> On 09 Jun 2020, at 23:29, yuv <post...@sfina.com> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 2020-06-09 at 01:16 -0600, @lbutlr wrote:
>>> On 08 Jun 2020, at 16:21, yuv <post...@sfina.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some of [the alternatives to internet email] will achieve scale as
>>> well.  At some point, the cost/benefit analysis of maintaining
>>> internet email vs. using alternatives such as SMS will tilt
>>> obviously against email
>> 
>> Sure it will. It hasn't happened yet, and I don't think it will
>> happen (SMS is garbage), but it is still irrelevant to the topic.
> 
> It may be irrelevant to the topic, but your statement characterizes the
> troll perfectly well.

I think you have a problem.

>>> and that's where "most admins" will regret their narrow view. 
>> 
>> How do you figure? You think we run Mailservers because we are
>> emotionally invested in the idea of email as the ONE TRUE INFORMATION
>> EXCHANGE? Nope. We are mail admins because we and our users need
>> email. As soon as that is no longer the case I will gleefully switch
>> to the better thing.
> 
> ... but I have zero tolerance for the arrogant attribution of your
> preconceived notions.

And now I *know* you have a problem.

> My thoughts are far from your wishful dreaming.  All things being
> equal, internet email is less interesting when it is less reliable and
> more spammy, both of which are direct consequences of your myopia.

My myopia is "if you do this, you will be t4chnically correct but you will lose 
mail that you might want. The choice is yours.

Then you attack me.

So guess what? Do what you want. If you do not want advice, DO NOT ASK FOR IT. 
If you do not want to know what the consequences are, DON'T ASK. Iuf you are 
pretending to wonder why something is, but do not


> The question is not "do you want to receive that
> email?"

That is the ONLY question for the vast majority of mail users. They do not give 
a damn about protocols, they want their email.

> The question is "do you want your message delivered reliably
> according to protocol"

Protocols are nice. Getting mail users want is much more important.

But again, do whatever you want. No one else cares. If you have paying 
customers, they will care and if enough mail doesn't arrive, they will leave. 
If you a BOFH with users at your mercy then they can't leave, but when the CEO 
fails to get mail because of your politics, you're getting fired.

Again, your choice.

> By the time "your" users will no longer need you, you may find that the
> competitive landscape has shifted under your feet.  And they may
> gleefully leave you and your baggage behind.  Abandonware.

I've blocked all further mails from you. Do not contact me.





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