I don't think you got the right interpretation. Here's a different perspective:
http://www.meetingwithchrist.com/E053%20I%20came%20to%20bring%20a%20word%20-%20Mt%2010(34-36).htm On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:38 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]>wrote: > a small scourge or whip of reeds or grass > --- > a whip made of reeds or grass can tear flesh > > Got anything else Plainol?? This one doesn't wash. > --- > opinion noted ... not shared > ok ... here's a couple more: > Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send > peace, but a sword. > But those enemies of mine who do did not want me to be king over them-- > bring them here and kill them in front of me. > > Trying to defend xianity and judaism while vilifying islam is folly. > They're all violent and cruel to each other. > > On Jun 19, 9:19 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: > > Going back to the original Greek we find that he made a small scourge > > or whip of reeds or grass... Such "whips" were a SYMBOL of power and > > can do no real harm... > > > > The farmers here use them on their cattle as well... It is simply > > something to wave in the air that makes the cattle move. > > > > Got anything else Plainol?? This one doesn't wash. > > > > On Jun 19, 8:04 am, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is advocated? > > > --- > > > jesus, the mythical jew, took a whip to the moneychangers. Would he do > > > something he wouldn't advocate others doing? > > > > > On Jun 19, 6:49 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is > advocated? > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:27 PM, plainolamerican < > [email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > passages that advocate violence can be found in the Koran, Talmud > and > > > > > NT. > > > > > > > pick your poison > > > > > > > On Jun 18, 4:20 pm, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Jesus Akbar > > > > > > > > Recently a Yale theologian, Miroslav Volf, came to a Christian > school, > > > > > > Lipscomb< > > > > > > http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V.. > > > > > .>University, > > > > > > and talked about how Islam and Christianity can live in harmony > > > > > > and respect. He is part of a new industry in America, Christians > > > > > > constructing beautiful lies about Islam. Fundamentally, he says > that we > > > > > all > > > > > > worship the same god. > > > > > > > > *Volf says, “one of the best ways for people of different faiths > to get > > > > > > along is to study their scriptures together.”* > > > > > > > > If we want to get along, then looking at looking at scriptures > is indeed > > > > > a > > > > > > most excellent way to get to know each other. The problem is > that the > > > > > only > > > > > > scripture Volf wants to study is the Koran. Any time that > someone wants > > > > > to > > > > > > explain Islam by the Koran, you are dealing with someone who is > ignorant > > > > > or > > > > > > a deceiver. > > > > > > > > The Koran proclaims in 91 verses that every Muslim is to model > their life > > > > > > after the example (Sunna) of Mohammed, but the Sunna of Mohammed > is found > > > > > > only in the Sira and the Hadith. The Koran is only 14% of the > Islamic > > > > > > sacred texts. Mohammed, not Allah, is 86% of the textual > doctrine. Volf, > > > > > > however, ignores Mohammed and only wants to talk about Allah. > There is a > > > > > > very good reason for this. Allah is so conveniently abstract > that he can > > > > > > construct his Allah-equals-the-Trinity-god by cherry-picking > verses and > > > > > > muddle through as if he were in a dormitory philosophy bull > session. > > > > > > > > While Volf is comparing scriptures, he should point out that the > Koran > > > > > says > > > > > > that Jesus of the Bible is a fraud and that the Gospels, Psalms > and Torah > > > > > > are corrupt. That inconvenient Koranic detail was not mentioned. > > > > > > > > Volf ignores a 1400 year history of Islam and Christianity and > all other > > > > > > religions. The jihad doctrine found in the Koran is the > foundation for > > > > > the > > > > > > murder of 270 million Kafirs (non-Muslims, including > Christians). He also > > > > > > ignores the over 18,000 Islamic terror > > > > > > attacks< > > > > > > http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V.. > > > > > .>since > > > > > > September 11, 2001. Why refer to a 1400 year history of > continuous > > > > > > persecution if it gets in the way of your arguments? What are > ugly facts > > > > > in > > > > > > the face of a beautiful lie? > > > > > > > > *Volf: Two faiths, worshipping the same God, can work toward the > common > > > > > > good under a single government.* > > > > > > > > Hello, the only government that Allah wants is the Sharia. The > place for > > > > > > Christianity and Judaism in the Sharia is as the *dhimmi*, a > semi-slave. > > > > > > History is very clear that when the Sharia is put into place, > > > > > Christianity > > > > > > dies. It takes centuries, but Christianity is annihilated. > Christianity > > > > > can > > > > > > survive Communism and Nazism, but it cannot survive the Sharia. > When > > > > > Islam > > > > > > invaded what is now Turkey and installed Sharia, it was 100% > Christian. > > > > > > Here is a graph of what Sharia law did to the Christian > population. > > > > > > > > *Volf : Allah offers a constructive way forward by reversing > the “our > > > > > God > > > > > > vs. their God” premise that destroys bridges between neighbors > and > > > > > nations, > > > > > > magnifies fears, and creates strife.