Bleki yang tukang kibul itu elu jelas2 elu joint account dengan si uplik si safin jelas2 orang waras,kalau elu orang gila.
________________________________ From: item abu <item...@yahoo.com> To: "proletar@yahoogroups.com" <proletar@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak babi...) Si rezameutia ini ngibul gede2an sambil nunjukin ketololannya, dia bilang semua orang di milis ini tau siapa gua ama Jusfiq. Padahal si safin _blanc itu ga tau siapa gua dan Jusfiq. Apa si safin _blanc ga dianggap sbg orang oleh rezameutia? Atau si rezameutia cuma sedang ngibul doang, cuma krn begitu tololnya, ngibulnya itu langsung ketauan. From: rezameutia <rezameu...@yahoo.com> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 8:00 AM >Subject: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak babi...) > > > > > >semua orang di milis ini udah pasti tau siapa elu ama jusfiq, karena elu >berdua terkenal begonya kelewatan. muke lu berdua tiap hari diludahin ama >semua orang di milis ini. setiap elu berdua nulis, pasti ada aja yang keplak >pala lu karena komentar dungu kalian. > >bayangin aja kelauan elu berdua, si jusfiq adalah orang tua yang otaknya udah >ciut segede biji peler karena junkie selama puluhan tahun. elu udah jelas >kagak punya otak karena sering baca buku sex alkitab sehingga tega ngembat >anak sendiri, ngembat adik sendiri. > >jadi, siapa sih yang nggak tau dua orang retarded di milis ini? > >hehehe.... > >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: >> >> Hehehe ... si safin _blanc ini terus nuduh gua sbg Bukan Pedandaa. Nunjukin >> betapa dungunya dia ini. >>  >> Orang di milis ini umumnya tau siapa Bukan Pedanda itu, dan orang2 yg udah >> lama di milis jg tau bhw gua bukan Bukan Pedanda krn gua udah lama malang >> melintang di milis. Makanya, orang2 di milis pada kabur kalo berhadapan dgn >> gua, hehehe... >>  >>  >> >> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@...> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 11:20 AM >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak babi...) >> > >> >.. sdh gw bilang,.. lu ngaku ato tidak,.. gw kgak rugi juga kgak untung.. >> >.. lu sendiri yg bisa ngitung, mau jujur apa kgak.. >> > >> >.. gw kgak ngotot,.. santai aja.... >> >.. yg suka ngotot dan sering kayak kambing kebakaran jenggot itu lu >> >sendiri, tem,.. >> >.. >> > >> >.. yg suka taik salman rusdi.. >> >.. yg bejat!!! >> >.. dan bagian dari orang yg biadab!!! >> >.. >> >.. ucapan slamat itu lebih cocok buat lu kunyah sendiri... >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >On 2/9/12, item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: >> >> Jadi si dungu ini ngotot bhw gua orang yg sama dgn Bukan Pedanda. >> >> >> >> Selamat deh, lu udah nunjukin bhw lu ini orang super dungu, jauh lebih >> >> dungu >> >> dr orang2 Islam plus plus rata2 yg tahu siapa Bukan Pedanda itu dan bisa >> >> ngebedakan antara gua dgn Bukan Pedanda. >> >> >> >> Hehehe... semua orang Islam itu dungu, tp kadang ada jg yg super dungu. >> >> >> >> >> >> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@...> >> >>>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >>>Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 5:19 PM >> >>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak >> >>> babi...) >> >>> >> >>>... omongan kayak gini cuman buang waktu aja tem,.. >> >>> >> >>>.. lu ngaku ato tidak, kgak ada pengaruh apa2 buat gw.. kgak untung, kgak >> >>> rugi.. >> >>> >> >>>yg jelas, lu orang yg mau ngelibas islam dan orang islam di milis >> >>>ini.. dan dimana-mana lu ngumbar fitnah dan caci maki islam.. >> >>> >> >>>sehingga nato dan un yg dikendalikan amrik bisa melegitimate >> >>>pembantaian orang islam, wanita dan anak2.. >> >>> >> >>>itu aja udah cukup menunjukkan kebejatan lu.. >> >>> >> >>>singkat saja: >> >>> >> >>>b e j a t ......! ! ! bejat!!! >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>On 2/8/12, item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: >> >>>> Hehehe ... udah jelas lu ini tadinya mikir gua sama dgn Bukan Pedanda, >> >>>> sekarang ngakunya sengaja ngomong gitu, ga mau ngaku ketololan lu. Terus >> >>>> lu >> >>>> nambah kegoblokan lu dgn ga percaya atas omongan gua, bertentangan dgn >> >>>> ocehan lu sendiri. >> >>>> >> >>>> Emang orang Islam itu ga ada yg pintar, semuanya dungu, tanpa kecuali. