Good Morning Plain Ol'! First, I love Fort Sumter! I hope ya'll had a good time while down in Charleston, one of my favorite cities!
Finally, I knew when I was typing that line that you would respond, and that statement by me does not really reflect what I meant to convey. It is in the our national interests to keep the Suez Canal open, as well as the Straights of Hormuz, not to mention that it is in the the United States' as well as it's European allies' interests to have a stable Egypt and Middle East. Whether you like it, or don't like it; like crack addicts, we are dependent upon the oil from the region. Any other view is non-sensical and "Isolationist". On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:00 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]>wrote: > until we have another government which is more decisive and influential > --- > kit ... always the interventionist. > the egyptians barely evaded a civil war even with a meddling US government > giving them military aid to the tune of $1.3 BILLION of our tax dollars > each year. > > fwiw - I just visited ft. sumpter. it was an excellent reminder of US > intervention. > > > On Monday, July 8, 2013 9:45:30 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > >> Hello Plain Ol'! >> >> (Long Time.....No Talk To! At least it seems that way to me!) >> >> I watched the demonstrations in Egypt with rapt attention and literally >> with amazement. I have been following the conditions in Egypt for the last >> year or so, since Morsi's election; and no doubt the living conditions >> and standard of living has deteriorated rapidly, on a number of fronts. >> I've heard reports that if the same trends continued, the Nation would be >> suffering from serious food shortages and would not be able to feed itself >> by the end of 2013. >> >> I also remember hearing a number of Egyptians interviewed a little over >> a year ago who were not necessarily enthralled with Morsi and the Egyptian >> Brotherhood, but like us, many chose the Muslim Brotherhood and Morsi as >> "the lesser of the three or four evils/other choices". >> >> If anything, the Egyptian Military seems to be the one, stabilizing >> force through at least the contemporary history of Egypt. Through the >> 1940s, and Nassir, the military has been relatively in control of Egypt, >> and if anything its conflict with Israel was a unifying force. >> >> I don't think that anyone in the Middle East has any respect for the >> Obama Administration. If we can just keep a low profile until we have >> another government which is more decisive and influential, I dare say that >> is would be in the best interests of the United States. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:34 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> No transition to democracy comes without difficulty, but in the end it >>> must stay true to the will of the people. >>> --- >>> please examine your motives carefully. >>> democracy is not the answer. >>> >>> On Monday, July 8, 2013 8:23:44 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>> >>>> I just left this on Bare Naked Islam's comment section: >>>> >>>> >>>> I am a conservative libertarian, and abhor most all of the Obama >>>> Administration's national and foreign policy actions and decisions. I also >>>> salute the Blog, "Bare Naked Islam"; and find most of the articles >>>> enlightening and thought provoking. >>>> >>>> This article however regarding the Obama Administration's statement >>>> regarding the military coup of Egyptian President Morsi is misleading and >>>> taken out of context. >>>> >>>> Here's the Obama Administration's actual statement: >>>> >>>> As I have said since the Egyptian Revolution, the United States >>>> supports a set of core principles, including opposition to violence, >>>> protection of universal human rights, and reform that meets the legitimate >>>> aspirations of the people. The United States does not support particular >>>> individuals or political parties, but we are committed to the democratic >>>> process and respect for the rule of law. Since the current unrest in Egypt >>>> began, we have called on all parties to work together to address the >>>> legitimate grievances of the Egyptian people, in accordance with the >>>> democratic process, and without recourse to violence or the use of force. >>>> >>>> The United States is monitoring the very fluid situation in Egypt, and >>>> we believe that ultimately the future of Egypt can only be determined by >>>> the Egyptian people. Nevertheless, we are deeply concerned by the decision >>>> of the Egyptian Armed Forces to remove President Morsy and suspend the >>>> Egyptian constitution. I now call on the Egyptian military to move quickly >>>> and responsibly to return full authority back to a democratically elected >>>> civilian government as soon as possible through an inclusive and >>>> transparent process, and to avoid any arbitrary arrests of President Morsy >>>> and his supporters. Given today’s developments, I have also directed the >>>> relevant departments and agencies to review the implications under U.S. law >>>> for our assistance to the Government of Egypt. >>>> The United States continues to believe firmly that the best foundation >>>> for lasting stability in Egypt is a democratic political order with >>>> participation from all sides and all political parties —secular and >>>> religious, civilian and military. During this uncertain period, we expect >>>> the military to ensure that the rights of all Egyptian men and women are >>>> protected, including the right to peaceful assembly, due process, and free >>>> and fair trials in civilian courts. Moreover, the goal of any political >>>> process should be a government that respects the rights of all people, >>>> majority and minority; that institutionalizes the checks and balances upon >>>> which democracy depends; and that places the interests of the people above >>>> party or faction. The voices of all those who have protested peacefully >>>> must be heard – including those who welcomed today’s developments, and >>>> those who have supported President Morsy. In the interim, I urge all sides >>>> to avoid violence and come together to ensure the lasting restoration of >>>> Egypt’s democracy. >>>> >>>> No transition to democracy comes without difficulty, but in the end it >>>> must stay true to the will of the people. An honest, capable and >>>> representative government is what ordinary Egyptians seek and what they >>>> deserve. The longstanding partnership between the United States and Egypt >>>> is based on shared interests and values, and we will continue to work with >>>> the Egyptian people to ensure that Egypt’s transition to democracy >>>> succeeds. >>>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options & help see >>> http://groups.google.com/**group/PoliticalForum<http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum> >>> >>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>> * It's active and moderated. 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