Using jconsole for 99+% of my j activity, and Mac OS X as workstation (mostly 
with j on a networked Linux server) I prefer PDF to be the default.  Strongly. 

- joey    iPh

On Dec 19, 2011, at 6:55 AM, David Mitchell <davidmitch...@att.net> wrote:

> I have mixed feelings about the default.
> 
> A default output of gtk seems best for general interactive use and visual 
> fidelity with the old plot behavior.
> 
> Some jconsole users seem to be using jconsole for its streamlined interface 
> and 
> character based interaction.  I would think that a default output of png fits 
> better with that usage.
> 
> png has the added advantage of providing a reasonable, if indirect, path to 
> printing the plot results.
> 
> pdf seems best reserved as a non-default option.
> 
> On 12/19/2011 9:36, bill lam wrote:
>> I might know why it worked for me but failed for you.  Since I tested 
>> jconsole
>> on a debian console without X11, it always choose cario/png output. But for
>> windows or linux with x11 (Ric's case), it elect gtk output, the problem is
>> that those required and coinsert have been left out.
>> 
>> It also worked in JHS because gtk will never run under that environment.
>> Before fix the bug, I must ask what should be the default plot output for
>> jconsole - gtk, pdf or png?
>> 
>> Пнд, 19 Дек 2011, David Mitchell писал(а):
>>> I got the same failure on Win7_64 with plot in jconsole on J701 with 
>>> current addons.
>>> 
>>> I was able to get it to work with this workaround:
>>> 
>>>     load'plot'
>>>     load '~addons/graphics/gl2/gl2.ijs'
>>>     dbg 1
>>>     plot 20?20
>>> |value error: glsel
>>> |       glsel PIdLoc
>>> |gtk_paint[0]
>>> 
>>>        coinsert 'jgl2'
>>>        dbrun''
>>> 
>>> (jconsole.exe:5224): Pango-WARNING **: couldn't load font ""Arial" 
>>> Not-Rotated 9
>>> ", falling back to "Sans Not-Rotated 9", expect ugly output.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/19/2011 1:47, bill lam wrote:
>>>> That is strange.  I tested just plot under linux jconsole before replying
>>>> your email.  It looks like it choose gtk ouput but gl2 has not been loaded.
>>>> You may try load gl2 manually.
>>>> 
>>>> Can you email me your jzplot.ijs file by private mail?
>>>> 
>>>> Пнд, 19 Дек 2011, Ric Tikkanz писал(а):
>>>>> AFAICS my system has the latest plot (1.0.25) and a bunch of other
>>>>> things I thought may be related (I appended the jpkg results to my
>>>>> initial post to try and signal that).
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:21 PM, bill lam<bbill....@gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>>>> I think your plot is out-dated.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The defaut output for jconsole has also been changed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Пнд, 19 Дек 2011, Ric Tikkanz писал(а):
>>>>>>> Currently I get an error if I try to plot from jconsole (Windows or 
>>>>>>> Linux).
>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure (at least under Linux) that I used to get a gtk window.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>     load 'plot'
>>>>>>>     plot 10?10
>>>>>>> |value error: glcanvas_jgl2_
>>>>>>> |   PIdLoc=:    glcanvas_jgl2_ PForm;PId;(Cw,Ch);coname''
>>>>>>>     'output pdf' plot 10?10
>>>>>>> |value error: PIdLoc
>>>>>>> |   _2{.getGtkWidgetAllocation_jgtk_     canvas__PIdLoc
>>>>>>>     'output pdf' plot 10?10
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>     load 'pacman'
>>>>>>>     'search' jpkgv 'graphics base library gui'
>>>>>>> +----------------+------+------+-------------------------------+
>>>>>>> |base library    |7.1.52|7.1.52|base library scripts           |
>>>>>>> |graphics/afm    |1.0.2 |1.0.2 |AFM                            |
>>>>>>> |graphics/bmp    |1.0.1 |1.0.1 |bitmap utilities               |
>>>>>>> |graphics/color  |1.0.1 |1.0.1 |Color tables                   |
>>>>>>> |graphics/gl2    |1.0.14|1.0.14|gl2                            |
>>>>>>> |graphics/graph  |1.0.3 |1.0.3 |Graph                          |
>>>>>>> |graphics/jturtle|1.0.1 |1.0.1 |Turtle graphics                |
>>>>>>> |graphics/opengl |1.0.11|1.0.11|OpenGL graphics                |
>>>>>>> |graphics/plot   |1.0.25|1.0.25|Plot                           |
>>>>>>> |graphics/viewmat|1.0.2 |1.0.2 |Displays a viewmat             |
>>>>>>> |gui/gtk         |1.0.77|1.0.77|GTK API                        |
>>>>>>> |gui/jgtkgrid    |1.0.7 |1.0.7 |Grid implementation for J7/JGTK|
>>>>>>> +----------------+------+------+-------------------------------+
>>>>>>>     JVERSION
>>>>>>> Engine: j701/2011-01-10/11:25
>>>>>>> Library: 7.01.052
>>>>>>> Platform: Win 32
>>>>>>> Installer: j701a_win.exe
>>>>>>> InstallPath: c:/program files/j701
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