Has nothing to do with Jesus's ancestry and lineage.
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:02 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]>wrote: > It's also questionable as to whether Jesus was a Jew. > --- > The New Testament identifies Bethlehem, a Palestinian city, as the > birthplace of Jesus of Nazareth. > > > On Jun 19, 9:29 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > It's also questionable as to whether Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was an Asine > > (sp).. > > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:19 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going back to the original Greek we find that he made a small scourge > > > or whip of reeds or grass... Such "whips" were a SYMBOL of power and > > > can do no real harm... > > > > > The farmers here use them on their cattle as well... It is simply > > > something to wave in the air that makes the cattle move. > > > > > Got anything else Plainol?? This one doesn't wash. > > > > > On Jun 19, 8:04 am, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is > advocated? > > > > --- > > > > jesus, the mythical jew, took a whip to the moneychangers. Would he > do > > > > something he wouldn't advocate others doing? > > > > > > On Jun 19, 6:49 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is > advocated? > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:27 PM, plainolamerican < > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > passages that advocate violence can be found in the Koran, > Talmud and > > > > > > NT. > > > > > > > > pick your poison > > > > > > > > On Jun 18, 4:20 pm, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Jesus Akbar > > > > > > > > > Recently a Yale theologian, Miroslav Volf, came to a Christian > > > school, > > > > > > > Lipscomb< > > > > > > > http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V > > > .. > > > > > > .>University, > > > > > > > and talked about how Islam and Christianity can live in harmony > > > > > > > and respect. He is part of a new industry in America, > Christians > > > > > > > constructing beautiful lies about Islam. Fundamentally, he says > > > that we > > > > > > all > > > > > > > worship the same god. > > > > > > > > > *Volf says, “one of the best ways for people of different > faiths > > > to get > > > > > > > along is to study their scriptures together.”* > > > > > > > > > If we want to get along, then looking at looking at scriptures > is > > > indeed > > > > > > a > > > > > > > most excellent way to get to know each other. The problem is > that > > > the > > > > > > only > > > > > > > scripture Volf wants to study is the Koran. Any time that > someone > > > wants > > > > > > to > > > > > > > explain Islam by the Koran, you are dealing with someone who is > > > ignorant > > > > > > or > > > > > > > a deceiver. > > > > > > > > > The Koran proclaims in 91 verses that every Muslim is to model > > > their life > > > > > > > after the example (Sunna) of Mohammed, but the Sunna of > Mohammed > > > is found > > > > > > > only in the Sira and the Hadith. The Koran is only 14% of the > > > Islamic > > > > > > > sacred texts. Mohammed, not Allah, is 86% of the textual > doctrine. > > > Volf, > > > > > > > however, ignores Mohammed and only wants to talk about Allah. > > > There is a > > > > > > > very good reason for this. Allah is so conveniently abstract > that > > > he can > > > > > > > construct his Allah-equals-the-Trinity-god by cherry-picking > > > verses and > > > > > > > muddle through as if he were in a dormitory philosophy bull > > > session. > > > > > > > > > While Volf is comparing scriptures, he should point out that > the > > > Koran > > > > > > says > > > > > > > that Jesus of the Bible is a fraud and that the Gospels, Psalms > > > and Torah > > > > > > > are corrupt. That inconvenient Koranic detail was not > mentioned. > > > > > > > > > Volf ignores a 1400 year history of Islam and Christianity and > all > > > other > > > > > > > religions. The jihad doctrine found in the Koran is the > foundation > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > murder of 270 million Kafirs (non-Muslims, including > Christians). > > > He also > > > > > > > ignores the over 18,000 Islamic terror > > > > > > > attacks< > > > > > > > http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V > > > .. > > > > > > .>since > > > > > > > September 11, 2001. Why refer to a 1400 year history of > continuous > > > > > > > persecution if it gets in the way of your arguments? What are > ugly > > > facts > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the face of a beautiful lie? > > > > > > > > > *Volf: Two faiths, worshipping the same God, can work toward > the > > > common > > > > > > > good under a single government.* > > > > > > > > > Hello, the only government that Allah wants is the Sharia. The > > > place for > > > > > > > Christianity and Judaism in the Sharia is as the *dhimmi*, a > > > semi-slave. > > > > > > > History is very clear that when the Sharia is put into place, > > > > > > Christianity > > > > > > > dies. It takes centuries, but Christianity is annihilated. > > > Christianity > > > > > > can > > > > > > > survive Communism and Nazism, but it cannot survive the Sharia. > > > When > > > > > > Islam > > > > > > > invaded what is now Turkey and installed Sharia, it was 100% > > > Christian. > > > > > > > Here is a graph of what Sharia law did to the Christian > population. > > > > > > > > > *Volf : Allah offers a constructive way forward by reversing > the > > > “our > > > > > > God > > > > > > > vs. their God” premise that destroys bridges between neighbors > and > > > > > > nations, > > > > > > > magnifies fears, and creates strife.