... nah tuh, PIG, semua orang ngejek ketololan lu...
.. sementara itu lu pikir,.. lu pinter.. .. lu cuma orang yg mau ngelibas islam dan orang islam dimilis ini.. .. sehingga nato ama un dibawah kontrol amrik punya alasan buat ngebom orang islam, wanita dan anak2... .. lu kgak lebih berharga dari najis salman rusdi.. On 2/10/12, rezameutia <rezameu...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > semua orang di milis ini udah pasti tau siapa elu ama jusfiq, karena elu > berdua terkenal begonya kelewatan. muke lu berdua tiap hari diludahin ama > semua orang di milis ini. setiap elu berdua nulis, pasti ada aja yang > keplak pala lu karena komentar dungu kalian. > > bayangin aja kelauan elu berdua, si jusfiq adalah orang tua yang otaknya > udah ciut segede biji peler karena junkie selama puluhan tahun. elu udah > jelas kagak punya otak karena sering baca buku sex alkitab sehingga tega > ngembat anak sendiri, ngembat adik sendiri. > > jadi, siapa sih yang nggak tau dua orang retarded di milis ini? > > hehehe.... > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: >> >> Hehehe ... si safin _blanc ini terus nuduh gua sbg Bukan Pedandaa. >> Nunjukin betapa dungunya dia ini. >>  >> Orang di milis ini umumnya tau siapa Bukan Pedanda itu, dan orang2 yg udah >> lama di milis jg tau bhw gua bukan Bukan Pedanda krn gua udah lama malang >> melintang di milis. Makanya, orang2 di milis pada kabur kalo berhadapan >> dgn gua, hehehe... >>  >>  >> >> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@...> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 11:20 AM >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak >> > babi...) >> > >> >.. sdh gw bilang,.. lu ngaku ato tidak,.. gw kgak rugi juga kgak untung.. >> >.. lu sendiri yg bisa ngitung, mau jujur apa kgak.. >> > >> >.. gw kgak ngotot,.. santai aja.... >> >.. yg suka ngotot dan sering kayak kambing kebakaran jenggot itu lu >> >sendiri, tem,.. >> >.. >> > >> >.. yg suka taik salman rusdi.. >> >.. yg bejat!!! >> >.. dan bagian dari orang yg biadab!!! >> >.. >> >.. ucapan slamat itu lebih cocok buat lu kunyah sendiri... >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >On 2/9/12, item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: >> >> Jadi si dungu ini ngotot bhw gua orang yg sama dgn Bukan Pedanda. >> >> >> >> Selamat deh, lu udah nunjukin bhw lu ini orang super dungu, jauh lebih >> >> dungu >> >> dr orang2 Islam plus plus rata2 yg tahu siapa Bukan Pedanda itu dan >> >> bisa >> >> ngebedakan antara gua dgn Bukan Pedanda. >> >> >> >> Hehehe... semua orang Islam itu dungu, tp kadang ada jg yg super dungu. >> >> >> >> >> >> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@...> >> >>>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >>>Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 5:19 PM >> >>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak >> >>> babi...) >> >>> >> >>>... omongan kayak gini cuman buang waktu aja tem,.. >> >>> >> >>>.. lu ngaku ato tidak, kgak ada pengaruh apa2 buat gw.. kgak untung, >> >>> kgak >> >>> rugi.. >> >>> >> >>>yg jelas, lu orang yg mau ngelibas islam dan orang islam di milis >> >>>ini.. dan dimana-mana lu ngumbar fitnah dan caci maki islam.. >> >>> >> >>>sehingga nato dan un yg dikendalikan amrik bisa melegitimate >> >>>pembantaian orang islam, wanita dan anak2.. >> >>> >> >>>itu aja udah cukup menunjukkan kebejatan lu.. >> >>> >> >>>singkat saja: >> >>> >> >>>b e j a t ......! ! ! bejat!!! >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>On 2/8/12, item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: >> >>>> Hehehe ... udah jelas lu ini tadinya mikir gua sama dgn Bukan >> >>>> Pedanda, >> >>>> sekarang ngakunya sengaja ngomong gitu, ga mau ngaku ketololan lu. >> >>>> Terus >> >>>> lu >> >>>> nambah kegoblokan lu dgn ga percaya atas omongan gua, bertentangan >> >>>> dgn >> >>>> ocehan lu sendiri. >> >>>> >> >>>> Emang orang Islam itu ga ada yg pintar, semuanya dungu, tanpa >> >>>> kecuali. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@...> >> >>>>>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 8:36 AM >> >>>>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak >> >>>>> babi...) >> >>>>> >> >>>>>.. lu yg goblog.. gw memang sengaja supaya lu berdua ngomong jujur.. >> >>>>> >> >>>>>klo lu memang orang berbeda, coba lu kasih biodata lu disini.. >> >>>>>nama: (kgak perlu asli) >> >>>>>umur: (72 taon, kt orang) >> >>>>>pkerjaan: >> >>>>>alamat: (yg ini cukup negara mana, gw kgak mau lu dibunuh terorist, >> >>>>>keenakan lu nanti). >> >>>>> >> >>>>>itu aja.. >> >>>>> >> >>>>>On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:13 AM, item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> ** >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Goblok, gua bukan Bukan Pedanda. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@...> >> >>>>>> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >>>>>> >Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 12:12 AM >> >>>>>> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang >> >>>>>> > berotak >> >>>>>> babi...) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> >..wah gw telat balas tulisan item yg belepotan taik salman rusdi >> >>>>>> > ini... >> >>>>>> >.. bukan kgak mau balas, soalnya gw lagi melancong ... capeknya >> >>>>>> > masih >> >>>>>> >terasa.. >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> >gini tem.. >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> >gw kgak silau oleh tulisan pakar organisasi dunia yg didominasi >> >>>>>> > amrik >> >>>>>> > sama >> >>>>>> >konco2nya yg ngejelekin islam supaya mrk punya legitimasi >> >>>>>> > ngebantai >> >>>>>> > orang >> >>>>>> >islam ...... apalagi tulisan yg ngaco seperti yg lu percaya >> >>>>>> > itu..... >> >>>>>> > apa >> >>>>>> >perempuan disunat lalu kgak bisa beranak? bahkan bisa mati >> >>>>>> > segala?... >> >>>>>> >tulisan pakar organisasi dunia yg ngawur, sama sekali kgak >> >>>>>> > kredibel..... >> >>>>>> >kgak perlu ada studi ilmiah utk bilang tulisan mereka ngawur.. >> >>>>>> > kenyataan >> >>>>>> di >> >>>>>> >dunia nyata sdh jelas bhw statement mereka ngawur.. >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> >dan lu percaya sama tulisan mereka? tentu saja