Lina Dahlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:          Pengkhianat akan tetap 
tertancap pada pendiri Ahmadiyah. Sedang 
pengikutnya sekarang ini hanya merupakan korban.

  +++ Soal  pendiri Ahmadyah pengkhianat bangsa pakistan atau tidak, adalah 
bagian sejarah bangsa  Pakistan. Bagi kita non Pakistani, kita lebih baik 
menilai dampak sejarah Pakistan bagi bangsa lain. 
  -------------
Saya tidak mempermasalahkan Gerakan Ahmadiyah sekarang ini. Namun 
bagaimana mungkin seorang yang telah mengorbankan umat Islam lainnya 
di pakistan untuk dibunuhi penjajah pada saat itu untuk kepentingan 
diri sendiri or golongannya, dapat dijadikan seorang nabi???
   
  Benarkah rakyat Pakistan dibunuh karena pemimpin Ahmadyah? Pernahkah Ahmadyah 
menggunakan kekerasan, seperti yang dilakukan umat Islam di Pakistan kini? 
Bukankah terrorist dari segala penjuru dunia dididik di Pakistan, diantaranya 
terrorist asal Indonesia, dan ini oleh umat Islam standard? Pernahkah umat 
Ahmadyah meledakkan bom?
  -------------

Saya bisa maklum kalo seorang seperti Snock Hogrounye (?). Dia bukan 
muslim namun mempelajari Islam untuk menghancurkan Islam. Snockpun 
tidak dianggap nabi. Tapi seorang MGA??? dibayar untuk itu oleh Ratu.
   
  +++ Umat Islam cukup mempunyai pengkhianat dari kalangan Muslim, DI TII 
misalnya, dan banyak lagi lainnya hingga kini.
  ----------------------

Apa yang bisa Ahmadiyah lakukan tanpa support dari Inggris?? 
Membangun university ? Mesjid megah?
  Apa ahmadiyah berhasil membangun mesjid di Amerika??
  
++++ tanyakan pada umat Ahmadyah. Sejauh yang saya ketahui dari beberapa 
kenalan di US, ya mereka mampu kumnpulkan dana untuk kegiatan sosial dan 
pendidikan. Orang islam pertanma yang mendapat hadiah Nobel, bukan jebolan 
Ngruki, bukan anggota Hisbut Tahir, bukan orang MUI, tetapi orang Ahmadyah
  ---------
Itu semua politik bulshit!
  +++ Bullshit atau tidak, sumbangan Ahmadyah bagi kemanusiaan cukup tercatat 
dalam sejarah. Lebih besar dari sumbangsih umat Islam Indonesia secara 
keseluruhan (kecuali meluapkan lumpur Lapindo).
   
  BTW PAKEM tidak melarang ajaran Ahmadyah. For your info!

