I don't think you got the right interpretation --- opinion noted On Jun 19, 9:51 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't think you got the right interpretation. Here's a different > perspective: > > http://www.meetingwithchrist.com/E053%20I%20came%20to%20bring%20a%20w... > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:38 PM, plainolamerican > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > a small scourge or whip of reeds or grass > > --- > > a whip made of reeds or grass can tear flesh > > > Got anything else Plainol?? This one doesn't wash. > > --- > > opinion noted ... not shared > > ok ... here's a couple more: > > Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send > > peace, but a sword. > > But those enemies of mine who do did not want me to be king over them-- > > bring them here and kill them in front of me. > > > Trying to defend xianity and judaism while vilifying islam is folly. > > They're all violent and cruel to each other. > > > On Jun 19, 9:19 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Going back to the original Greek we find that he made a small scourge > > > or whip of reeds or grass... Such "whips" were a SYMBOL of power and > > > can do no real harm... > > > > The farmers here use them on their cattle as well... It is simply > > > something to wave in the air that makes the cattle move. > > > > Got anything else Plainol?? This one doesn't wash. > > > > On Jun 19, 8:04 am, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is advocated? > > > > --- > > > > jesus, the mythical jew, took a whip to the moneychangers. Would he do > > > > something he wouldn't advocate others doing? > > > > > On Jun 19, 6:49 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is > > advocated? > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:27 PM, plainolamerican < > > [email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > passages that advocate violence can be found in the Koran, Talmud > > and > > > > > > NT. > > > > > > > pick your poison > > > > > > > On Jun 18, 4:20 pm, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Jesus Akbar > > > > > > > > Recently a Yale theologian, Miroslav Volf, came to a Christian > > school, > > > > > > > Lipscomb< > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V.. > > > > > > .>University, > > > > > > > and talked about how Islam and Christianity can live in harmony > > > > > > > and respect. He is part of a new industry in America, Christians > > > > > > > constructing beautiful lies about Islam. Fundamentally, he says > > that we > > > > > > all > > > > > > > worship the same god. > > > > > > > > *Volf says, “one of the best ways for people of different faiths > > to get > > > > > > > along is to study their scriptures together.”* > > > > > > > > If we want to get along, then looking at looking at scriptures > > is indeed > > > > > > a > > > > > > > most excellent way to get to know each other. The problem is > > that the > > > > > > only > > > > > > > scripture Volf wants to study is the Koran. Any time that > > someone wants > > > > > > to > > > > > > > explain Islam by the Koran, you are dealing with someone who is > > ignorant > > > > > > or > > > > > > > a deceiver. > > > > > > > > The Koran proclaims in 91 verses that every Muslim is to model > > their life > > > > > > > after the example (Sunna) of Mohammed, but the Sunna of Mohammed > > is found > > > > > > > only in the Sira and the Hadith. The Koran is only 14% of the > > Islamic > > > > > > > sacred texts. Mohammed, not Allah, is 86% of the textual > > doctrine. Volf, > > > > > > > however, ignores Mohammed and only wants to talk about Allah. > > There is a > > > > > > > very good reason for this. Allah is so conveniently abstract > > that he can > > > > > > > construct his Allah-equals-the-Trinity-god by cherry-picking > > verses and > > > > > > > muddle through as if he were in a dormitory philosophy bull > > session. > > > > > > > > While Volf is comparing scriptures, he should point out that the > > Koran > > > > > > says > > > > > > > that Jesus of the Bible is a fraud and that the Gospels, Psalms > > and Torah > > > > > > > are corrupt. That inconvenient Koranic detail was not mentioned. > > > > > > > > Volf ignores a 1400 year history of Islam and Christianity and > > all other > > > > > > > religions. The jihad doctrine found in the Koran is the > > foundation for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > murder of 270 million Kafirs (non-Muslims, including > > Christians). He also > > > > > > > ignores the over 18,000 Islamic terror > > > > > > > attacks< > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V.. > > > > > > .>since > > > > > > > September 11, 2001. Why refer to a 1400 year history of > > continuous > > > > > > > persecution if it gets in the way of your arguments? What are > > ugly facts > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the face of a beautiful lie? > > > > > > > > *Volf: Two faiths, worshipping the same God, can work toward the > > common > > > > > > > good under a single government.