lu percaya karena >> >>>>>> > lu >> >>>>>> > memang >> >>>>>> >bagian dari orang yg mau melibas islam dan orang islam.. dimilis >> >>>>>> > ini >> >>>>>> > .. >> >>>>>> and >> >>>>>> >beyond.. >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> >setiap ada tulisan yg seperti ini lu telen bulat seperti lu telen >> >>>>>> > taik >> >>>>>> >salman rusdi.... dan lu kgak punya malu sebarin tulisan konyol >> >>>>>> > penuh >> >>>>>> >fitnah.. sama artinya dengan lu tukang fitnah juga...... jelas? >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> >.. ihh... >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> >On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Bukan Pedanda >> >>>>>> > <bukan.pedanda@... >> >>>>>> >wrote: >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> >> ** >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> safin _blanc ini jelas berotak babi.. >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> Tanpa argumen ilmiah dia bilang kesimpulan pakar organisasi >> >>>>>> >> dunia >> >>>>>> >> itu >> >>>>>> >> "fitnah yg dilakukan orang2 yg mau ngelibas islam " >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> Edan. >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> > .. apa gw bilang? titit lo memang sontoloyo.. >> >>>>>> >> > .. bantah tuh kalo lu bisa bantah... >> >>>>>> >> > .. disertai bukti.. >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> > .. kalo kgak, orang di milis ini akan ketawain lu.. >> >>>>>> >> > .. >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> > Female genital mutilation or cutting (FGM/C) is the partial or >> >>>>>> >> > total >> >>>>>> >> > removal of the external genitalia â€" undertaken for cultural >> >>>>>> >> > or >> >>>>>> >> > other >> >>>>>> >> > non-medical reasons â€" often causing severe pain and >> >>>>>> >> > sometimes >> >>>>>> resulting >> >>>>>> >> in >> >>>>>> >> > prolonged bleeding, infection, infertility and even death. >> >>>>>> >> > .. ini fitnah yg dilakukan orang2 yg mau ngelibas islam, >> >>>>>> >> > sehingga >> >>>>>> orang >> >>>>>> >> yg >> >>>>>> >> > bayar ongkos perang percaya bhw islam memang perlu dibasmi.... >> >>>>>> >> > .. gw kgak pernah dengar ada cw yg mengalami seperti yg lu >> >>>>>> >> > jadikan >> >>>>>> >> > referensi ini.. kecuali tentu saja rasa sakit. infeksi bisa >> >>>>>> >> > terjadi >> >>>>>> kalo >> >>>>>> >> > caranya kgak hygenis, tapi infertility? kematian?.. hah.. kgak >> >>>>>> >> > tahu >> >>>>>> malu >> >>>>>> >> > nyebar pitnah.... >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> > .. sunat juga sakit, apa lu kgak sunat? >> >>>>>> >> > .. >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 4:22 AM, Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@ >> >>>>>> ...>wrote: >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> > > ** >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > >> >>>>>> >> > > >> >>>>>> >> > > >> >>>>>> >> > > safin _blanc yang berotak babi dan berpengetahuan dangkal... >> >>>>>> >> > > >> >>>>>> >> > > >> >>>>>> http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?Cr1=health&NewsID=37478&Cr=women >> >>>>>> >> > > >> >>>>>> >> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, safin _blanc >> >>>>>> >> > > <pandan.wangi558@> >> >>>>>> >> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > ..ngapain ngurus yg ginian, apa kgak ada kerjaan lain? gw >> >>>>>> >> > > > kgak >> >>>>>> pernah >> >>>>>> >> > > > denger cw sekeliling gw yg complain soal ini.. termasuk >> >>>>>> >> > > > bini >> >>>>>> >> > > > gw,.. >> >>>>>> >> > > > ..cw juga kgak usil ngurusin laki2 yg sunat... >> >>>>>> >> > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > tp buat lu yg memang mau melibas islam dan orang islam di >> >>>>>> >> > > > milis >> >>>>>> ini, >> >>>>>> >> > > urusan >> >>>>>> >> > > > begini aja jadi besar.. >> >>>>>> >> > > > ato barangkali bini lu kgak puas? klo dia kgak puas >> >>>>>> >> > > > berarti >> >>>>>> >> > > > titit >> >>>>>> lu >> >>>>>> >> yg >> >>>>>> >> > > > sontoloyo.... >> >>>>>> >> > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:03 AM, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > ** >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > Hehehe... jadi lu sama sekali ga peduli dgn cewek2 yg >> >>>>>> >> > > > > dipotong >> >>>>>> >> itilnya >> >>>>>> >> > > > > itu, nurut lu, itu urusan mereka, bukan urusan lu. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:24 AM >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital >> >>>>>> >> > > > > > Cutting >> >>>>>> Rite >> >>>>>> >> > > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >lu usil kgak ada kerjaan ngurus itil cw. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >itu urusan sesama perempuan.. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >lu memang tukang fitnah. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >gw bilang kenyataan bhw banyak, banyak sekali muslimah >> >>>>>> >> > > > > > yg >> >>>>>> >> bahagia.. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >lu yg penuh fitnah dalam ngelibas islam dan orang islam >> >>>>>> >> > > > > > di >> >>>>>> milis >> >>>>>> >> > > ini,... >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >yang..gw yakin kgak bahagia.. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >kasihaaaannn... >> >>>>>> >> > > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 5:29 AM, item abu <itemabu@> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > > wrote: >> >>>>>> >> > > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> ** >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> Jadi lu suka ngeliat dan ngedenger cewek tetangga lu >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> ketawa2, >> >>>>>> >> > > berarti lu >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> ga ngikutin ajaran Islam yg nindas cewek. Tetangga lu >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> itu >> >>>>>> udah >> >>>>>> >> > > disunat >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> belum itilnya? >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> Hehehe.... spt yg gua bilang sebelumnya, orang Islam >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> plus >> >>>>>> plus >> >>>>>> >> itu >> >>>>>> >> > > ga >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> peduli sama sekali dgn nasib cewek yg ditindas di >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> negara >> >>>>>> syariat >> >>>>>> >> > > iblis, >> >>>>>> >> > > > > spt >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> cewek yg diperkosa di waktu msh anak2, cewek yg >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> disunat >> >>>>>> itilnya, >> >>>>>> >> > > cewek >> >>>>>> >> > > > > yg >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> disiksa di rumahnya oleh lakinya dsb. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:19 AM >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > Cutting >> >>>>>> >> Rite >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >tetangga gw 8 bersaudara, perempuan semua... udah >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > pada >> >>>>>> kawin, >> >>>>>> >> dan >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >berbahagia.. kalo ngumpul ketawa mereka lepas sampai >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > kita >> >>>>>> >> > > tetangganya >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >merasakan kegembiraan mrk. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >gw pernah ikut latihan chen-qi di china... suhu kita >> >>>>>> bilang,.. >> >>>>>> >> > > ngesek >> >>>>>> >> > > > > itu >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >perlu, tp orgasm merupakan pemborosan energi yg >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > besar.. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >supaya ingat, si item sinting ini adalah orang yg >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > mau >> >>>>>> melibas >> >>>>>> >> > > islam dan >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >orang islam di milis ini... >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:11 AM, item abu >> >>>>>> >> <itemabu@> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> ** >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Islam itu emang laknatan lil alamin >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> PAKISTAN-INDIA >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> By Zofeen Ebrahim >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> KARACHI, Jan 30, 2012 (IPS) - "It was a dark and >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> dingy >> >>>>>> room, >> >>>>>> >> > > where an >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> elderly woman asked me to take off my panties, >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> made me >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> sit >> >>>>>> >> on a >> >>>>>> >> > > low >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> wooden >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> stool with my legs parted and then did >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> something…I >> >>>>>> screamed >> >>>>>> >> out >> >>>>>> >> > > in >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> pain," >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> recalls Alefia Mustansir, 40, of her childhood >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> experience. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Her friend, Sakina Haider, remembers "putting up a >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> good >> >>>>>> >> fight" >> >>>>>> >> > > before >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> she >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> succumbed. "I was told by my grandmother that I >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> was >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> being >> >>>>>> >> taken >> >>>>>> >> > > to >> >>>>>> >> > > > > the >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> doctor to address burning in the genital area when >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> soap >> >>>>>> went >> >>>>>> >> > > there >> >>>>>> >> > > > > while >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> bathing!" >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Both Haider and Mustansir have refused to have >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> their >> >>>>>> >> daughters >> >>>>>> >> > > > > undergo >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> circumcision or female genital mutilation/cutting >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> (FGM/C), >> >>>>>> >> the >> >>>>>> >> > > > > Dawoodi >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Bohras' best-kept secret until young women from >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the >> >>>>>> community >> >>>>>> >> > > first >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> began >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> to speak up against it a few years ago. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Bohras, a sub-sect of Ismaili Shia Muslims, are a >> >>>>>> tight-knit >> >>>>>> >> > > > > community, >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> with a majority residing in India and Pakistan, >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> and >> >>>>>> >> estimated to >> >>>>>> >> > > > > number >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> two >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> million the world over. