The New Testament identifies Bethlehem, a Palestinian city, as the birthplace of Jesus of Nazareth. ---- Has nothing to do with Jesus's ancestry and lineage. --- whatever
On Jun 19, 11:48 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes it does, you are incorrect. > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:37 PM, plainolamerican > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > You said: Jesus was an Asine ... has nothing to do with Jesus's > > ancestry and lineage > > > On Jun 19, 10:34 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Has nothing to do with Jesus's ancestry and lineage. > > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:02 PM, plainolamerican > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > It's also questionable as to whether Jesus was a Jew. > > > > --- > > > > The New Testament identifies Bethlehem, a Palestinian city, as the > > > > birthplace of Jesus of Nazareth. > > > > > On Jun 19, 9:29 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > It's also questionable as to whether Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was an > > Asine > > > > > (sp).. > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:19 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE < > > [email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Going back to the original Greek we find that he made a small > > scourge > > > > > > or whip of reeds or grass... Such "whips" were a SYMBOL of power > > and > > > > > > can do no real harm... > > > > > > > The farmers here use them on their cattle as well... It is simply > > > > > > something to wave in the air that makes the cattle move. > > > > > > > Got anything else Plainol?? This one doesn't wash. > > > > > > > On Jun 19, 8:04 am, plainolamerican <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is > > > > advocated? > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > jesus, the mythical jew, took a whip to the moneychangers. Would > > he > > > > do > > > > > > > something he wouldn't advocate others doing? > > > > > > > > On Jun 19, 6:49 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is > > > > advocated? > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:27 PM, plainolamerican < > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > passages that advocate violence can be found in the Koran, > > > > Talmud and > > > > > > > > > NT. > > > > > > > > > > pick your poison > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 18, 4:20 pm, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Jesus Akbar > > > > > > > > > > > Recently a Yale theologian, Miroslav Volf, came to a > > Christian > > > > > > school, > > > > > > > > > > Lipscomb< > > > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V > > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > .>University, > > > > > > > > > > and talked about how Islam and Christianity can live in > > harmony > > > > > > > > > > and respect. He is part of a new industry in America, > > > > Christians > > > > > > > > > > constructing beautiful lies about Islam. Fundamentally, he > > says > > > > > > that we > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > worship the same god. > > > > > > > > > > > *Volf says, “one of the best ways for people of different > > > > faiths > > > > > > to get > > > > > > > > > > along is to study their scriptures together.”* > > > > > > > > > > > If we want to get along, then looking at looking at > > scriptures > > > > is > > > > > > indeed > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > most excellent way to get to know each other. The problem > > is > > > > that > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > scripture Volf wants to study is the Koran. Any time that > > > > someone > > > > > > wants > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > explain Islam by the Koran, you are dealing with someone > > who is > > > > > > ignorant > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > a deceiver. > > > > > > > > > > > The Koran proclaims in 91 verses that every Muslim is to > > model > > > > > > their life > > > > > > > > > > after the example (Sunna) of Mohammed, but the Sunna of > > > > Mohammed > > > > > > is found > > > > > > > > > > only in the Sira and the Hadith. The Koran is only 14% of > > the > > > > > > Islamic > > > > > > > > > > sacred texts. Mohammed, not Allah, is 86% of the textual > > > > doctrine. > > > > > > Volf, > > > > > > > > > > however, ignores Mohammed and only wants to talk about > > Allah. > > > > > > There is a > > > > > > > > > > very good reason for this. Allah is so conveniently > > abstract > > > > that > > > > > > he can > > > > > > > > > > construct his Allah-equals-the-Trinity-god by > > cherry-picking > > > > > > verses and > > > > > > > > > > muddle through as if he were in a dormitory philosophy bull > > > > > > session. > > > > > > > > > > > While Volf is comparing scriptures, he should point out > > that > > > > the > > > > > > Koran > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > that Jesus of the Bible is a fraud and that the Gospels, > > Psalms > > > > > > and Torah > > > > > > > > > > are corrupt. That inconvenient Koranic detail was not > > > > mentioned. > > > > > > > > > > > Volf ignores a 1400 year history of Islam and Christianity > > and > > > > all > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > religions. The jihad doctrine found in the Koran is the > > > > foundation > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > murder of 270 million Kafirs (non-Muslims, including > > > > Christians). > > > > > > He also > > > > > > > > > > ignores the over 18,000 Islamic terror > > > > > > > > > > attacks< > > > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V > > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > .>since > > > > > > > > > > September 11, 2001. Why refer to a 1400 year history of > > > > continuous > > > > > > > > > > persecution if it gets in the way of your arguments? What > > are > > > > ugly > > > > > > facts > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > the face of a beautiful lie? > > > > > > > > > > > *Volf: Two faiths, worshipping the same God, can work > > toward > > > > the > > > > > > common > > > > > > > > > > good under a single government.* > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, the only government that Allah wants is the Sharia. > > The > > > > > > place for > > > > > > > > > > Christianity and Judaism in the Sharia is as the *dhimmi*, > > a > > > > > > semi-slave. > > > > > > > > > > History is very clear that when the Sharia is put into > > place, > > > > > > > > > Christianity > > > > > > > > > > dies. It takes centuries, but Christianity is annihilated. > > > > > > Christianity > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > survive Communism and Nazism, but it cannot survive the > > Sharia. > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > Islam > > > > > > > > > > invaded what is now Turkey and installed Sharia, it was > > 100% > > > > > > Christian. > > > > > > > > > > Here is a graph of what Sharia law did to the Christian > > > > population. > > > > > > > > > > > *Volf : Allah offers a constructive way forward by > > reversing > > > > the > > > > > > “our > > > > > > > > > God > > > > > > > > > > vs. their God” premise that destroys bridges between > > neighbors > > > > and > > > > > > > > > nations, > > > > > > > > > > magnifies fears, and creates strife.* > > > > > > > > > > > Mohammed, the prophet of Allah, did not just destroy > > bridges, > > > > he > > > > > > > > > destroyed > > > > > > > > > > civilizations. Mohammed attacked each and every neighbor > > until > > > > the > > > > > > day he > > > > > > > > > > died. That is the Sunna of Mohammed (perfect example of a > > > > sacred > > > > > > life). > > > > > > > > > > After he died, his Companions (Abu Baker, Umar and Uthman) > > > > > > followed his > > > > > > > > > > Sunna just as he demonstrated, and they killed Christians > > as > > > > fast > > > > > > as they > > > > > > > > > > could and placed them under Sharia law as dhimmis. By the > > time > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Companion caliphs died, they had destroyed the classical > > > > > > civilization of > > > > > > > > > > the Greeks and Romans that was the matrix of Christianity. > > The > > > > > > classical > > > > > > > > > > church in the Middle East with its incredible variety of > > > > > > Christianity was > > > > > > > > > > annihilated by Mohammed and his personal students of > > jihad. The > > > > > > > > > > Christianity of today is a stump of the Christianity of the > > > > year > > > > > > 630 AD > > > > > > > > > > when jihad began. Whole forms of early Christianity were > > > > > > annihilated by > > > > > > > > > > Islamic jihad. > > > > > > > > > > > And the Koran spoke wonderfully of Mohammed’s jihad. In the > > > > Koran > > > > > > written > > > > > > > > > > in Medina, about > > > > > > > > > > 24%< > > > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V > > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > .>is > > > > > > > > > > devoted to “fighting in Allah’s cause”, jihad. > > > > > > > > > > > *Volf said, “Faith is often misused for political ends, > > which > > > > > > frequently > > > > > > > > > > leads to violence.”* > > > > > > > > > > > Mohammed preached the religion of Islam for 13 years and > > > > garnered > > > > > > 150 > > > > > > > > > > converts. After he turned to politics and jihad and when he > > > > died > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > Arab > > > > > > > > > > was a Muslim. It was politics and jihad which made him > > > > successful. > > > > > > > > > > > The moral demand on Muslims is to practice jihad, deceive > > > > Kafirs > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > impose > > > > > > > > > > Sharia law. Islamic morality is dualistic. Islamic ethics > > have > > > > one > > > > > > set of > > > > > > > > > > rules for Muslims and a second set of rules for Kafirs. > > Ethics > > > > > > based on > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Golden Rule have only one set of rules. > > > > > > > > > > > *Thick spirituality, Volf said, is faith combined with > > > > morality, > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > treats all people as equal in God’s sight.* > > > > > > > > > > > Yet we have Allah who hates Kafirs and who does not have a > > > > Golden > > > > > > Rule. > > > > > > > > > > Only the Golden Rule makes people equal in God’s sight. > > Allah > > > > > > denies the > > > > > > > > > > Golden Rule. Go > > ... > > read more » -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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