wassalam,
--- In [email protected], Phyllobates Terribilis 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Kini Inggris tidak lagi bercokol di Pakistan (yang tetap amburadul 
itu), masihkan pendiri Ahmadyah atau seluruh kelompok ini 
mengkhianati Pakistan? pernahkah anda baca apa saja yang kelompok 
ini telah sumbangkan bagi dunia (misalnya dalam dunia pendidikan dan 
kesejahteraan sosial)? Tidakkah kini Pakistan dikhianati oleh tokoh 
tokoh islami? (sebagaimana juga Indonesia)?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Lina Dahlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The saints,
> MGA saja dianggap oleh orang Pakistans sebagai penkhianat bangsa 
> karena MGA dianggap "pion" Inggris untuk kepentingan penjajahan 
> Inggris di negara sana.
> 
> Saya heran sekali kaum ahmadi menutup mata akan fakta ini. Seorang 
> pengkhianat di anggap sebagai nabi???
> 
> wassalam,
> --- In [email protected], "Thesaints Now" <thesaintsnow@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > 200 JUTA MUSLIM AHMADIYAH di SELURUH DUNIA sedang memperhatikan 
> Indonesia
> > dan berdoa agar Rakyat Indonesia mendapatkan PERLINDUNGAN dari 
> ALLAH agar
> > tidak berbuat ZALIM atas dirinya sendiri MENGANIAYA sesama 
MUSLIM 
> hanya
> > karena Perbedaan PENAFSIRAN.
> > 
> > Seluruh WARGA AHMADIYAH di DUNIA berkat cepatnya jalur informasi 
> internet
> > juga sudah menyadari SIAPA sebenarnya dibalik Gerakan PENYESATAN 
> yang
> > mengganggu kehidupan Bernegara di beberapa Negara Muslim 
termasuk 
> yang ingin
> > mengacaukan Indonesia. Mudah-mudahan mereka semua sadar untuk 
> segera
> > menghentikan MAKARnya dan kembali menjadi manusia yang BERADAB.
> > 
> > 
> 
*http://www.neurope.eu/articles/81059.php*<http://www.neurope.eu/arti
> cles/81059.php>
> > 
> > *Islam means Peace*
> > 
> > *Ahmadiyya Muslims show path of love and tolerance*
> > 
> > *Author:* Tejinder Singh
> > 
> > 16 December 2007 - *Issue :* 760
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Muslim girls wave German flags and smile during the annual 
> meeting of the
> > Muslim Ahmadiyya reform congregation in Mannheim, Germany
> > 
> > ANA/EPA/RONALD WITTEK
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The clash of civilisations and talk of jihad are not non-
existent 
> in the
> > worldwide Ahmadiyya Muslim community, but used to condemn all 
> forms of
> > terrorism and highlight that Islam's true teaching is of love 
and 
> compassion
> > for all of God's Creation.
> > Denouncing the fear instilled among populations around the world 
> with the
> > justification of terrorism in the name of religion, Naseer Ahmed 
> Shahid,
> > missionary of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community in Belgium told 
Tejinder 
> Singh,
> > "Islam rejects any kind of violence and against any kind of 
people 
> or
> > religion." He said, "Islam means peace according to Arabic 
> lexicon," adding
> > that the Muslim greeting, "Assalaamo alyikum" means, "Peace be 
on 
> you."
> > Naseer said, "It will be hypocritical to say that and then use a 
> knife."
> > Explaining the inherent meaning of Jihad, Naseer told New 
> Europe, "Based on
> > sayings of the Prophet Mohammad and the words of Koran, the 
> greatest and
> > most significant Jihad is the fight against one's own evil. 
> Another Jihad is
> > to convey the message to other people through wisdom, good 
> behaviour and
> > logic, making friends out of even enemies." " Koran does not say 
> call to
> > Mohammad or Islam but call to Allah." "Smallest or least form of 
> Jihad is
> > that if because of one's faith, one gets attacked by people who 
> are around,
> > and then one can defend oneself," he argued. Reiterating that 
the 
> obligation
> > of every Muslim is to show love to all people, irrespective of 
> their
> > religion, caste, creed or race, Naseer said, "In this regard the 
> Ahmadiyya
> > Community wants to extinguish the fire of Jihad which is 
> misrepresented by
> > vested interests and misunderstood thus giving Islam a label of 
> intolerant
> > religion while the Ahmadiyya Community calls for 'Love for all, 
> hatred for
> > none.'"
> > The Ahmadiyya Community is trying to carry the message of love 
and
> > brotherhood of Islam through inter-faith conferences and trying 
> their best
> > to explain teachings of Islam through gatherings.
> > Asked to comment on punishments being meted out to media writers 
or
> > cartoonists, Naseer told New Europe, "Islam does not sanction 
> corporal
> > punishment against blasphemy and those judgments are more based 
on 
> personal
> > gains and wrong beliefs." There have been attacks on the 
Ahmadiyya 
> Community
> > in Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Indonesia in the recent 
> past but the
> > "Community has not responded with violence and sticks to the 
> principle of
> > the spirit of love for humanity and with out taking the law in 
our 
> hand we
> > only inform the authority to its responsibility to provide peace 
> and
> > security for every citizen of the country."
> > Going down memory lane, Naseer said, "The Ahmadiyya Community was
> > established in 1889 by Hadrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908) in 
a 
> small and
> > remote village, Qadian, in the Punjab, India . The Ahmadiyya 
Muslim
> > Community is a religious organisation, international in its 
scope, 
> with
> > branches in over 189 countries in Africa, North America, South
> > America, Asia, Australasia, and
> > Europe . It represents the most dynamic denomination of Islam in 
> modern
> > history, with worldwide membership of tens of millions."
> > Advocating "peace, tolerance, love and understanding among 
> followers of
> > different faiths," Naseer concluded, "The Community firmly 
> believes in and
> > acts upon the Qur'anic teaching: 'There is no compulsion in 
> religion.'
> > (2:257). It strongly rejects violence and terrorism in any form 
> and for any
> > reason."
> > 
> > 
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> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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