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> An article in the Dec. 12 issue of the popular >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Indian >> >>>>>> weekly >> >>>>>> >> > > > > `Outlook' >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> says: "Khatna (circumcision) is a tradition the >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Bohras >> >>>>>> trace >> >>>>>> >> > > back to >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> their >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> origins in (north) Africa, one they continue with >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> because >> >>>>>> >> they >> >>>>>> >> > > see >> >>>>>> >> > > > > this >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> as >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> an attempt to stay true to their faith." >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> The Outlook article goes on to say that "most >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Bohra >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> women >> >>>>>> >> and men >> >>>>>> >> > > > > even >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> today would rather keep this practice a secret >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> rather >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> than >> >>>>>> >> > > question a >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> custom that is now universally seen as a gross >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> violation >> >>>>>> of a >> >>>>>> >> > > woman's >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> body." >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> The World Health Organisation defines FGM/C as a >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> procedure >> >>>>>> >> that >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "intentionally alters or injures female genital >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> organs >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> for >> >>>>>> >> > > > > non-medical >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> reasons." FGM/C, as practiced in some African >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> countries, >> >>>>>> may >> >>>>>> >> > > involve >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> removal of the entire clitoris and labia. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> The practice persists in 28 African countries, as >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> well >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> as >> >>>>>> in >> >>>>>> >> some >> >>>>>> >> > > > > Middle >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Eastern countries with varying degrees of cutting >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> or >> >>>>>> >> mutilation. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > African >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> countries that have banned it include Burkina >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Faso, >> >>>>>> Central >> >>>>>> >> > > African >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Republic, Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Togo, >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Uganda, >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Kenya >> >>>>>> >> and >> >>>>>> >> > > Egypt. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Bohras insist that their practice is not harmful >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> since >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> it >> >>>>>> is >> >>>>>> >> done >> >>>>>> >> > > > > with >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> care and moderation. Many justify it as a means to >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> curb >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> a >> >>>>>> >> woman's >> >>>>>> >> > > > > sexual >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> drive and keep her chaste. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Haider finds that argument "highly problematic" >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> and >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> sees >> >>>>>> it >> >>>>>> >> as a >> >>>>>> >> > > way >> >>>>>> >> > > > > of >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> controlling women. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Dr. Nighat Shah, former president of the Society >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> of >> >>>>>> >> > > Obstetricians and >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Gynaecologists in Pakistan, finds it hard to >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> believe >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> that >> >>>>>> a >> >>>>>> >> > > > > community as >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "progressive and educated" as the Bohras carries >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> out >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> this >> >>>>>> >> > > practice. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "Medically speaking," she explained, "a little >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> snip or >> >>>>>> clip >> >>>>>> >> (of >> >>>>>> >> > > the >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> clitoris) may not affect childbirth, but it may >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> rob >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the >> >>>>>> >> woman of >> >>>>>> >> > > > > sexual >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> pleasure. It is a very sensitive tissue." >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Another gynaecologist and obstetrician, Dr. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Shershah >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Syed, >> >>>>>> >> finds >> >>>>>> >> > > no >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> medical benefit to support female circumcision. "I >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> am >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> no >> >>>>>> >> > > religious >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> scholar, >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> so if a community believes it is an Islamic >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> injunction, >> >>>>>> I'd >> >>>>>> >> > > suggest >> >>>>>> >> > > > > the >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> girls should at least be old enough to understand >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the >> >>>>>> reason >> >>>>>> >> so >> >>>>>> >> > > that >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> they >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> can make an informed decision." >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "Why do women's sexual drives have to be curbed?" >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Haider >> >>>>>> >> asks. >> >>>>>> >> > > "Women >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> who >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> are not circumcised are not necessarily >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> promiscuous!" >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> she >> >>>>>> >> says. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> A young Indian girl belonging to this Muslim sect, >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> who >> >>>>>> goes >> >>>>>> >> by >> >>>>>> >> > > the >> >>>>>> >> > > > > name >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> of >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Tasleem, has now found the courage to initiate an >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> online >> >>>>>> >> petition >> >>>>>> >> > > > > asking >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the community's high priest, Dr. Syedna Mohammad >> >>>>>> >> Burhanuddin, to >> >>>>>> >> > > have >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> this >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "cruel, inhuman and undemocratic ritual" stopped. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> The petition addressed to the 96-year-old prelate, >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> who >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> is >> >>>>>> >> based >> >>>>>> >> > > in >> >>>>>> >> > > > > the >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> western Indian city of Mumbai, states: "Such a >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> barbaric >> >>>>>> >> ritual >> >>>>>> >> > > has no >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> place >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> in a progressive community like the Bohras. So we >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> pray >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> to >> >>>>>> His >> >>>>>> >> > > > > Holiness >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> to >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> stop this misogynist ritual." Mustansir and Haider >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> are >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> in >> >>>>>> a >> >>>>>> >> > > minority >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> among >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Bohra women who refuse to accept the practice. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Most >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> still >> >>>>>> get >> >>>>>> >> > > their >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> daughters circumcised because it is an order from >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the >> >>>>>> >> community's >> >>>>>> >> > > > > high >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> priest. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "I have blind faith in my leader. I believe there >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> must >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> be >> >>>>>> >> some >> >>>>>> >> > > > > goodness >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> in >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> this that there is so much insistence," said >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Zahabia >> >>>>>> >> Mohammad, >> >>>>>> >> > > 38, >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> mother >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> of three circumcised daughters. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Mohammad conceded that her own experience was >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "gross" >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> and >> >>>>>> >> > > "barbaric", >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> but >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> justifies its continuation because "it is done in >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> a >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> very >> >>>>>> safe >> >>>>>> >> > > manner >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> today >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> by doctors." >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> She was present for all of her daughters' >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> circumcisions. >> >>>>>> "It >> >>>>>> >> > > takes >> >>>>>> >> > > > > less >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> than five minutes and the procedure is done under >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> local >> >>>>>> >> > > anaesthesia. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> Just a >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> very minute bit of the clitoris is clipped off," >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> she >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> said. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> She acknowledged she had little information on the >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> rite >> >>>>>> >> except >> >>>>>> >> > > what >> >>>>>> >> > > > > was >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> told her by an aunt "that the foreskin of the >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> clitoris >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> is >> >>>>>> >> > > unclean and >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> circumcision is for the benefit of the women." >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> She also concedes that today, with a deluge of >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> information >> >>>>>> >> > > > > circulating >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> against this practice, it is imperative to equip >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the >> >>>>>> >> community >> >>>>>> >> > > with >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> information to enable them to make informed >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> decisions. