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On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Geoff Flight <data...@adam.com.au> wrote: > Absolute proof? Nope. > > But standing where I am, seeing what I have seen and having experienced > first-hand the miraculous power of God, your 'arguments' look faintly > ridiculous. When you have seen hearing restored, bones healed and reformed > in an instant and disabled children restored, doubt in the existence of God > disappears and trust, not only in His power but also His character, is the > only natural result. > > If it had been YOUR daughter I have no doubt your opinion would have been > completely opposite. > > -----Original Message----- > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf > Of Ricardo Aráoz > Sent: Sunday, 1 February 2009 10:34 PM > To: ProFox Email List > Subject: Re: [OT] Chaves warms to Obama after character reference from > Castro > > Geoff Flight wrote: > > The very nature of a miracle is that it is not repeatable therefore > making > > it impossible to be determinate about it. To use a real-life personal > > experience, my youngest daughter was born with spina bifida - a hole in > the > > spine near the base. Doctors told her she would not walk or be continent > - > > hardly what you wish to hears at a birth. We prayed. 3 days later the > hole > > in her spine closed over. No damage, no effect - total healing. There is > NO > > clinical expectation of that. It simply does not happen. Even the doctors > > described it as a miracle. Another daughter had a problem in her jaw > > (complex) and was causing major problems. Once again prayer resulted in > the > > following result: all the symptoms went away and the doctor re-xrayed her > > and declared that she had LITERALLY a new jaw - different from the one > > before. How does this happen in the natural world? It simply doesn't. But > > prayer to the God some of you refuse to believe in did. > > > > Is it proof positive of the existence of God? Nope. But it is more than a > > little evidence to suggest His existence. > > > So long as you accept there is a connection between prayer and the > outcome. I'm sure you also farted in the period before your daughters go > healed, what if I said farting was the reason? Hey let's fart and have > miracles done! > I completely believe what you are referring us, what I don't buy is your > link between prayer and cure. There have been so many other variables. > Of course note that I don't rule out the fact that maybe prayer did it. > Then we should ask if the praying was what did it, of if there actually > is a higher being listening and granting. And I don't even rule out > there is a higher being. It's just that there is no way (at least with > what you bring to the table) to prove or disprove it, and there is (as > of yet) no need to introduce it's existence in order to understand the > world (and for me particularly, there is no need to know if he exists to > be able to live my life and know my path). > > [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/d202ddb10902010452v3e057698i546cc631a6fa2...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
