Ricardo Aráoz wrote: > Michael Oke, II wrote: >> Ricardo Aráoz wrote: >> >>> Michael Oke, II wrote: >>> >>>> If I'm merely walking around, then my colour, race or gender is not >>>> reasonable suspicion to request my ID. Not to say that that won't occur >>>> but, as I stated earlier, these types of actions will only serve to >>>> highlight a specific officers failure to adhere to the law. >>>> >>>> >>> Hahaha! "reasonable" to whom? Who decides that? >>> >> It's a cyclical question that has no answer so why bother attempting to >> answer it. >> > Because if you don't, the man with the badge, the one that represents > the state, gets too much unchecked power. Are you comfortable with a > representative of the government getting a lot of unchecked power? That is the wonderful thing about the governmental system here in America, the checks and balances are designed to prevent just that.
> >>>> Do you really think that only Hispanics will be questioned under this >>>> law? >>>> >>> No, of course not. Maybe they'll also question anyone with long beard or >>> a woman with her face covered. >>> >> Would either of those fall under racial profiling? >> > Do I really need to tell you? No, I doubt that you understood the question. > >>> You remind me of something similar occurring here. >>> People would march on the streets protesting for something but they >>> would wear masks. You know why? Because police would usually take >>> pictures of them and go get them later. >>> Rich dudes here wanted a law forbidding hiding your face. But at the >>> same time they have black tinted glasses in their cars as a means of >>> avoiding being mugged (you know, the thief can't know how many people or >>> what kind of people are inside the car). >>> So you see, if you are poor you may not hide your face, but if you drive >>> a car you may. >>> You are in favour of these kind of laws on the assumption that they >>> won't be used against you. That's all. >>> >> Why would they care if pictures are taken of them? Would the police, >> should their protestations not sit well with the current politicians, >> pay them a visit and make them disappear? >> > Yes, or just spray their homes with bullets, or get them in the street > and kick the hell out of them (all this has actually happened, that's > why the started covering their faces). And they don't really need to > disgust a politician, too many times it's the police chiefs and > inspectors that make these decisions on their own and by their own > standards. > But why get ahead of the story. Just wait and in a few years you'll be > experiencing all this first hand. BTW, once the cops get this kind of > power they start using it for their own reasons and many times middle > and upper class people also get to suffer them. I'm sure that it has happened there but that doesn't mean that it has, or will, here. I'm not concerned about. Of course police can abuse any of the powers granted to them, history is littered with examples. > > >> I'm not making any assumption about how this law will be used, I am >> reading the law and going from there. Have you read it? Could it be >> used against me? Nope, while I could be stopped and asked about my >> legal status but that doesn't concern me. I know that I have a legal >> right to reside here. >> > So if you were not carrying ID you'd be ok on being detained and loosing > a few hours of your day (and maybe some dignity). And if you had an > hispanic face you'd be ok with this happening over and over till you > decide you'd better have an ID at all times. And you'd be ok with blonde > people not having the need to carry ID. > Nice. As I am rarely without ID, I'm really not concerned about it. You are still operating under the misguided assumption that somebody can be asked for ID just to ask for their ID. That isn't the case. Nope, blondes would need to be asked as well, them damn swedes might have arrived here via Canada. > >>> I know America pretty well. I was born and lived in America all my life. >>> I tend to prefer the southern parts of America. Specially BA, Punta del >>> Este, Mar del Plata, Pinamar, etc. And I'm fluent in Spanish and >>> English, and can make myself understood in Portuguese and French, so you >>> might say I can communicate with almost anyone in America. Can you? >>> >> No, you really don't. You are the lone voice screaming in the night >> about this. I work with a number of individuals that were born in the >> same regions of South American and NONE of them consider that they were >> born in America, they all speak of the country in which they were born, >> regardless of what country that may be. >> > You know what they say "do as you see". I would do the same, if I were > living in USA and communicating with ignorant Yanks I'd just use that > term. But ask them how they call you when they talk amongst themselves. > They'll say the "yanqui" (pronounced yankee) or the "gringo", and they > talk of "yanquilandia" (that's yankeeland) or "estados unidos", they'll > never call it "America", not among themselves (of course, unless they've > been assimilated). And yet you persist. Ah well. Ignorant yanks huh, does that include the citizens of Canada as well? They'll never call the U.S.A. America? Really? I'll have to remember that. > >> So are, I've had no difficulty communicating with people in American, >> North American or South America. Are you done with your petty speculation? >> > Mmmm......no, not really. Funny, I knew the answer to that question. ::michael _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[email protected] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
