"Mr. Meridor also pointed out that Iran’s leaders have continued to deny Israel’s right to exist and used highly inflammatory terms to describe the state. --- not an American concern
On Oct 13, 2:57 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Move along folks.....Nothing here to see...... > > This is pretty much covered in the article that I initially posted. > Nevertheless, there are billboards around Tehran calling for the end-all > destruction of Israel, that are sponsored by the Iranian government! > > From your article: > > "Mr. Meridor also pointed out that Iran’s leaders have continued to deny > Israel’s right to exist and used highly inflammatory terms to describe the > state. After Ayatollah Khameneicompared Israel to a cancerous > tumor<http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/iran-says-it-launched...>in > February adding, it “should be cut off” Mr. Meridor noted those > remarks were echoed by the president just last month. “Israel is unnatural, > it will not exist, it’s on the verge of collapse,” Mr. Meridor said. “When > you hear this from these people, you need to take it seriously.” > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 12:49 AM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > At 06:43 AM 9/17/2012, you wrote: > > > Once again, the likes of Sheldon Richman and Justin Raimondo (through > > Antiwar.com, which is where Richman chooses to obtain his "facts" from) > > try to pervert the truth. I assume, (although it's hard to understand > > especially Raimondo's goal in anything....In Raimondo's case, he's just a > > goofy crackpot who like to hear himself talk and see himself in print) that > > the goal here is to portray the American government as insistent on > > attacking Iran, and that whole "Blood For Oil" theory that both love so > > much......Needless to say, that Richman's and Raimondo's very existence > > depend upon petroelum products, from the food that they inhale to the > > nasty drawers on their backsides. > > > Here are but just a few of the examples of: "Iranian leader[s] > > threaten[ing] Israel with annihilation" > > > April 17, 2012, *7:11 pm > > **Israeli Minister Agrees Ahmadinejad Never Said Israel ‘Must Be Wiped > > Off the Map’ > > *By ROBERT MACKEY <http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/author/robert-mackey/> > > > http://youtu.be/Rb7pemOiO2s > > > *Updated | Wednesday | 4:43 p.m. *In a reminder that Persian rhetoric is > > not always easy for English-speakers to interpret, a senior Israeli > > official has acknowledged that Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, never > > actually said that Israel “must be wiped off the map.” > > > Those words were attributed to Mr. Ahmadinejad in > > 2005<http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/world/africa/26iht-iran.html>, > > in English translations of his > > speech<http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/weekinreview/30iran.html?pagewanted...>to > > a “World Without Zionism” conference that October. As my colleague Ethan > > Bronner reported the next > > year<https://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/weekinreview/11bronner.html>, > > one problem was translating a metaphorical turn of phrase in Persian that > > has no exact English equivalent there was, for instance, no mention of a > > map and there was a heated debate about whether the original statement > > was a threat or a prediction. > > > Last week, Teymoor Nabili of Al Jazeera suggested during an interview > > with Dan Meridor <http://youtu.be/Rb7pemOiO2s?t=3m53s>, Israel’s minister > > of intelligence and atomic energy, that Mr. Ahmadinejad’s rhetorical > > flourish had been misinterpreted. “This idea that Iran wants to wipe Israel > > out,” Mr. Nabili said, “now that’s a common trope that is put about by a > > lot of people in Israel, a lot of people in the United States, but as we > > know Ahmadinejad didn’t say that he plans to exterminate Israel, nor did he > > say that Iran’s policy is to exterminate Israel.” > > > In response, Mr. Meridor said that Mr. Ahmadinejad and Iran’s ruling > > cleric, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, had said repeatedly “that Israel is an > > unnatural creature, it will not survive. They didn’t say, ‘We’ll wipe it > > out,’ you’re right, but, ‘It will not survive.’ ” > > > Mr. Meridor also pointed out that Iran’s leaders have continued to deny > > Israel’s right to exist and used highly inflammatory terms to describe the > > state. After Ayatollah Khamenei compared Israel to a cancerous > > tumor<http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/iran-says-it-launched...