First of all I think your choice of subject is less fortunate, unless you are the one declaring of course. I, nor any of the other providers of colour management solutions are waging war - I (and I can of course only speak for myself here) oppose to blatant advertising without mentioning that that's what it is, and breaking the list guidelines.
Michael Harvey wrote: > > Thomas Holm / Pixl wrote: > >> I have little respect for this kind of hidden recommendation of yourself. If >> you want to use List servers to promote your services, at least be frank >> about it so people can decide for themselves whether you recommend someone >> because you like their service, or because you want other peoples money. > > I am not the sole benefactor of Profile-Lab.com. But a benefactor non the less. I'd suggest you actually make people aware of that when you recommend "their service", just like everyone else on this list does. > > My role is one of a researcher and educator. Wherever possible, I promote > and help introduce 3rd parties to issues of colour management and have often > recommended both your own and Niel Barstow's services on this very list. > > However, > > Unfortunately I think a little context is needed here. That's a lot of context totally irrelevant to my original query. The now very dead PRO-file scheme is dead and has been for a couple of years. If you want to bring that up, please start a separate thread. > > I joined the Prodig list on the 31 August 2000. I started working with colour management in 1993 (which doesn't have anything to do with anything either). Snip. > I take pride over the hours of research that I have enjoyed in developing > techniques for building profiles. However, as any good scientist, my > research is empirical. It is exactly this that has established the respect > that users of Profile-Lab profiles have come to enjoy. I'm not saying that you deliver a bad service, or that you are a bad scientist - or even a bad person - I'm saying I don't like you recommending your own services without being clear about it being your own services - As Captain Hook would say it: "Bad form"! snip >> Thomas Holm / Pixl wrote: >> >> Be purist then but live with the fact that your will never excel unless your >> printer is operating under circumstances where stability can be achieved: >> � Not a desktop printer, these ARE not generally stable. >> � Controlled temperature never deviating more than 1-2 degrees centigrade >> � Stable humidity environment never deviating more than 4-6 degrees >> RelHumidity. > > It is not up to me to define the tools that people choose to use in their > trade. I merely try to make those tools operate in as robust and predictable > a manner under the prevailing conditions. That is what 'real world' colour > management is all about. You are avoiding an answer: You hinted that averaging measurements prior to building profiles would lead to less optimal results (and that we could call you a purist should we want to for not averaging). The opposite is true, partly due to the above mentioned points. Please explain to me why averaging readings of multiple charts off the same printer leads to less optimal results under normal working environments (environments that are not totally controlled in regard to humidity and temperature)? >> Thomas Holm / Pixl wrote: >> >> I'd be interested in knowing what that "Clever Mix" of how testcharts are >> measured is please? >> This list is for sharing information, not pure marketing... > > The clever mix is specific to each unique user's setup. Different papers or > inks require an individual approach. Each individual user's goal needs to be > considered. I have often been asked to create a profile for a photographers > portfolio - specific to the subject matter and the predicted viewing > conditions. This has little to do with colour management but offers a degree > of control which was not available previously. Not much sharing in that reply is there? If you want to wage a war baste on "blinding with science" I'm game... > > If you look at my original post, I was merely presenting fact: > > Profile-Lab build profiles. > Profile-Lab have nearly 2 years of established experience and research > under their belt. > Profile-Lab charge �74 +vat per profile based on profiling 2 paper surfaces. > Profile-Lab worked with Silverprint to create an exhaustive inkjet paper > sample book to help buyers choose their media. Again I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is mentioning you can recommend someone's services, without clearly stating that it IS your own services. As you (probably don't) know advertising your own services is against the list guidelines unless you have a permission prior to posting from the list-mum. After having that permission it's pretty common to start the mail with: With kind permission from the list mum..." > > My involvement, I hope, is now clear. Now it is thanks. May I politely suggest that next time you want to recommend your own company you say something along the lines of "I can recommend Profile-lab whom I work for"? > > As Henry Miller once put it "The goal of life is not to possess power but to > radiate it." > As in "Clever-Mix"? > Giving individuals the means to navigate through what is for all > photographers - technologically "interesting times" is what I believe in. > We can agree on that. > Aldous Huxley said "...to have Idiocy with Ideology, to have Wars because of > Words, to have Tomorrow's Misdeeds out of Yesterday's Miscreeds?" Is what? It seems to me like the above quote is out of context - it seem to miss the initial part that makes the quote make sense eh? I'm not terribly good at fancy quotes, so I'll stick to this, and I have no idea who said it: "If you set out for revenge - dig two graves..." 'nuff said...' Thomas. =============================================================== GO TO http://www.prodig.org for ~ GUIDELINES ~ un/SUBSCRIBING ~ ITEMS for SALE
