Hey Plain Ol! You're right. It's a global, international concern, of which the United States leads the way over "concern".
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:29 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]>wrote: > "Mr. Meridor also pointed out that Iran’s leaders have continued to > deny > Israel’s right to exist and used highly inflammatory terms to describe > the > state. > --- > not an American concern > > On Oct 13, 2:57 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > Move along folks.....Nothing here to see...... > > > > This is pretty much covered in the article that I initially posted. > > Nevertheless, there are billboards around Tehran calling for the end-all > > destruction of Israel, that are sponsored by the Iranian government! > > > > From your article: > > > > "Mr. Meridor also pointed out that Iran’s leaders have continued to deny > > Israel’s right to exist and used highly inflammatory terms to describe > the > > state. After Ayatollah Khameneicompared Israel to a cancerous > > tumor< > http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/iran-says-it-launched.. > .>in > > February adding, it “should be cut off” Mr. Meridor noted those > > remarks were echoed by the president just last month. “Israel is > unnatural, > > it will not exist, it’s on the verge of collapse,” Mr. Meridor said. > “When > > you hear this from these people, you need to take it seriously.” > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 12:49 AM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > At 06:43 AM 9/17/2012, you wrote: > > > > > Once again, the likes of Sheldon Richman and Justin Raimondo (through > > > Antiwar.com, which is where Richman chooses to obtain his "facts" > from) > > > try to pervert the truth. I assume, (although it's hard to understand > > > especially Raimondo's goal in anything....In Raimondo's case, he's > just a > > > goofy crackpot who like to hear himself talk and see himself in print) > that > > > the goal here is to portray the American government as insistent on > > > attacking Iran, and that whole "Blood For Oil" theory that both love > so > > > much......Needless to say, that Richman's and Raimondo's very existence > > > depend upon petroelum products, from the food that they inhale to the > > > nasty drawers on their backsides. > > > > > Here are but just a few of the examples of: "Iranian leader[s] > > > threaten[ing] Israel with annihilation" > > > > > April 17, 2012, *7:11 pm > > > **Israeli Minister Agrees Ahmadinejad Never Said Israel ‘Must Be Wiped > > > Off the Map’ > > > *By ROBERT MACKEY < > http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/author/robert-mackey/> > > > > > http://youtu.be/Rb7pemOiO2s > > > > > *Updated | Wednesday | 4:43 p.m. *In a reminder that Persian rhetoric > is > > > not always easy for English-speakers to interpret, a senior Israeli > > > official has acknowledged that Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, > never > > > actually said that Israel “must be wiped off the map.” > > > > > Those words were attributed to Mr. Ahmadinejad in 2005< > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/world/africa/26iht-iran.html>, > > > in English translations of his speech< > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/weekinreview/30iran.html?pagewanted...>to > a “World Without Zionism” conference that October. As my colleague Ethan > > > Bronner reported the next year< > https://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/weekinreview/11bronner.html>, > > > one problem was translating a metaphorical turn of phrase in Persian > that > > > has no exact English equivalent there was, for instance, no mention > of a > > > map and there was a heated debate about whether the original > statement > > > was a threat or a prediction. > > > > > Last week, Teymoor Nabili of Al Jazeera suggested during an interview > > > with Dan Meridor <http://youtu.be/Rb7pemOiO2s?t=3m53s>, Israel’s > minister > > > of intelligence and atomic energy, that Mr. Ahmadinejad’s rhetorical > > > flourish had been misinterpreted. “This idea that Iran wants to wipe > Israel > > > out,” Mr. Nabili said, “now that’s a common trope that is put about by > a > > > lot of people in Israel, a lot of people in the United States, but as > we > > > know Ahmadinejad didn’t say that he plans to exterminate Israel, nor > did he > > > say that Iran’s policy is to exterminate Israel.” > > > > > In response, Mr. Meridor said that Mr. Ahmadinejad and Iran’s ruling > > > cleric, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, had said repeatedly “that Israel is an > > > unnatural creature, it will not survive. They didn’t say, ‘We’ll wipe > it > > > out,’ you’re right, but, ‘It will not survive.’ ” > > > > > Mr. Meridor also pointed out that Iran’s leaders have continued to deny > > > Israel’s right to exist and used highly inflammatory terms to describe > the > > > state. After Ayatollah Khamenei compared Israel to a cancerous tumor< > http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/iran-says-it-launched...