until we have another government which is more decisive and influential --- kit ... always the interventionist. the egyptians barely evaded a civil war even with a meddling US government giving them military aid to the tune of $1.3 BILLION of our tax dollars each year.
fwiw - I just visited ft. sumpter. it was an excellent reminder of US intervention. On Monday, July 8, 2013 9:45:30 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > > Hello Plain Ol'! > > (Long Time.....No Talk To! At least it seems that way to me!) > > I watched the demonstrations in Egypt with rapt attention and literally > with amazement. I have been following the conditions in Egypt for the last > year or so, since Morsi's election; and no doubt the living conditions > and standard of living has deteriorated rapidly, on a number of fronts. > I've heard reports that if the same trends continued, the Nation would be > suffering from serious food shortages and would not be able to feed itself > by the end of 2013. > > I also remember hearing a number of Egyptians interviewed a little over a > year ago who were not necessarily enthralled with Morsi and the Egyptian > Brotherhood, but like us, many chose the Muslim Brotherhood and Morsi as > "the lesser of the three or four evils/other choices". > > If anything, the Egyptian Military seems to be the one, stabilizing force > through at least the contemporary history of Egypt. Through the 1940s, > and Nassir, the military has been relatively in control of Egypt, and if > anything its conflict with Israel was a unifying force. > > I don't think that anyone in the Middle East has any respect for the Obama > Administration. If we can just keep a low profile until we have another > government which is more decisive and influential, I dare say that is > would be in the best interests of the United States. > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:34 PM, plainolamerican > <[email protected]<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> No transition to democracy comes without difficulty, but in the end it >> must stay true to the will of the people. >> --- >> please examine your motives carefully. >> democracy is not the answer. >> >> On Monday, July 8, 2013 8:23:44 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>> >>> I just left this on Bare Naked Islam's comment section: >>> >>> >>> I am a conservative libertarian, and abhor most all of the Obama >>> Administration's national and foreign policy actions and decisions. I also >>> salute the Blog, "Bare Naked Islam"; and find most of the articles >>> enlightening and thought provoking. >>> >>> This article however regarding the Obama Administration's statement >>> regarding the military coup of Egyptian President Morsi is misleading and >>> taken out of context. >>> >>> Here's the Obama Administration's actual statement: >>> >>> As I have said since the Egyptian Revolution, the United States supports >>> a set of core principles, including opposition to violence, protection of >>> universal human rights, and reform that meets the legitimate aspirations of >>> the people. The United States does not support particular individuals or >>> political parties, but we are committed to the democratic process and >>> respect for the rule of law. Since the current unrest in Egypt began, we >>> have called on all parties to work together to address the legitimate >>> grievances of the Egyptian people, in accordance with the democratic >>> process, and without recourse to violence or the use of force. >>> >>> The United States is monitoring the very fluid situation in Egypt, and >>> we believe that ultimately the future of Egypt can only be determined by >>> the Egyptian people. Nevertheless, we are deeply concerned by the decision >>> of the Egyptian Armed Forces to remove President Morsy and suspend the >>> Egyptian constitution. I now call on the Egyptian military to move quickly >>> and responsibly to return full authority back to a democratically elected >>> civilian government as soon as possible through an inclusive and >>> transparent process, and to avoid any arbitrary arrests of President Morsy >>> and his supporters. Given today’s developments, I have also directed the >>> relevant departments and agencies to review the implications under U.S. law >>> for our assistance to the Government of Egypt. >>> The United States continues to believe firmly that the best foundation >>> for lasting stability in Egypt is a democratic political order with >>> participation from all sides and all political parties —secular and >>> religious, civilian and military. During this uncertain period, we expect >>> the military to ensure that the rights of all Egyptian men and women are >>> protected, including the right to peaceful assembly, due process, and free >>> and fair trials in civilian courts. Moreover, the goal of any political >>> process should be a government that respects the rights of all people, >>> majority and minority; that institutionalizes the checks and balances upon >>> which democracy depends; and that places the interests of the people above >>> party or faction. The voices of all those who have protested peacefully >>> must be heard – including those who welcomed today’s developments, and >>> those who have supported President Morsy. In the interim, I urge all sides >>> to avoid violence and come together to ensure the lasting restoration of >>> Egypt’s democracy. >>> >>> No transition to democracy comes without difficulty, but in the end it >>> must stay true to the will of the people. An honest, capable and >>> representative government is what ordinary Egyptians seek and what they >>> deserve. The longstanding partnership between the United States and Egypt >>> is based on shared interests and values, and we will continue to work with >>> the Egyptian people to ensure that Egypt’s transition to democracy succeeds. >>> >> -- >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "PoliticalForum" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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