>in > > February adding, it “should be cut off” Mr. Meridor noted those > > remarks were echoed by the president just last month. “Israel is unnatural, > > it will not exist, it’s on the verge of collapse,” Mr. Meridor said. “When > > you hear this from these people, you need to take it seriously.” > > > As the Guardian columnist Jonathan Steele explained in > > 2006<http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/jun/02/comment.usa>, > > a more direct translation of Mr. Ahmadinejad’s remarks would be: “this > > regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time,” echoing a > > statement once made by the founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran, > > Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. > > > In an English > > translation<http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/1510.htm>three days > > after the speech in 2005, the Middle East Media Research > > Institute, or Memri which was founded by a former Israeli intelligence > > officer rendered the sentence in a similar way: “Imam [Khomeini] said: > > ‘This regime that is occupying Qods [Jerusalem] must be eliminated from the > > pages of history.’” > > > In an interview with The Lede on Tuesday, Hooman Majd, an Iranian-American > > writer whose father was an ambassador under the Shah, pointed out that Mr. > > Ahmadinejad had slightly misquoted Ayatollah Khomeini, using the Persian > > word for “page” instead of a similar-sounding word for “scene or stage.” > > > Mr. Majd, who once did a cameo as Mr. Ahmadinejad’s > > translator<http://www.observer.com/2006/10/mahmoud-and-me/>at the United > > Nations, also noted that in the original speech, the Iranian > > president had argued that while the end of Israeli rule over Jerusalem, the > > third holiest city in Islam, might seem impossible to imagine, the end of > > the Shah’s rule and the collapse of the Soviet Union both proved that > > change on that scale was possible. > > > The author, who recently spent time in Tehran, suggested that Mr. > > Ahmadinejad has perhaps made so little effort to explain that he was > > misquoted because he relishes his image as a sworn enemy of Israel, and > > would not want to be seen as stepping back from even threatening remarks he > > did not make. > > > Still, over the years, the original misinterpretation of Mr. Ahmadinejad’s > > remarks has been so often repeated that it has become a kind of shorthand. > > “In my conversations with Americans,” Mr. Majd said, very often they > > respond to the name Ahmadinejad by saying, “He wants to eliminate Israel.” > > > Mr. Majd added that reformers inside Iran call Mr. Ahmadinejad’s posturing > > “very damaging,” and blame his repeated and quite accurately translated > > statements denying the Holocaust, “for inflaming this Iranophobia that > > exists in the West.” > > > Although there is general agreement now among translators and scholars > > that Mr. Ahmadinejad did not commit his country to the project of > > destroying the state of Israel in that 2005 speech, the phrase that was > > wrongly attributed to him then remains so firmly rooted in the popular > > imagination that it is frequently used as evidence of Iran’s genocidal > > intentions. > > > During a visit to the White House last month, on the eve of the Jewish > > festival of Purim, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel presented > > President Obama with a copy of the Book of Esther, which recounts the > > tale of a Persian leader who wanted to annihilate the > > Jews<http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2012/0307/Netanyahu-gives...>. > > “Then, too, they wanted to wipe us out,” Mr. Netanyahu told the > > president<http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/netanyahu-tells-obama-i...> > > . > > > In January, Ehud Barak, the Israeli defense minister, told a New York > > Times Magazine > > writer<http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/29/magazine/will-israel-attack-iran.ht...>: > > “The Iranians are, after all, a nation whose leaders have set themselves a > > strategic goal of wiping Israel off the map.” > > > Last year, after President Obama told the United Nations General > > Assembly<http://youtu.be/RKbOOVsCom4?t=50s>that Israel, “looks out at a > > world where leaders of much larger nations > > threaten to wipe it off of the map,” Glenn Kessler, the editor of The > > Washington Post’s Fact-Checker blog, > > criticized<http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-ahmadinejad...>everyone > > “who has blithely repeated the phrase,” including himself. > > > http://youtu.be/RKbOOVsCom4 > > > In his post, Mr. Kessler reported that the picture gets murkier when those > > words from 2005 are set against other Iranian propaganda: > > > Karim Sadjadpour, an Iranian specialist at the Carnegie Endowment for > > International Peace, notes that Iranian government entities began to erect > > billboards and signs with the “wipe off” phrase in English. Joshua > > Teitelbaum<http://jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DBID=1&TMID=610&LNGID=1&F...>of > > the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs compiled an interesting > > collection of photographs of these banners, such as one on the building > > that houses reserve military forces of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard > > Corps. “Israel should be wiped out of the face of the world,” the sign > > reads in English. > > > As Mr. Kessler noted, Mr. Teitelbaum’s report, “written from a pro-Israel > > perspective,” includes several images of similar > > ... > > read more » -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
