I was under the impression that prayers for selfish reasons were not granted. In any case for every success like you indicate how can you explain the millions of horrific events that happen to people and they pray but do not get relief? Sounds like a mixed up god to me.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Flight" <data...@adam.com.au> To: "'ProFox Email List'" <profox@leafe.com> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 2:03 AM Subject: RE: [OT] Chaves warms to Obama after character reference from Castro The very nature of a miracle is that it is not repeatable therefore making it impossible to be determinate about it. To use a real-life personal experience, my youngest daughter was born with spina bifida - a hole in the spine near the base. Doctors told her she would not walk or be continent - hardly what you wish to hears at a birth. We prayed. 3 days later the hole in her spine closed over. No damage, no effect - total healing. There is NO clinical expectation of that. It simply does not happen. Even the doctors described it as a miracle. Another daughter had a problem in her jaw (complex) and was causing major problems. Once again prayer resulted in the following result: all the symptoms went away and the doctor re-xrayed her and declared that she had LITERALLY a new jaw - different from the one before. How does this happen in the natural world? It simply doesn't. But prayer to the God some of you refuse to believe in did. Is it proof positive of the existence of God? Nope. But it is more than a little evidence to suggest His existence. -----Original Message----- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Sunday, 1 February 2009 10:14 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Chaves warms to Obama after character reference from Castro Geoff Flight wrote: > Quantum behavior is truly extraordinary and breaks all the rules - but only > because we don't understand them. Eventually we will have a better grasp on > them > > -----Original Message----- > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf > Of Nicholas Geti > Sent: Saturday, 31 January 2009 9:05 AM > To: ProFox Email List > Subject: Re: [OT] Chaves warms to Obama after character reference from > Castro > > When scientists investigate the quantum behavior of matter and energy, they > don't think of it as supernatural no matter how bizarre it may be. And > believe some of the stuff I have been reading lately about quantum behavior > is beyond the realm of imagination. Nevertheless, they don't call it > supernatural; they are creating experiments to test theories that try to > explain. > > The supernatural, as Ed says, does not lend itself to testing or theorizing. > > In fact supernatural events that you see on the TV shows cannot be > reproduced or studied. > Let's see if I can clarify it. If you pray to god in a certain way and something determinate happens, and whenever you do the same, the same thing happens (or something else that can be predicted and measured), THEN will science have any interest in god (or at least in praying) and include him in the natural world. Till then blokes I wish you the best luck with your prayers. [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/077201c98578$e90a5cf0$6401a...@dual ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
