Right.  The Foreigns page is just for reference.  We still need a page devoted to Debug and how to use it.

Henry rich

On 4/5/2022 1:59 PM, Ian Clark wrote:
That's certainly the logical place for it, and it's the logical format for
the Foreigns page of NuVoc.

A beginner might still need a bit more guidance however...

I've written a stub page: https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Vocabulary/Debug
which I invite someone else to finish who knows *debug* better than I do.

How about a simple worked example for how to debug an error in jconsole (or
jqt used in a jconsoling way)...?
How to do it with Run > Debug ⌘K is best described elsewhere, e.g. under
[[Debug]].

Ian Clark

On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 00:33, Henry Rich <henryhr...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have copied most of the information from
https://www.jsoftware.com/help/dictionary/dx013.htm to
https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Vocabulary/Foreigns#m13 with very little
added.

Henry Rich

On 4/3/2022 8:13 PM, Ian Clark wrote:
IMHO debugging in J is not the happy reassuring experience it could be.
Any
newbie who consults NuVoc looking for debug enlightenment is all set to
spend a distressing two hours.

Is that just my lack of familiarity with the geewhiz stuff that's there?
Because I only resort to (13!:) and the debugger When All Else Fails.

Then I go straight to
https://www.jsoftware.com/help/dictionary/dx013.htm
which for me is the most helpful page in the whole of J Help.

It's a tall order to improve on it. If NuVoc is going to get an ancillary
page on Debugging, it could do worse than link dx013 and leave it at
that.
Actually I do have a small improvement on dx013 to offer. For my own use
I've replaced every 13!:* reference with the corresponding stdlib cover
verb. I attach the resulting doctored webpage as a .webarchive, hoping it
won't get stripped off.

If it does, then PM me for a copy.

On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 at 16:04, Raul Miller <rauldmil...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have ported debug_verbs.htm over as Debug/Verbs, and included it in
the debug navigator.

Someone (probably me) should go in and "merge" the two tables of
contents on the page. (In other words, add the __NOTOC__ keyword to
disable the wiki generated table after replicating its functionality
in the table with descriptive comments a short distance down on the
page.)

Thanks,

--
Raul

On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 10:54 AM chris burke <cbu...@jsoftware.com>
wrote:
I haven't found a replacement for
https://www.jsoftware.com/docs/help602/user/debug_verbs.htm yet.

This should be a new child page of
https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Debug
.

On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 12:00 AM Raul Miller <rauldmil...@gmail.com>
wrote:
https://code.jsoftware.com/mediawiki/index.php/Guides/Covering_a_verb
seems useful, but I haven't found a replacement for
https://www.jsoftware.com/docs/help602/user/debug_verbs.htm yet.

Thanks,

--
Raul

On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 11:55 PM Henry Rich <henryhr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
That's pretty good.  It needs to be referred to from the NuVoc
ancillary
pages.

It seems to be about the graphical debugger.  Some users, as I
understand, use debug commands from the keyboard.  Some documentation
for them would be wolcome.

Henry Rich

On 4/2/2022 10:24 PM, Raul Miller wrote:
What about https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Debug?

Thanks,

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