, he should point out that the Koran > says > > that Jesus of the Bible is a fraud and that the Gospels, Psalms and Torah > > are corrupt. That inconvenient Koranic detail was not mentioned. > > > > Volf ignores a 1400 year history of Islam and Christianity and all other > > religions. The jihad doctrine found in the Koran is the foundation for > the > > murder of 270 million Kafirs (non-Muslims, including Christians). He also > > ignores the over 18,000 Islamic terror > > attacks< > http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V.. > .>since > > September 11, 2001. Why refer to a 1400 year history of continuous > > persecution if it gets in the way of your arguments? What are ugly facts > in > > the face of a beautiful lie? > > > > *Volf: Two faiths, worshipping the same God, can work toward the common > > good under a single government.* > > > > Hello, the only government that Allah wants is the Sharia. The place for > > Christianity and Judaism in the Sharia is as the *dhimmi*, a semi-slave. > > History is very clear that when the Sharia is put into place, > Christianity > > dies. It takes centuries, but Christianity is annihilated. Christianity > can > > survive Communism and Nazism, but it cannot survive the Sharia. When > Islam > > invaded what is now Turkey and installed Sharia, it was 100% Christian. > > Here is a graph of what Sharia law did to the Christian population. > > > > *Volf : Allah offers a constructive way forward by reversing the “our > God > > vs. their God” premise that destroys bridges between neighbors and > nations, > > magnifies fears, and creates strife.* > > > > Mohammed, the prophet of Allah, did not just destroy bridges, he > destroyed > > civilizations. Mohammed attacked each and every neighbor until the day he > > died. That is the Sunna of Mohammed (perfect example of a sacred life). > > After he died, his Companions (Abu Baker, Umar and Uthman) followed his > > Sunna just as he demonstrated, and they killed Christians as fast as they > > could and placed them under Sharia law as dhimmis. By the time the > > Companion caliphs died, they had destroyed the classical civilization of > > the Greeks and Romans that was the matrix of Christianity. The classical > > church in the Middle East with its incredible variety of Christianity was > > annihilated by Mohammed and his personal students of jihad. The > > Christianity of today is a stump of the Christianity of the year 630 AD > > when jihad began. Whole forms of early Christianity were annihilated by > > Islamic jihad. > > > > And the Koran spoke wonderfully of Mohammed’s jihad. In the Koran written > > in Medina, about > > 24%< > http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V.. > .>is > > devoted to “fighting in Allah’s cause”, jihad. > > > > *Volf said, “Faith is often misused for political ends, which frequently > > leads to violence.”* > > > > Mohammed preached the religion of Islam for 13 years and garnered 150 > > converts. After he turned to politics and jihad and when he died every > Arab > > was a Muslim. It was politics and jihad which made him successful. > > > > The moral demand on Muslims is to practice jihad, deceive Kafirs and > impose > > Sharia law. Islamic morality is dualistic. Islamic ethics have one set of > > rules for Muslims and a second set of rules for Kafirs. Ethics based on > the > > Golden Rule have only one set of rules. > > > > *Thick spirituality, Volf said, is faith combined with morality, which > > treats all people as equal in God’s sight.* > > > > Yet we have Allah who hates Kafirs and who does not have a Golden Rule. > > Only the Golden Rule makes people equal in God’s sight. Allah denies the > > Golden Rule. Go ahead, plow through the Koran and find the Golden Rule. > Do > > the same for the Sira and the Hadith. No, the way Mohammed treated you > > depended upon who you are. A Muslim is treated well, and a Kafir is > treated > > to murder, rape, enslavement and deceit. > > > > A religion of the Golden Rule can lead to peace. A religion of jihad and > > political Sharia leads to war. Islam will not admit to any fault or take > > any credit for 270,000,000 dead over the last 1400 years. Look at Islamic > > Turkey—Turkish Muslims murdered a million Armenians in 20th century, but > > will not admit to this annihilation and genocide. > > > > Lipscomb professor David Fleer, one of the conference organizers, said > that > > Volf’s experiences in Yugoslavia and his scholarship made him the perfect > > speaker to address how religion and reconciliation intersect. “He set > forth > > the theological foundation for us,” Fleer said. > > > > Exactly why is this man an expert? An expert is made only by studying the > > Sira, Hadith, Koran and Sharia—not his zip code. There is one, and only > one > > criteria for being expert on Islam—knowledge about Allah and Mohammed. > Volf > > only talks about Allah. > > > > But the real tragedy is that a religion professor thinks that Volf’s > > inventions are a solid foundation. Contemporary Christian and Jewish > > theology has become mere philosophy and has its foundation in Leftist > > social justice doctrine, not scriptures. > > > > Volf said one of the keys to people of different faiths getting along is > > for each side to admit that those of other faiths are real members of the > > community. “It’s not just creating space for them physically,” he said. > > “You have to create space for them in your own cultural self-perception.” > > > > But Islam insists that Kafirs are not part of the *umma* (Islamic > > community) which is pure Islamic doctrine. There are 11 > > verses< > http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V.. > .>in > > the Koran that say that a Muslim is not even the friend of a Kafir, > > much > > less a member of the community. > > > > Islam comes into our civilization and demands the political Sharia. > Notice > > that the accommodation is that we submit to the political Sharia and we > > have to create a space for it in our culture. And the political Sharia > has > > a definite space for the Kafir, called dhimmi. What is disgusting is that > > Volf makes submitting to political Sharia seem like a blessing to us and > > our country. > > > > There is a certain class consciousness in the article, Volf’s Yale > elitism > > is all over the copy. Why is it that the elites are such believers? Why > do > > those who understand the threat of Islam and Sharia called “haters” by > the > > media? The elites control the venue. There is no space in the print > media, > > except for Islam and its apologists. The knowledgeable opposition never > > gets to debate, is never invited to the party. The elites have ruled that > > the only views that are legal are Muslims and apologists. Those who > > disagree are immoral bigots and Islamophobes. > > > > Here is the final test of the “we-all-worship-the-same-god” school of > > theology. What was the last time that a Christian yelled, “Jesus Akbar” > > before he blew himself up? What was the last time that a Muslim yelled, > > “Allahu Akbar”, before he murdered a Kafir? > > > > Sure, all gods are the same. > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. 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