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@...> >> >>>>>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 8:36 AM >> >>>>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak >> >>>>> babi...) >> >>>>> >> >>>>>.. lu yg goblog.. gw memang sengaja supaya lu berdua ngomong jujur.. >> >>>>> >> >>>>>klo lu memang orang berbeda, coba lu kasih biodata lu disini.. >> >>>>>nama: (kgak perlu asli) >> >>>>>umur: (72 taon, kt orang) >> >>>>>pkerjaan: >> >>>>>alamat: (yg ini cukup negara mana, gw kgak mau lu dibunuh terorist, >> >>>>>keenakan lu nanti). >> >>>>> >> >>>>>itu aja.. >> >>>>> >> >>>>>On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:13 AM, item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> ** >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Goblok, gua bukan Bukan Pedanda. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@...> >> >>>>>> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >>>>>> >Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 12:12 AM >> >>>>>> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak >> >>>>>> babi...) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> >..wah gw telat balas tulisan item yg belepotan taik salman rusdi >> >>>>>> > ini... >> >>>>>> >.. bukan kgak mau balas, soalnya gw lagi melancong ... capeknya masih >> >>>>>> >terasa.. >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> >gini tem.. >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> >gw kgak silau oleh tulisan pakar organisasi dunia yg didominasi amrik >> >>>>>> > sama >> >>>>>> >konco2nya yg ngejelekin islam supaya mrk punya legitimasi ngebantai >> >>>>>> > orang >> >>>>>> >islam ...... apalagi tulisan yg ngaco seperti yg lu percaya itu..... >> >>>>>> > apa >> >>>>>> >perempuan disunat lalu kgak bisa beranak? bahkan bisa mati segala?... >> >>>>>> >tulisan pakar organisasi dunia yg ngawur, sama sekali kgak >> >>>>>> > kredibel..... >> >>>>>> >kgak perlu ada studi ilmiah utk bilang tulisan mereka ngawur.. >> >>>>>> > kenyataan >> >>>>>> di >> >>>>>> >dunia nyata sdh jelas bhw statement mereka ngawur.. >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> >dan lu percaya sama tulisan mereka? tentu saja lu percaya karena lu >> >>>>>> > memang >> >>>>>> >bagian dari orang yg mau melibas islam dan orang islam.. dimilis ini >> >>>>>> > .. >> >>>>>> and >> >>>>>> >beyond.. >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> >setiap ada tulisan yg seperti ini lu telen bulat seperti lu telen >> >>>>>> >taik >> >>>>>> >salman rusdi.... dan lu kgak punya malu sebarin tulisan konyol penuh >> >>>>>> >fitnah.. sama artinya dengan lu tukang fitnah juga...... jelas? >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> >.. ihh... >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> >On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Bukan Pedanda >> >>>>>> > <bukan.pedanda@... >> >>>>>> >wrote: >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> >> ** >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> safin _blanc ini jelas berotak babi.. >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> Tanpa argumen ilmiah dia bilang kesimpulan pakar organisasi dunia >> >>>>>> >> itu >> >>>>>> >> "fitnah yg dilakukan orang2 yg mau ngelibas islam " >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> Edan. >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> > .. apa