we are dependent upon the oil from the region. --- so you condone imperialist policies in the middle east and killing muzzies for oil. ok.
On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 8:34:10 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > > Good Morning Plain Ol'! > > First, I love Fort Sumter! I hope ya'll had a good time while down in > Charleston, one of my favorite cities! > > Finally, I knew when I was typing that line that you would respond, and > that statement by me does not really reflect what I meant to convey. > > It is in the our national interests to keep the Suez Canal open, as well > as the Straights of Hormuz, not to mention that it is in the the United > States' as well as it's European allies' interests to have a stable Egypt > and Middle East. Whether you like it, or don't like it; like crack > addicts, we are dependent upon the oil from the region. > > Any other view is non-sensical and "Isolationist". > > > > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:00 AM, plainolamerican > <[email protected]<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> until we have another government which is more decisive and influential >> --- >> kit ... always the interventionist. >> the egyptians barely evaded a civil war even with a meddling US >> government giving them military aid to the tune of $1.3 BILLION of our >> tax dollars each year. >> >> fwiw - I just visited ft. sumpter. it was an excellent reminder of US >> intervention. >> >> >> On Monday, July 8, 2013 9:45:30 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >> >>> Hello Plain Ol'! >>> >>> (Long Time.....No Talk To! At least it seems that way to me!) >>> >>> I watched the demonstrations in Egypt with rapt attention and literally >>> with amazement. I have been following the conditions in Egypt for the last >>> year or so, since Morsi's election; and no doubt the living conditions >>> and standard of living has deteriorated rapidly, on a number of fronts. >>> I've heard reports that if the same trends continued, the Nation would be >>> suffering from serious food shortages and would not be able to feed itself >>> by the end of 2013. >>> >>> I also remember hearing a number of Egyptians interviewed a little over >>> a year ago who were not necessarily enthralled with Morsi and the Egyptian >>> Brotherhood, but like us, many chose the Muslim Brotherhood and Morsi as >>> "the lesser of the three or four evils/other choices". >>> >>> If anything, the Egyptian Military seems to be the one, stabilizing >>> force through at least the contemporary history of Egypt. Through the >>> 1940s, and Nassir, the military has been relatively in control of Egypt, >>> and if anything its conflict with Israel was a unifying force. >>> >>> I don't think that anyone in the Middle East has any respect for the >>> Obama Administration. If we can just keep a low profile until we have >>> another government which is more decisive and influential, I dare say that >>> is would be in the best interests of the United States. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:34 PM, plainolamerican >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> No transition to democracy comes without difficulty, but in the end it >>>> must stay true to the will of the people. >>>> --- >>>> please examine your motives carefully. >>>> democracy is not the answer. >>>> >>>> On Monday, July 8, 2013 8:23:44 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I just left this on Bare Naked Islam's comment section: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am a conservative libertarian, and abhor most all of the Obama >>>>> Administration's national and foreign policy actions and decisions. I >>>>> also >>>>> salute the Blog, "Bare Naked Islam"; and find most of the articles >>>>> enlightening and thought provoking. >>>>> >>>>> This article however regarding the Obama Administration's statement >>>>> regarding the military coup of Egyptian President Morsi is misleading >>>>> and >>>>> taken out of context. >>>>> >>>>> Here's the Obama Administration's actual statement: >>>>> >>>>> As I have said since the Egyptian Revolution, the United States >>>>> supports a set of core principles, including opposition to violence, >>>>> protection of universal human rights, and reform that meets the >>>>> legitimate >>>>> aspirations of the people. The United States does not support particular >>>>> individuals or political parties, but we are committed to the democratic >>>>> process and respect for the rule of law. Since the current unrest in >>>>> Egypt >>>>> began, we have called on all parties to work together to address the >>>>> legitimate grievances of the Egyptian people, in accordance with the >>>>> democratic process, and without recourse to violence or the use of force. >>>>> >>>>> The United States is monitoring the very fluid situation in Egypt, and >>>>> we believe that ultimately the future of Egypt can only be determined by >>>>> the Egyptian people. Nevertheless, we are deeply concerned by the >>>>> decision >>>>> of the Egyptian Armed Forces to remove President Morsy and suspend the >>>>> Egyptian constitution. I now call on the Egyptian military to move >>>>> quickly >>>>> and responsibly to return full authority back to a democratically elected >>>>> civilian government as soon as possible through an inclusive and >>>>> transparent process, and to avoid any arbitrary arrests of President >>>>> Morsy >>>>> and his supporters. Given today’s developments, I have also directed the >>>>> relevant departments and agencies to review the implications under U.S. >>>>> law >>>>> for our assistance to the Government of Egypt. >>>>> The United States continues to believe firmly that the best foundation >>>>> for lasting stability in Egypt is a democratic political order with >>>>> participation from all sides and all political parties —secular and >>>>> religious, civilian and military. During this uncertain period, we expect >>>>> the military to ensure that the rights of all Egyptian men and women are >>>>> protected, including the right to peaceful assembly, due process, and >>>>> free >>>>> and fair trials in civilian courts. Moreover, the goal of any political >>>>> process should be a government that respects the rights of all people, >>>>> majority and minority; that institutionalizes the checks and balances >>>>> upon >>>>> which democracy depends; and that places the interests of the people >>>>> above >>>>> party or faction. The voices of all those who have protested peacefully >>>>> must be heard – including those who welcomed today’s developments, and >>>>> those who have supported President Morsy. In the interim, I urge all >>>>> sides >>>>> to avoid violence and come together to ensure the lasting restoration of >>>>> Egypt’s democracy. >>>>> >>>>> No transition to democracy comes without difficulty, but in the end >>>>> it must stay true to the will of the people. An honest, capable and >>>>> representative government is what ordinary Egyptians seek and what they >>>>> deserve. 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