* > > > > > > > > Hello, the only government that Allah wants is the Sharia. The > > place for > > > > > > > Christianity and Judaism in the Sharia is as the *dhimmi*, a > > semi-slave. > > > > > > > History is very clear that when the Sharia is put into place, > > > > > > Christianity > > > > > > > dies. It takes centuries, but Christianity is annihilated. > > Christianity > > > > > > can > > > > > > > survive Communism and Nazism, but it cannot survive the Sharia. > > When > > > > > > Islam > > > > > > > invaded what is now Turkey and installed Sharia, it was 100% > > Christian. > > > > > > > Here is a graph of what Sharia law did to the Christian > > population. > > > > > > > > *Volf : Allah offers a constructive way forward by reversing > > the “our > > > > > > God > > > > > > > vs. their God” premise that destroys bridges between neighbors > > and > > > > > > nations, > > > > > > > magnifies fears, and creates strife.* > > > > > > > > Mohammed, the prophet of Allah, did not just destroy bridges, he > > > > > > destroyed > > > > > > > civilizations. Mohammed attacked each and every neighbor until > > the day he > > > > > > > died. That is the Sunna of Mohammed (perfect example of a sacred > > life). > > > > > > > After he died, his Companions (Abu Baker, Umar and Uthman) > > followed his > > > > > > > Sunna just as he demonstrated, and they killed Christians as > > fast as they > > > > > > > could and placed them under Sharia law as dhimmis. By the time > > the > > > > > > > Companion caliphs died, they had destroyed the classical > > civilization of > > > > > > > the Greeks and Romans that was the matrix of Christianity. The > > classical > > > > > > > church in the Middle East with its incredible variety of > > Christianity was > > > > > > > annihilated by Mohammed and his personal students of jihad. The > > > > > > > Christianity of today is a stump of the Christianity of the year > > 630 AD > > > > > > > when jihad began. Whole forms of early Christianity were > > annihilated by > > > > > > > Islamic jihad. > > > > > > > > And the Koran spoke wonderfully of Mohammed’s jihad. In the > > Koran written > > > > > > > in Medina, about > > > > > > > 24%< > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V.. > > > > > > .>is > > > > > > > devoted to “fighting in Allah’s cause”, jihad. > > > > > > > > *Volf said, “Faith is often misused for political ends, which > > frequently > > > > > > > leads to violence.”* > > > > > > > > Mohammed preached the religion of Islam for 13 years and > > garnered 150 > > > > > > > converts. After he turned to politics and jihad and when he died > > every > > > > > > Arab > > > > > > > was a Muslim. It was politics and jihad which made him > > successful. > > > > > > > > The moral demand on Muslims is to practice jihad, deceive Kafirs > > and > > > > > > impose > > > > > > > Sharia law. Islamic morality is dualistic. Islamic ethics have > > one set of > > > > > > > rules for Muslims and a second set of rules for Kafirs. Ethics > > based on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Golden Rule have only one set of rules. > > > > > > > > *Thick spirituality, Volf said, is faith combined with morality, > > which > > > > > > > treats all people as equal in God’s sight.* > > > > > > > > Yet we have Allah who hates Kafirs and who does not have a > > Golden Rule. > > > > > > > Only the Golden Rule makes people equal in God’s sight. Allah > > denies the > > > > > > > Golden Rule. Go ahead, plow through the Koran and find the > > Golden Rule. > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > the same for the Sira and the Hadith. No, the way Mohammed > > treated you > > > > > > > depended upon who you are. A Muslim is treated well, and a Kafir > > is > > > > > > treated > > > > > > > to murder, rape, enslavement and deceit. > > > > > > > > A religion of the Golden Rule can lead to peace. A religion of > > jihad and > > > > > > > political Sharia leads to war. Islam will not admit to any fault > > or take > > > > > > > any credit for 270,000,000 dead over the last 1400 years. Look > > at Islamic > > > > > > > Turkey—Turkish Muslims murdered a million Armenians in 20th > > century, but > > > > > > > will not admit to this annihilation and genocide. > > > > > > > > Lipscomb professor David Fleer, one of the conference > > organizers, said > > > > > > that > > > > > > > Volf’s experiences in Yugoslavia and his scholarship made him > > the perfect > > > > > > > speaker to address how religion and reconciliation intersect. > > “He set > > > > > > forth > > > > > > > the theological foundation for us,” Fleer said. > > > > > > > > Exactly why is this man an expert? An expert is made only by > > studying the > > > > > > > Sira, Hadith, Koran and Sharia—not his zip code. There is one, > > and only > > > > > > one > > > > > > > criteria for being expert on Islam—knowledge about Allah and > > Mohammed. > > > > > > Volf > > > > > > > only talks about Allah. > > ... > > read more »
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