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "Not everyone will accept this blindly, not the >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> next >> >>>>>> >> generation. >> >>>>>> >> > > They >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> will >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> question and prod, so it is important to prepare >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> them," >> >>>>>> she >> >>>>>> >> says >> >>>>>> >> > > of a >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> rite >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> that is kept secret from male members of the sect. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Tasleem told Outlook that genital cutting happens >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> in >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> all >> >>>>>> >> strata >> >>>>>> >> > > of >> >>>>>> >> > > > > Bohra >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> society. "I'd say 90 percent practise it." >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Arwa Mohammad, who is in her 20s, signed the >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> petition >> >>>>>> because >> >>>>>> >> > > "it's >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> archaic and nonsensical." She was circumcised when >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> she >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> was >> >>>>>> >> seven >> >>>>>> >> > > by >> >>>>>> >> > > > > her >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> grandmother's doctor friend. "Just goes to show >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> how >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> this >> >>>>>> >> ritual >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> perpetuates >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> without anyone questioning!" >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Married a year back, Mohammad was "not >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> traumatised" >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> for >> >>>>>> life >> >>>>>> >> for >> >>>>>> >> > > > > getting >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> circumcised, but cannot comprehend the reason >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> still. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "I >> >>>>>> have >> >>>>>> >> > > friends >> >>>>>> >> > > > > who >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> have been circumcised like me but have a high sex >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> drive. >> >>>>>> On >> >>>>>> >> the >> >>>>>> >> > > other >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> hand, >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> she admits to "frigidity" in bed. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "The thought of snipping off a bit of a young >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> child's >> >>>>>> >> clitoris >> >>>>>> >> > > gives >> >>>>>> >> > > > > me >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the goosebumps," said 37-year-old uncircumcised >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Amena >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Ali. >> >>>>>> >> She >> >>>>>> >> > > > > refuses >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> to >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> put her two daughters, aged six and eight - >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> considered >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the >> >>>>>> >> right >> >>>>>> >> > > age >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> band >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> for circumcision - under the blade. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> The petition, put up last October, has opened an >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> animated >> >>>>>> >> forum >> >>>>>> >> > > for >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> discussion on both sides of the border, perhaps >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> for >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the >> >>>>>> very >> >>>>>> >> > > first >> >>>>>> >> > > > > time, >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> within the community on a subject that was taboo. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "Initially, only the non-Bohras were signing, but >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> once >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the >> >>>>>> >> media >> >>>>>> >> > > got >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> into >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the act, many women from the community openly >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> began >> >>>>>> talking >> >>>>>> >> about >> >>>>>> >> > > > > their >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> painful experience," Tasleem told IPS in an email >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> exchange >> >>>>>> >> from >> >>>>>> >> > > > > India. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> So far, Tasleem has been able to collect 1,059 >> >>>>>> signatures. "I >> >>>>>> >> > > will >> >>>>>> >> > > > > keep >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> this going till Dr. Syedna bans it. Raising >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> awareness >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> is >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>> >> > > first >> >>>>>> >> > > > > step >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> towards solving the problem." >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "Whether the ritual will be abolished by this >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> petition, >> >>>>>> only >> >>>>>> >> time >> >>>>>> >> > > > > will >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> tell," says Zainab Hussain, 49, but she feels the >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> petition >> >>>>>> >> will >> >>>>>> >> > > make >> >>>>>> >> > > > > a >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> difference. 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