Sorry if I sound a bit commercial, but I think FoxInCloud is a good candidate 
to fill the gap Jean mentions.

The point Jean raises is fully valid: when building a web app to replace an 
existing desktop app, a lot of $ is put OMB mastering the technology at the 
expense of rebuilding the business & user knowledge that was capitalized into 
the desktop app for years. At down the road application misses it's target of 
satisfying users needs, just because users don't want to accept / understand 
that a web app could deliver less than they previously got ... "hey, you just 
changed to a browser, why should it be different?"

And, from a user's standpoint, that's undoubtedly a valid argument.

We at FoxInCloud do view moving an app to the web as just adding another UI - 
web - to the application. There is no reason why all the accumulated user 
interaction and business competence should be lost because of a new user 
interface technology.

Software is not reborn because web app have appeared in 2005. Web app should, 
IMHO, just be the successor, the latest evolution for what was built over the 
25 past years.

Thierry Nivelet
http://foxincloud.com/
Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud

Le 2 mars 2012 à 23:29, Jean Laeremans <laeremans.jeanma...@gmail.com> a écrit :

> Well as i said i don't give etc... but we're not talking here about A
> web app. but a whole suite of them. The whole show has cost millions
> of euro's by now for over 7 years without much of a result so i do
> remain sceptical.
> 
> A+
> jml
> 
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Ed Leafe <e...@leafe.com> wrote:
>> On Mar 2, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Jean Laeremans wrote:
>> 
>>> Well Ed i'm in the rather fortunate position not to give 'a damn
>>> any-more ' but we do have our little intranet around here (some 80,000
>>> pcs) and now every app has to be a web (cloud) app - java + db2
>>> basically - and they're - to put it mildly - aren't doing very well.
>>> In fact i do consider it to be a rather expensive mistake.
>>> One solution fits all is sheer madness imo.
>>>        Ah, but considering a web app as "one solution" is misleading. What 
>>> you describe sounds more like a poorly-designed web app that is not 
>>> indicative of web apps in general. Just like when you hear someone claim 
>>> that VFP sucks because some joker wrote a crappy app in VFP for their 
>>> company once upon a time.
>> 
>>        Within Rackspace, all of our internal support and management apps are 
>> all web-based. That's really the only design that will scale as we 
>> simultaneously add customers, support techs, offices, etc. Rolling out new 
>> versions of desktop apps that have to support all sorts of devices would be 
>> prohibitive in a company that has to respond in internet time.
>> 
>>        In the late 90s I resisted the trend to web apps, because the 
>> interfaces were so godawful compared to desktop apps. That's all changed 
>> now; there are now much cleaner interfaces possible with the better 
>> Javascript toolkits than you can create in a UI toolkit such as wxPython or 
>> Gtk or KDE or any of the desktop UI toolkits.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- Ed Leafe
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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