* > > > > > > > > Mohammed, the prophet of Allah, did not just destroy bridges, he > > > > > destroyed > > > > > > civilizations. Mohammed attacked each and every neighbor until > the day he > > > > > > died. That is the Sunna of Mohammed (perfect example of a sacred > life). > > > > > > After he died, his Companions (Abu Baker, Umar and Uthman) > followed his > > > > > > Sunna just as he demonstrated, and they killed Christians as > fast as they > > > > > > could and placed them under Sharia law as dhimmis. By the time > the > > > > > > Companion caliphs died, they had destroyed the classical > civilization of > > > > > > the Greeks and Romans that was the matrix of Christianity. The > classical > > > > > > church in the Middle East with its incredible variety of > Christianity was > > > > > > annihilated by Mohammed and his personal students of jihad. The > > > > > > Christianity of today is a stump of the Christianity of the year > 630 AD > > > > > > when jihad began. Whole forms of early Christianity were > annihilated by > > > > > > Islamic jihad. > > > > > > > > And the Koran spoke wonderfully of Mohammed’s jihad. In the > Koran written > > > > > > in Medina, about > > > > > > 24%< > > > > > > http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V.. > > > > > .>is > > > > > > devoted to “fighting in Allah’s cause”, jihad. > > > > > > > > *Volf said, “Faith is often misused for political ends, which > frequently > > > > > > leads to violence.”* > > > > > > > > Mohammed preached the religion of Islam for 13 years and > garnered 150 > > > > > > converts. After he turned to politics and jihad and when he died > every > > > > > Arab > > > > > > was a Muslim. It was politics and jihad which made him > successful. > > > > > > > > The moral demand on Muslims is to practice jihad, deceive Kafirs > and > > > > > impose > > > > > > Sharia law. Islamic morality is dualistic. Islamic ethics have > one set of > > > > > > rules for Muslims and a second set of rules for Kafirs. Ethics > based on > > > > > the > > > > > > Golden Rule have only one set of rules. > > > > > > > > *Thick spirituality, Volf said, is faith combined with morality, > which > > > > > > treats all people as equal in God’s sight.* > > > > > > > > Yet we have Allah who hates Kafirs and who does not have a > Golden Rule. > > > > > > Only the Golden Rule makes people equal in God’s sight. Allah > denies the > > > > > > Golden Rule. Go ahead, plow through the Koran and find the > Golden Rule. > > > > > Do > > > > > > the same for the Sira and the Hadith. No, the way Mohammed > treated you > > > > > > depended upon who you are. A Muslim is treated well, and a Kafir > is > > > > > treated > > > > > > to murder, rape, enslavement and deceit. > > > > > > > > A religion of the Golden Rule can lead to peace. A religion of > jihad and > > > > > > political Sharia leads to war. Islam will not admit to any fault > or take > > > > > > any credit for 270,000,000 dead over the last 1400 years. Look > at Islamic > > > > > > Turkey—Turkish Muslims murdered a million Armenians in 20th > century, but > > > > > > will not admit to this annihilation and genocide. > > > > > > > > Lipscomb professor David Fleer, one of the conference > organizers, said > > > > > that > > > > > > Volf’s experiences in Yugoslavia and his scholarship made him > the perfect > > > > > > speaker to address how religion and reconciliation intersect. > “He set > > > > > forth > > > > > > the theological foundation for us,” Fleer said. > > > > > > > > Exactly why is this man an expert? An expert is made only by > studying the > > > > > > Sira, Hadith, Koran and Sharia—not his zip code. There is one, > and only > > > > > one > > > > > > criteria for being expert on Islam—knowledge about Allah and > Mohammed. > > > > > Volf > > > > > > only talks about Allah. > > > > > > > > But the real tragedy is that a religion professor thinks that > Volf’s > > > > > > inventions are a solid foundation. Contemporary Christian and > Jewish > > > > > > theology has become mere philosophy and has its foundation in > Leftist > > > > > > social justice doctrine, not scriptures. > > > > > > > > Volf said one of the keys to people of different faiths getting > along is > > > > > > for each side to admit that those of other faiths are real > members of the > > > > > > community. “It’s not just creating space for them physically,” > he said. > > > > > > “You have to create space for them in your own cultural > self-perception.” > > > > > > > > But Islam insists that Kafirs are not part of the *umma* (Islamic > > > > > > community) which is pure Islamic doctrine. There are 11 > > > > > > verses< > > > > > > http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V.. > > > > > .>in > > > > > > the Koran that say that a Muslim is not even the friend of a > Kafir, > > > > > > much > > > > > > less a member of the community. > > > > > > > > Islam comes into our civilization and demands the political > Sharia. > > > > > Notice > > > > > > that the accommodation is that we submit to the political Sharia > and we > > > > > > have to create a space for it in our culture. And the political > Sharia > > > > > has > > > > > > a definite space for the Kafir, called dhimmi. What is > disgusting is that > > > > > > Volf makes submitting to political Sharia seem like a blessing > to us and > > > > > > our country. > > > > > > > > There is a certain class consciousness in the article, Volf’s > Yale > > > > > elitism > > > > > > is all over the copy. Why is it that the elites are such > believers? Why > > > > > do > > > > > > those who understand the threat of Islam and Sharia called > “haters” by > > > > > the > > > > > > media? The elites > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
