Hehehe... orang2 Islam emang selalu berebut unt jadi orang tolol nomor 1 di dunia.
From: Musik hari Ini <musikhari...@yahoo.com> >To: "proletar@yahoogroups.com" <proletar@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 5:37 AM >Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak babi...) > > > >Tidak ada yang pentig,tapi kanlu pernah joint accound dengan juspik tempo hari > >kalau lama malang melintang kudu tambah pinter tambah bijaksana >siapa yang kabur? >kalau cuman orang gila ya ditonton saja >bukan begitu lumakin lama makin tolol! >paham. > >________________________________ >From: item abu <item...@yahoo.com> >To: "proletar@yahoogroups.com" <proletar@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 5:31 PM >Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak babi...) > > > >Hehehe ... si safin _blanc ini terus nuduh gua sbg Bukan Pedandaa. Nunjukin >betapa dungunya dia ini. > >Orang di milis ini umumnya tau siapa Bukan Pedanda itu, dan orang2 yg udah >lama di milis jg tau bhw gua bukan Bukan Pedanda krn gua udah lama malang >melintang di milis. Makanya, orang2 di milis pada kabur kalo berhadapan dgn >gua, hehehe... > > > >From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi...@gmail.com> >>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 11:20 AM >>Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak babi...) >> >>.. sdh gw bilang,.. lu ngaku ato tidak,.. gw kgak rugi juga kgak untung.. >>.. lu sendiri yg bisa ngitung, mau jujur apa kgak.. >> >>.. gw kgak ngotot,.. santai aja.... >>.. yg suka ngotot dan sering kayak kambing kebakaran jenggot itu lu >>sendiri, tem,.. >>.. >> >>.. yg suka taik salman rusdi.. >>.. yg bejat!!! >>.. dan bagian dari orang yg biadab!!! >>.. >>.. ucapan slamat itu lebih cocok buat lu kunyah sendiri... >> >> >> >> >> >>On 2/9/12, item abu <item...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> Jadi si dungu ini ngotot bhw gua orang yg sama dgn Bukan Pedanda. >>> >>> Selamat deh, lu udah nunjukin bhw lu ini orang super dungu, jauh lebih dungu >>> dr orang2 Islam plus plus rata2 yg tahu siapa Bukan Pedanda itu dan bisa >>> ngebedakan antara gua dgn Bukan Pedanda. >>> >>> Hehehe... semua orang Islam itu dungu, tp kadang ada jg yg super dungu. >>> >>> >>> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi...@gmail.com> >>>>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 5:19 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak >>>> babi...) >>>> >>>>... omongan kayak gini cuman buang waktu aja tem,.. >>>> >>>>.. lu ngaku ato tidak, kgak ada pengaruh apa2 buat gw.. kgak untung, kgak >>>> rugi.. >>>> >>>>yg jelas, lu orang yg mau ngelibas islam dan orang islam di milis >>>>ini.. dan dimana-mana lu ngumbar fitnah dan caci maki islam.. >>>> >>>>sehingga nato dan un yg dikendalikan amrik bisa melegitimate >>>>pembantaian orang islam, wanita dan anak2.. >>>> >>>>itu aja udah cukup menunjukkan kebejatan lu.. >>>> >>>>singkat saja: >>>> >>>>b e j a t ......! ! ! bejat!!! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On 2/8/12, item abu <item...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> Hehehe ... udah jelas lu ini tadinya mikir gua sama dgn Bukan Pedanda, >>>>> sekarang ngakunya sengaja ngomong gitu, ga mau ngaku ketololan lu. Terus >>>>> lu >>>>> nambah kegoblokan lu dgn ga percaya atas omongan gua, bertentangan dgn >>>>> ocehan lu sendiri. >>>>> >>>>> Emang orang Islam itu ga ada yg pintar, semuanya dungu, tanpa kecuali. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 8:36 AM >>>>>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak >>>>>> babi...) >>>>>> >>>>>>.. lu yg goblog.. gw memang sengaja supaya lu berdua ngomong jujur.. >>>>>> >>>>>>klo lu memang orang berbeda, coba lu kasih biodata lu disini.. >>>>>>nama: (kgak perlu asli) >>>>>>umur: (72 taon, kt orang) >>>>>>pkerjaan: >>>>>>alamat: (yg ini cukup negara mana, gw kgak mau lu dibunuh terorist, >>>>>>keenakan lu nanti). >>>>>> >>>>>>itu aja.. >>>>>> >>>>>>On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:13 AM, item abu <item...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> ** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Goblok, gua bukan Bukan Pedanda. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> >Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 12:12 AM >>>>>>> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak >>>>>>> babi...) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >..wah gw telat balas tulisan item yg belepotan taik salman rusdi >>>>>>> > ini... >>>>>>> >.. bukan kgak mau balas, soalnya gw lagi melancong ... capeknya masih >>>>>>> >terasa.. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >gini tem.. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >gw kgak silau oleh tulisan pakar organisasi dunia yg didominasi amrik >>>>>>> > sama >>>>>>> >konco2nya yg ngejelekin islam supaya mrk punya legitimasi ngebantai >>>>>>> > orang >>>>>>> >islam ...... apalagi tulisan yg ngaco seperti yg lu percaya itu..... >>>>>>> > apa >>>>>>> >perempuan disunat lalu kgak bisa beranak? bahkan bisa mati segala?... >>>>>>> >tulisan pakar organisasi dunia yg ngawur, sama sekali kgak >>>>>>> > kredibel..... >>>>>>> >kgak perlu ada studi ilmiah utk bilang tulisan mereka ngawur.. >>>>>>> > kenyataan >>>>>>> di >>>>>>> >dunia nyata sdh jelas bhw statement mereka ngawur.. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >dan lu percaya sama tulisan mereka? tentu saja lu percaya karena lu >>>>>>> > memang >>>>>>> >bagian dari orang yg mau melibas islam dan orang islam.. dimilis ini >>>>>>> > .. >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> >beyond.. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >setiap ada tulisan yg seperti ini lu telen bulat seperti lu telen taik >>>>>>> >salman rusdi.... dan lu kgak punya malu sebarin tulisan konyol penuh >>>>>>> >fitnah.. sama artinya dengan lu tukang fitnah juga...... jelas? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >.. ihh... >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Bukan Pedanda >>>>>>> > <bukan.peda...@yahoo.com >>>>>>> >wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >> ** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> safin _blanc ini jelas berotak babi.. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Tanpa argumen ilmiah dia bilang kesimpulan pakar organisasi dunia >>>>>>> >> itu >>>>>>> >> "fitnah yg dilakukan orang2 yg mau ngelibas islam " >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Edan. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@...> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > .. apa gw bilang? titit lo memang sontoloyo.. >>>>>>> >> > .. bantah tuh kalo lu bisa bantah... >>>>>>> >> > .. disertai bukti.. >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > .. kalo kgak, orang di milis ini akan ketawain lu.. >>>>>>> >> > .. >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > Female genital mutilation or cutting (FGM/C) is the partial or >>>>>>> >> > total >>>>>>> >> > removal of the external genitalia – undertaken for cultural or >>>>>>> >> > other >>>>>>> >> > non-medical reasons – often causing severe pain and sometimes >>>>>>> resulting >>>>>>> >> in >>>>>>> >> > prolonged bleeding, infection, infertility and even death. >>>>>>> >> > .. ini fitnah yg dilakukan orang2 yg mau ngelibas islam, sehingga >>>>>>> orang >>>>>>> >> yg >>>>>>> >> > bayar ongkos perang percaya bhw islam memang perlu dibasmi.... >>>>>>> >> > .. gw kgak pernah dengar ada cw yg mengalami seperti yg lu jadikan >>>>>>> >> > referensi ini.. kecuali tentu saja rasa sakit. infeksi bisa >>>>>>> >> > terjadi >>>>>>> kalo >>>>>>> >> > caranya kgak hygenis, tapi infertility? kematian?.. hah.. kgak >>>>>>> >> > tahu >>>>>>> malu >>>>>>> >> > nyebar pitnah.... >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > .. sunat juga sakit, apa lu kgak sunat? >>>>>>> >> > .. >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 4:22 AM, Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@ >>>>>>> ...>wrote: >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > > ** >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > safin _blanc yang berotak babi dan berpengetahuan dangkal... >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?Cr1=health&NewsID=37478&Cr=women >>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> >> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> >>>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > ..ngapain ngurus yg ginian, apa kgak ada kerjaan lain? gw kgak >>>>>>> pernah >>>>>>> >> > > > denger cw sekeliling gw yg complain soal ini.. termasuk bini >>>>>>> >> > > > gw,.. >>>>>>> >> > > > ..cw juga kgak usil ngurusin laki2 yg sunat... >>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > tp buat lu yg memang mau melibas islam dan orang islam di >>>>>>> >> > > > milis >>>>>>> ini, >>>>>>> >> > > urusan >>>>>>> >> > > > begini aja jadi besar.. >>>>>>> >> > > > ato barangkali bini lu kgak puas? klo dia kgak puas berarti >>>>>>> >> > > > titit >>>>>>> lu >>>>>>> >> yg >>>>>>> >> > > > sontoloyo.... >>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:03 AM, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > > ** >>>>>>> >> > > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > > Hehehe... jadi lu sama sekali ga peduli dgn cewek2 yg >>>>>>> >> > > > > dipotong >>>>>>> >> itilnya >>>>>>> >> > > > > itu, nurut lu, itu urusan mereka, bukan urusan lu. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > > From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> >> > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:24 AM >>>>>>> >> > > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > > >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting >>>>>>> Rite >>>>>>> >> > > > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > > >lu usil kgak ada kerjaan ngurus itil cw. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >itu urusan sesama perempuan.. >>>>>>> >> > > > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > > >lu memang tukang fitnah. >>>>>>> >> > > > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > > >gw bilang kenyataan bhw banyak, banyak sekali muslimah yg >>>>>>> >> bahagia.. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >lu yg penuh fitnah dalam ngelibas islam dan orang islam di >>>>>>> milis >>>>>>> >> > > ini,... >>>>>>> >> > > > > >yang..gw yakin kgak bahagia.. >>>>>>> >> > > > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > > >kasihaaaannn... >>>>>>> >> > > > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > > >On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 5:29 AM, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >>>>>>> >> > > > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> ** >>>>>>> >> > > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> Jadi lu suka ngeliat dan ngedenger cewek tetangga lu >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> ketawa2, >>>>>>> >> > > berarti lu >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> ga ngikutin ajaran Islam yg nindas cewek. Tetangga lu itu >>>>>>> udah >>>>>>> >> > > disunat >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> belum itilnya? >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> Hehehe.... spt yg gua bilang sebelumnya, orang Islam plus >>>>>>> plus >>>>>>> >> itu >>>>>>> >> > > ga >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> peduli sama sekali dgn nasib cewek yg ditindas di negara >>>>>>> syariat >>>>>>> >> > > iblis, >>>>>>> >> > > > > spt >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> cewek yg diperkosa di waktu msh anak2, cewek yg disunat >>>>>>> itilnya, >>>>>>> >> > > cewek >>>>>>> >> > > > > yg >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> disiksa di rumahnya oleh lakinya dsb. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:19 AM >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> > Cutting >>>>>>> >> Rite >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >tetangga gw 8 bersaudara, perempuan semua... udah pada >>>>>>> kawin, >>>>>>> >> dan >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >berbahagia.. kalo ngumpul ketawa mereka lepas sampai >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> > kita >>>>>>> >> > > tetangganya >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >merasakan kegembiraan mrk. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >gw pernah ikut latihan chen-qi di china... suhu kita >>>>>>> bilang,.. >>>>>>> >> > > ngesek >>>>>>> >> > > > > itu >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >perlu, tp orgasm merupakan pemborosan energi yg besar.. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >supaya ingat, si item sinting ini adalah orang yg mau >>>>>>> melibas >>>>>>> >> > > islam dan >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >orang islam di milis ini... >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:11 AM, item abu <itemabu@> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> ** >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Islam itu emang laknatan lil alamin >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> PAKISTAN-INDIA >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> By Zofeen Ebrahim >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> KARACHI, Jan 30, 2012 (IPS) - "It was a dark and dingy >>>>>>> room, >>>>>>> >> > > where an >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> elderly woman asked me to take off my panties, made me >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> sit >>>>>>> >> on a >>>>>>> >> > > low >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> wooden >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> stool with my legs parted and then did something…I >>>>>>> screamed >>>>>>> >> out >>>>>>> >> > > in >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> pain," >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> recalls Alefia Mustansir, 40, of her childhood >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> experience. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Her friend, Sakina Haider, remembers "putting up a >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> good >>>>>>> >> fight" >>>>>>> >> > > before >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> she >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> succumbed. "I was told by my grandmother that I was >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> being >>>>>>> >> taken >>>>>>> >> > > to >>>>>>> >> > > > > the >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> doctor to address burning in the genital area when >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> soap >>>>>>> went >>>>>>> >> > > there >>>>>>> >> > > > > while >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> bathing!" >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Both Haider and Mustansir have refused to have their >>>>>>> >> daughters >>>>>>> >> > > > > undergo >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> circumcision or female genital mutilation/cutting >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> (FGM/C), >>>>>>> >> the >>>>>>> >> > > > > Dawoodi >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Bohras' best-kept secret until young women from the >>>>>>> community >>>>>>> >> > > first >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> began >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> to speak up against it a few years ago. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Bohras, a sub-sect of Ismaili Shia Muslims, are a >>>>>>> tight-knit >>>>>>> >> > > > > community, >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> with a majority residing in India and Pakistan, and >>>>>>> >> estimated to >>>>>>> >> > > > > number >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> two >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> million the world over. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> An article in the Dec. 12 issue of the popular Indian >>>>>>> weekly >>>>>>> >> > > > > `Outlook' >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> says: "Khatna (circumcision) is a tradition the Bohras >>>>>>> trace >>>>>>> >> > > back to >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> their >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> origins in (north) Africa, one they continue with >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> because >>>>>>> >> they >>>>>>> >> > > see >>>>>>> >> > > > > this >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> as >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> an attempt to stay true to their faith." >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> The Outlook article goes on to say that "most Bohra >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> women >>>>>>> >> and men >>>>>>> >> > > > > even >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> today would rather keep this practice a secret rather >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> than >>>>>>> >> > > question a >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> custom that is now universally seen as a gross >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> violation >>>>>>> of a >>>>>>> >> > > woman's >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> body." >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> The World Health Organisation defines FGM/C as a >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> procedure >>>>>>> >> that >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "intentionally alters or injures female genital organs >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> for >>>>>>> >> > > > > non-medical >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> reasons." FGM/C, as practiced in some African >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> countries, >>>>>>> may >>>>>>> >> > > involve >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> removal of the entire clitoris and labia. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> The practice persists in 28 African countries, as well >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> as >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> >> some >>>>>>> >> > > > > Middle >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Eastern countries with varying degrees of cutting or >>>>>>> >> mutilation. >>>>>>> >> > > > > African >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> countries that have banned it include Burkina Faso, >>>>>>> Central >>>>>>> >> > > African >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Republic, Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Togo, Uganda, >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Kenya >>>>>>> >> and >>>>>>> >> > > Egypt. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Bohras insist that their practice is not harmful since >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> it >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> >> done >>>>>>> >> > > > > with >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> care and moderation. Many justify it as a means to >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> curb >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> a >>>>>>> >> woman's >>>>>>> >> > > > > sexual >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> drive and keep her chaste. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Haider finds that argument "highly problematic" and >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> sees >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> >> as a >>>>>>> >> > > way >>>>>>> >> > > > > of >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> controlling women. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Dr. Nighat Shah, former president of the Society of >>>>>>> >> > > Obstetricians and >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Gynaecologists in Pakistan, finds it hard to believe >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> that >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> >> > > > > community as >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "progressive and educated" as the Bohras carries out >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> this >>>>>>> >> > > practice. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "Medically speaking," she explained, "a little snip or >>>>>>> clip >>>>>>> >> (of >>>>>>> >> > > the >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> clitoris) may not affect childbirth, but it may rob >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the >>>>>>> >> woman of >>>>>>> >> > > > > sexual >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> pleasure. It is a very sensitive tissue." >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Another gynaecologist and obstetrician, Dr. Shershah >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Syed, >>>>>>> >> finds >>>>>>> >> > > no >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> medical benefit to support female circumcision. "I am >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> no >>>>>>> >> > > religious >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> scholar, >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> so if a community believes it is an Islamic >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> injunction, >>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>> >> > > suggest >>>>>>> >> > > > > the >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> girls should at least be old enough to understand the >>>>>>> reason >>>>>>> >> so >>>>>>> >> > > that >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> they >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> can make an informed decision." >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "Why do women's sexual drives have to be curbed?" >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Haider >>>>>>> >> asks. >>>>>>> >> > > "Women >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> who >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> are not circumcised are not necessarily promiscuous!" >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> she >>>>>>> >> says. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> A young Indian girl belonging to this Muslim sect, who >>>>>>> goes >>>>>>> >> by >>>>>>> >> > > the >>>>>>> >> > > > > name >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> of >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Tasleem, has now found the courage to initiate an >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> online >>>>>>> >> petition >>>>>>> >> > > > > asking >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the community's high priest, Dr. Syedna Mohammad >>>>>>> >> Burhanuddin, to >>>>>>> >> > > have >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> this >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "cruel, inhuman and undemocratic ritual" stopped. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> The petition addressed to the 96-year-old prelate, who >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> is >>>>>>> >> based >>>>>>> >> > > in >>>>>>> >> > > > > the >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> western Indian city of Mumbai, states: "Such a >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> barbaric >>>>>>> >> ritual >>>>>>> >> > > has no >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> place >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> in a progressive community like the Bohras. So we pray >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> to >>>>>>> His >>>>>>> >> > > > > Holiness >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> to >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> stop this misogynist ritual." Mustansir and Haider are >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> in >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> >> > > minority >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> among >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Bohra women who refuse to accept the practice. Most >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> still >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> >> > > their >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> daughters circumcised because it is an order from the >>>>>>> >> community's >>>>>>> >> > > > > high >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> priest. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "I have blind faith in my leader. I believe there must >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> be >>>>>>> >> some >>>>>>> >> > > > > goodness >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> in >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> this that there is so much insistence," said Zahabia >>>>>>> >> Mohammad, >>>>>>> >> > > 38, >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> mother >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> of three circumcised daughters. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Mohammad conceded that her own experience was "gross" >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> and >>>>>>> >> > > "barbaric", >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> but >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> justifies its continuation because "it is done in a >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> very >>>>>>> safe >>>>>>> >> > > manner >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> today >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> by doctors." >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> She was present for all of her daughters' >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> circumcisions. >>>>>>> "It >>>>>>> >> > > takes >>>>>>> >> > > > > less >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> than five minutes and the procedure is done under >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> local >>>>>>> >> > > anaesthesia. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> Just a >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> very minute bit of the clitoris is clipped off," she >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> said. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> She acknowledged she had little information on the >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> rite >>>>>>> >> except >>>>>>> >> > > what >>>>>>> >> > > > > was >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> told her by an aunt "that the foreskin of the clitoris >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> is >>>>>>> >> > > unclean and >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> circumcision is for the benefit of the women." >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> She also concedes that today, with a deluge of >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> information >>>>>>> >> > > > > circulating >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> against this practice, it is imperative to equip the >>>>>>> >> community >>>>>>> >> > > with >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> information to enable them to make informed decisions. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "Not everyone will accept this blindly, not the next >>>>>>> >> generation. >>>>>>> >> > > They >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> will >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> question and prod, so it is important to prepare >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> them," >>>>>>> she >>>>>>> >> says >>>>>>> >> > > of a >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> rite >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> that is kept secret from male members of the sect. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Tasleem told Outlook that genital cutting happens in >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> all >>>>>>> >> strata >>>>>>> >> > > of >>>>>>> >> > > > > Bohra >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> society. "I'd say 90 percent practise it." >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Arwa Mohammad, who is in her 20s, signed the petition >>>>>>> because >>>>>>> >> > > "it's >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> archaic and nonsensical." She was circumcised when she >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> was >>>>>>> >> seven >>>>>>> >> > > by >>>>>>> >> > > > > her >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> grandmother's doctor friend. "Just goes to show how >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> this >>>>>>> >> ritual >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> perpetuates >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> without anyone questioning!" >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Married a year back, Mohammad was "not traumatised" >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> for >>>>>>> life >>>>>>> >> for >>>>>>> >> > > > > getting >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> circumcised, but cannot comprehend the reason still. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "I >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> >> > > friends >>>>>>> >> > > > > who >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> have been circumcised like me but have a high sex >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> drive. >>>>>>> On >>>>>>> >> the >>>>>>> >> > > other >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> hand, >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> she admits to "frigidity" in bed. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "The thought of snipping off a bit of a young child's >>>>>>> >> clitoris >>>>>>> >> > > gives >>>>>>> >> > > > > me >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the goosebumps," said 37-year-old uncircumcised Amena >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Ali. >>>>>>> >> She >>>>>>> >> > > > > refuses >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> to >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> put her two daughters, aged six and eight - considered >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the >>>>>>> >> right >>>>>>> >> > > age >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> band >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> for circumcision - under the blade. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> The petition, put up last October, has opened an >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> animated >>>>>>> >> forum >>>>>>> >> > > for >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> discussion on both sides of the border, perhaps for >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the >>>>>>> very >>>>>>> >> > > first >>>>>>> >> > > > > time, >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> within the community on a subject that was taboo. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "Initially, only the non-Bohras were signing, but once >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the >>>>>>> >> media >>>>>>> >> > > got >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> into >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the act, many women from the community openly began >>>>>>> talking >>>>>>> >> about >>>>>>> >> > > > > their >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> painful experience," Tasleem told IPS in an email >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> exchange >>>>>>> >> from >>>>>>> >> > > > > India. >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> So far, Tasleem has been able to collect 1,059 >>>>>>> signatures. "I >>>>>>> >> > > will >>>>>>> >> > > > > keep >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> this going till Dr. Syedna bans it. Raising awareness >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> is >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >> > > first >>>>>>> >> > > > > step >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> towards solving the problem." >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "Whether the ritual will be abolished by this >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> petition, >>>>>>> only >>>>>>> >> time >>>>>>> >> > > > > will >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> tell," says Zainab Hussain, 49, but she feels the >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> petition >>>>>>> >> will >>>>>>> >> > > make >>>>>>> >> > > > > a >>>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> difference. 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