>in > February adding, it “should be cut off” Mr. Meridor noted those > > > remarks were echoed by the president just last month. “Israel is > unnatural, > > > it will not exist, it’s on the verge of collapse,” Mr. Meridor said. > “When > > > you hear this from these people, you need to take it seriously.” > > > > > As the Guardian columnist Jonathan Steele explained in 2006< > http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/jun/02/comment.usa>, > > > a more direct translation of Mr. Ahmadinejad’s remarks would be: “this > > > regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time,” echoing > a > > > statement once made by the founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran, > > > Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. > > > > > In an English translation< > http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/1510.htm>three days after the > speech in 2005, the Middle East Media Research > > > Institute, or Memri which was founded by a former Israeli > intelligence > > > officer rendered the sentence in a similar way: “Imam [Khomeini] > said: > > > ‘This regime that is occupying Qods [Jerusalem] must be eliminated > from the > > > pages of history.’” > > > > > In an interview with The Lede on Tuesday, Hooman Majd, an > Iranian-American > > > writer whose father was an ambassador under the Shah, pointed out that > Mr. > > > Ahmadinejad had slightly misquoted Ayatollah Khomeini, using the > Persian > > > word for “page” instead of a similar-sounding word for “scene or > stage.” > > > > > Mr. Majd, who once did a cameo as Mr. Ahmadinejad’s translator< > http://www.observer.com/2006/10/mahmoud-and-me/>at the United Nations, > also noted that in the original speech, the Iranian > > > president had argued that while the end of Israeli rule over > Jerusalem, the > > > third holiest city in Islam, might seem impossible to imagine, the end > of > > > the Shah’s rule and the collapse of the Soviet Union both proved that > > > change on that scale was possible. > > > > > The author, who recently spent time in Tehran, suggested that Mr. > > > Ahmadinejad has perhaps made so little effort to explain that he was > > > misquoted because he relishes his image as a sworn enemy of Israel, and > > > would not want to be seen as stepping back from even threatening > remarks he > > > did not make. > > > > > Still, over the years, the original misinterpretation of Mr. > Ahmadinejad’s > > > remarks has been so often repeated that it has become a kind of > shorthand. > > > “In my conversations with Americans,” Mr. Majd said, very often they > > > respond to the name Ahmadinejad by saying, “He wants to eliminate > Israel.” > > > > > Mr. Majd added that reformers inside Iran call Mr. Ahmadinejad’s > posturing > > > “very damaging,” and blame his repeated and quite accurately > translated > > > statements denying the Holocaust, “for inflaming this Iranophobia that > > > exists in the West.” > > > > > Although there is general agreement now among translators and scholars > > > that Mr. Ahmadinejad did not commit his country to the project of > > > destroying the state of Israel in that 2005 speech, the phrase that was > > > wrongly attributed to him then remains so firmly rooted in the popular > > > imagination that it is frequently used as evidence of Iran’s genocidal > > > intentions. > > > > > During a visit to the White House last month, on the eve of the Jewish > > > festival of Purim, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel > presented > > > President Obama with a copy of the Book of Esther, which recounts the > > > tale of a Persian leader who wanted to annihilate the Jews< > http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2012/0307/Netanyahu-gives...>. > > > “Then, too, they wanted to wipe us out,” Mr. Netanyahu told the > president< > http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/netanyahu-tells-obama-i...> > > > . > > > > > In January, Ehud Barak, the Israeli defense minister, told a New York > > > Times Magazine writer< > http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/29/magazine/will-israel-attack-iran.ht...>: > > > “The Iranians are, after all, a nation whose leaders have set > themselves a > > > strategic goal of wiping Israel off the map.” > > > > > Last year, after President Obama told the United Nations General > Assembly<http://youtu.be/RKbOOVsCom4?t=50s>that Israel, “looks out at a > world where leaders of much larger nations > > > threaten to wipe it off of the map,” Glenn Kessler, the editor of The > > > Washington Post’s Fact-Checker blog, criticized< > http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-ahmadinejad...>everyone > “who has blithely repeated the phrase,” including himself. > > > > > http://youtu.be/RKbOOVsCom4 > > > > > In his post, Mr. Kessler reported that the picture gets murkier when > those > > > words from 2005 are set against other Iranian propaganda: > > > > > Karim Sadjadpour, an Iranian specialist at the Carnegie Endowment for > > > International Peace, notes that Iranian government entities began to > erect > > > billboards and signs with the “wipe off” phrase in English. Joshua > > > Teitelbaum< > http://jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DBID=1&TMID=610&LNGID=1&F...>of > the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs compiled an interesting > > > collection of photographs of these banners, such as one on the building > > > that houses reserve military forces of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard > > > Corps. “Israel should be wiped out of the face of the world,” the sign > > > reads in English. > > > > > As Mr. Kessler noted, Mr. Teitelbaum’s report, “written from a > pro-Israel > > > perspective,” includes several images of similar > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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