Dear Faruq, i agree with you that we should condemn all act of violance regardless of religions... in Christianity..there're no such thing as radicals or fundies.., personally i dont believe it..., if christian fundalism taught to hate others or persecute others..i truly against them..and condemn such act.. and perhaps we re failed to emphatize with our fellow moslem abt their feelings and their condition regarding pressures and things that they had been thru, our lack of knowledge and personal judgement and more over our trauma towards moslem ppl seems sometimes blinded our heart.., sometimes we only see half of the probs not the whole picture.., we oftens fails to see the real issue but focus on the past-trauma. and sometimes we generalise all moslem but failed to see them as a person, and as our brothers and sisters which part of the world, it's our ignorance too see beyond that in fact moslem ppl also sufferred and they also hurt.., therefore for all of those things, please accept my deepest apology on behalf of every Christian in this milis... ur statement below is shown that to learn and accept differences re to admit our own failures towards ppl which re different from us especially moslem ppl.., it's like looking into the mirror and see our own reflection.., thank you for the reminder..it's definitely a precious lesson..for me especially..
Rgds, Carla Faruq Saniyasnain <[EMAIL PROTECTED] o.co.uk> To Sent by: ppiindia@yahoogroups.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc ups.com Subject Re: [ppiindia] Re: Muslim moderat 05/23/2005 01:26 dan kristen moderat. to true-misty AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com true misty, anda sibuk meminta kaum muslim moderat untuk bersikap ini dan itu. sikap kami jelas mengutuk setiap perilaku radikalisme dalam bentuk yg manapun dan dalam level apapun: lokal maupun internasional. sekarang anda di posisi mana? kristen moderat atau militan? kalau moderat, terus apa yg anda lakukan sebagai kristen moderat? sudahkah anda mengutuk perilaku kalangan kristen fundamentalis? to be honest, saya tidak melihat sikap kristen moderat di sini yg well-informed dan pantas diajak diskusi dan share common platform dalam menghadapi radikalisme agama atau radikalisme penganut agama masing2. saya tidak melihat kalangan kristen di sini yg tampak terkesan moderat tapi ketika membahas, misalnya, serangan invasi ilegal bush ke irak malah membela habis2an. tak bersuara atas kasus skandal abu ghuraib, tak bersuara ketika terjadi human right abuses di guantanamo prison. ada dua kemungkinan hal itu (kediaman rekan2 kristen) atas fenomena di atas. pertama, mereka bukan moderat dan sepaham dg garis kenan ideologi neokon bush. kedua, mereka sebenarnya 'moderat' tapi ill-informed atas fenomena internasional. kedua kemungkinan itu sama2 buruk: sama2 tak layak diajak berwacana, karena tak akan nyambung. di sisi lain, dalam level lokal, ada kecenderungan yg sama: kalangan kristen (saya tidak tahu apakah mereka moderat atau fundamentalis) di milis ini yg terkesan manja dan 'cerewet': terlalu banyak menuntut tanpa sedikitpun memberi. sangat kritis pada islam dan muslim, tapi terkesan tidur pada apa saja yg dilakukan/diomongkan sesamanya. mari kita kritis pada radikalisme yg dilakukan siapapun, baik oleh yg seagama dg kita atau tidak. kalau common platform hanya didasarkan kesamaan agama, pembicaraan tidak akan pernah berakhir dg common-platform berdasarkan kesamaan bangsa. salam, --- In ppiindia@yahoogroups.com, Geger Indonesiary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... >dan saya herannya semua manusia di miliis ini yang mengaku >islam moderat diam saja, tdk pernah kongkrit. kasus dewa, >kasus keganasan FPI, ambon, poso, semuanya diam. dengan >komentar mereka tdk mewakili islam itu sendiri. ... Faruq Saniyasnain (Manchester) ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - want a free and easy way to contact your friends online? http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** Berdikusi dg Santun & Elegan, dg Semangat Persahabatan. Menuju Indonesia yg Lebih Baik, in Commonality & Shared Destiny. www.ppi-india.org *************************************************************************** __________________________________________________________________________ Mohon Perhatian: 1. Harap tdk. memposting/reply yg menyinggung SARA (kecuali sbg otokritik) 2. Pesan yg akan direply harap dihapus, kecuali yg akan dikomentari. 3. Lihat arsip sebelumnya, www.ppi-india.da.ru; 4. Satu email perhari: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. No-email/web only: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6. kembali menerima email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> In low income neighborhoods, 84% do not own computers. At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide! http://us.click.yahoo.com/HO7EnA/3MnJAA/E2hLAA/BRUplB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> *************************************************************************** Berdikusi dg Santun & Elegan, dg Semangat Persahabatan. Menuju Indonesia yg Lebih Baik, in Commonality & Shared Destiny. www.ppi-india.org *************************************************************************** __________________________________________________________________________ Mohon Perhatian: 1. Harap tdk. memposting/reply yg menyinggung SARA (kecuali sbg otokritik) 2. Pesan yg akan direply harap dihapus, kecuali yg akan dikomentari. 3. Lihat arsip sebelumnya, www.ppi-india.da.ru; 4. Satu email perhari: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. No-email/web only: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6. kembali menerima email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ppiindia/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/