* > > > > > > > > > Mohammed, the prophet of Allah, did not just destroy bridges, > he > > > > > > destroyed > > > > > > > civilizations. Mohammed attacked each and every neighbor until > the > > > day he > > > > > > > died. That is the Sunna of Mohammed (perfect example of a > sacred > > > life). > > > > > > > After he died, his Companions (Abu Baker, Umar and Uthman) > > > followed his > > > > > > > Sunna just as he demonstrated, and they killed Christians as > fast > > > as they > > > > > > > could and placed them under Sharia law as dhimmis. By the time > the > > > > > > > Companion caliphs died, they had destroyed the classical > > > civilization of > > > > > > > the Greeks and Romans that was the matrix of Christianity. The > > > classical > > > > > > > church in the Middle East with its incredible variety of > > > Christianity was > > > > > > > annihilated by Mohammed and his personal students of jihad. The > > > > > > > Christianity of today is a stump of the Christianity of the > year > > > 630 AD > > > > > > > when jihad began. Whole forms of early Christianity were > > > annihilated by > > > > > > > Islamic jihad. > > > > > > > > > And the Koran spoke wonderfully of Mohammed’s jihad. In the > Koran > > > written > > > > > > > in Medina, about > > > > > > > 24%< > > > > > > > http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V > > > .. > > > > > > .>is > > > > > > > devoted to “fighting in Allah’s cause”, jihad. > > > > > > > > > *Volf said, “Faith is often misused for political ends, which > > > frequently > > > > > > > leads to violence.”* > > > > > > > > > Mohammed preached the religion of Islam for 13 years and > garnered > > > 150 > > > > > > > converts. After he turned to politics and jihad and when he > died > > > every > > > > > > Arab > > > > > > > was a Muslim. It was politics and jihad which made him > successful. > > > > > > > > > The moral demand on Muslims is to practice jihad, deceive > Kafirs > > > and > > > > > > impose > > > > > > > Sharia law. Islamic morality is dualistic. Islamic ethics have > one > > > set of > > > > > > > rules for Muslims and a second set of rules for Kafirs. Ethics > > > based on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Golden Rule have only one set of rules. > > > > > > > > > *Thick spirituality, Volf said, is faith combined with > morality, > > > which > > > > > > > treats all people as equal in God’s sight.* > > > > > > > > > Yet we have Allah who hates Kafirs and who does not have a > Golden > > > Rule. > > > > > > > Only the Golden Rule makes people equal in God’s sight. Allah > > > denies the > > > > > > > Golden Rule. Go ahead, plow through the Koran and find the > Golden > > > Rule. > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > the same for the Sira and the Hadith. No, the way Mohammed > treated > > > you > > > > > > > depended upon who you are. A Muslim is treated well, and a > Kafir is > > > > > > treated > > > > > > > to murder, rape, enslavement and deceit. > > > > > > > > > A religion of the Golden Rule can lead to peace. A religion of > > > jihad and > > > > > > > political Sharia leads to war. Islam will not admit to any > fault > > > or take > > > > > > > any credit for 270,000,000 dead over the last 1400 years. Look > at > > > Islamic > > > > > > > Turkey—Turkish Muslims murdered a million Armenians in 20th > > > century, but > > > > > > > will not admit to this annihilation and genocide. > > > > > > > > > Lipscomb professor David Fleer, one of the conference > organizers, > > > said > > > > > > that > > > > > > > Volf’s experiences in Yugoslavia and his scholarship made him > the > > > perfect > > > > > > > speaker to address how religion and reconciliation intersect. > “He > > > set > > > > > > forth > > > > > > > the theological foundation for us,” Fleer said. > > > > > > > > > Exactly why is this man an expert? An expert is made only by > > > studying the > > > > > > > Sira, Hadith, Koran and Sharia—not his zip code. There is one, > and > > > only > > > > > > one > > > > > > > criteria for being expert on Islam—knowledge about Allah and > > > Mohammed. > > > > > > Volf > > > > > > > only talks about Allah. > > > > > > > > > But the real tragedy is that a religion professor thinks that > > > Volf’s > > > > > > > inventions are a solid foundation. Contemporary Christian and > > > Jewish > > > > > > > theology has become mere philosophy and has its foundation in > > > Leftist > > > > > > > social justice doctrine, not scriptures. > > > > > > > > > Volf said one of the keys to people of different faiths getting > > > along is > > > > > > > for each side to admit that those of other faiths are real > members > > > of the > > > > > > > community. “It’s not just creating space for them physically,” > he > > > said. > > > > > > > “You have to create space for them in your own cultural > > > self-perception.” > > > > > > > > > But Islam insists that Kafirs are not part of the *umma* > (Islamic > > > > > > > community) which is pure Islamic doctrine. There are 11 > > > > > > > verses< > > > > > > > http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V > > > .. > > > > > > .>in > > > > > > > the Koran that say that a Muslim is not even the friend of a > Kafir, > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > less a member of the > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
