I think your analogy is flawed.  I is more like loading with the kids, dog,
driving it to work and taking it on a vacation.  The OS is the vehicle you
drive, the applications are the tasks you perform with the vehicle.  If you
were to rewrite part of the OS, that would be equal to added a turbocharger.
Do you really think Mercedes would void your warranty or refuse to supply
service after you did any of these tings with your car?  I think not, but
even if they wouldn't service the car, they would sell the parts so you
could service the car.

Jim

 -----Original Message-----
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  On Behalf
Of Adam Buckland
Sent:   Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:18 AM
To:     ProFox Email List
Subject:        RE: [NF] OS Recalls, was: The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

You don't expect manufacturers to support your Ford when you have changed
the ignition, run a different type of fuel, have added a turbocharger, put
in an NO2 system, changed the seats and pimped it to a point where no one
would recognise it.

If we kept the PC exactly as it was sold to you then maybe they would be
able to offer a longer warranty, but we don't so they can't.

My laptop is two weeks old, in that time, I have removed Norton, added AVG,
added Office, Visual Studio, GNU Backgammon, Termlite, Ghostscript, Acrobat,
changed hundreds of settings on a product that cost £900 with an OS that
probably cost me less than £100.

If I had the option to do so many changes on my car and Mercedes still had
to support it with no ongoing maintenance revenue, you can be sure the cost
would more than double, maybe triple as a one off cost.

People won't pay ongoing service costs for an OS they want a one off cost,
so the only way to maintain revenue and fund bug fixes etc. is to introduce
new versions.

$0.02

::a


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Rick Schummer
Sent: 05 February 2007 21:03
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: [NF] OS Recalls, was: The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

>>And since MS isn't going to be selling or supporting their legacy OSes any
more, how are they
going to do that?<<

I warned you not to get me started on this. <g>

We discussed this very issue after the DAFUG meeting a couple of months ago.
I am not a fan of
legislating every darn thing in our lives, but I am leaning more towards
this one getting the
governments involved. It is my believe that all operating systems are
mission critical to almost
every human being in some fashion, and like cars should be subject to
recalls.

There are laws to force auto manufacturers to supply car parts for a long
time (I am not exactly
sure of the length of time). There are laws regulating cars that have safety
or engineering defects
get recalled and fixed for free (consumers do not have to pay for the fix
other than the loss of
their car while the dealer makes the correction).

I think the same type of rules can be applied to *all* operating systems.
The operating system has
bugs (engineering defects) that affect the safety of the users losing data
and work product. The
operating system obviously needs security patches (parts). I think the
correlation between the two
means companies like Microsoft, Apple, the Linux Open Source groups, IBM,
DEC, etc. have a
responsibility to their customers to support the operating systems we count
on.


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