gw bilang? titit lo memang sontoloyo.. >> >>>>>> >> > .. bantah tuh kalo lu bisa bantah... >> >>>>>> >> > .. disertai bukti.. >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> > .. kalo kgak, orang di milis ini akan ketawain lu.. >> >>>>>> >> > .. >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> > Female genital mutilation or cutting (FGM/C) is the partial or >> >>>>>> >> > total >> >>>>>> >> > removal of the external genitalia â€" undertaken for cultural or >> >>>>>> >> > other >> >>>>>> >> > non-medical reasons â€" often causing severe pain and sometimes >> >>>>>> resulting >> >>>>>> >> in >> >>>>>> >> > prolonged bleeding, infection, infertility and even death. >> >>>>>> >> > .. ini fitnah yg dilakukan orang2 yg mau ngelibas islam, sehingga >> >>>>>> orang >> >>>>>> >> yg >> >>>>>> >> > bayar ongkos perang percaya bhw islam memang perlu dibasmi.... >> >>>>>> >> > .. gw kgak pernah dengar ada cw yg mengalami seperti yg lu >> >>>>>> >> > jadikan >> >>>>>> >> > referensi ini.. kecuali tentu saja rasa sakit. infeksi bisa >> >>>>>> >> > terjadi >> >>>>>> kalo >> >>>>>> >> > caranya kgak hygenis, tapi infertility? kematian?.. hah.. kgak >> >>>>>> >> > tahu >> >>>>>> malu >> >>>>>> >> > nyebar pitnah.... >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> > .. sunat juga sakit, apa lu kgak sunat? >> >>>>>> >> > .. >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 4:22 AM, Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@ >> >>>>>> ...>wrote: >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> > > ** >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > >> >>>>>> >> > > >> >>>>>> >> > > >> >>>>>> >> > > safin _blanc yang berotak babi dan berpengetahuan dangkal... >> >>>>>> >> > > >> >>>>>> >> > > >> >>>>>> http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?Cr1=health&NewsID=37478&Cr=women >> >>>>>> >> > > >> >>>>>> >> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, safin _blanc >> >>>>>> >> > > <pandan.wangi558@> >> >>>>>> >> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > ..ngapain ngurus yg ginian, apa kgak ada kerjaan lain? gw >> >>>>>> >> > > > kgak >> >>>>>> pernah >> >>>>>> >> > > > denger cw sekeliling gw yg complain soal ini.. termasuk bini >> >>>>>> >> > > > gw,.. >> >>>>>> >> > > > ..cw juga kgak usil ngurusin laki2 yg sunat... >> >>>>>> >> > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > tp buat lu yg memang mau melibas islam dan orang islam di >> >>>>>> >> > > > milis >> >>>>>> ini, >> >>>>>> >> > > urusan >> >>>>>> >> > > > begini aja jadi besar.. >> >>>>>> >> > > > ato barangkali bini lu kgak puas? klo dia kgak puas berarti >> >>>>>> >> > > > titit >> >>>>>> lu >> >>>>>> >> yg >> >>>>>> >> > > > sontoloyo.... >> >>>>>> >> > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:03 AM, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > ** >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > Hehehe... jadi lu sama sekali ga peduli dgn cewek2 yg >> >>>>>> >> > > > > dipotong >> >>>>>> >> itilnya >> >>>>>> >> > > > > itu, nurut lu, itu urusan mereka, bukan urusan lu. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:24 AM >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >Cutting >> >>>>>> Rite >> >>>>>> >> > > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >lu usil kgak ada kerjaan ngurus itil cw. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >itu urusan sesama perempuan.. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >lu memang tukang fitnah. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >gw bilang kenyataan bhw banyak, banyak sekali muslimah yg >> >>>>>> >> bahagia.. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >lu yg penuh fitnah dalam ngelibas islam dan orang islam di >> >>>>>> milis >> >>>>>> >> > > ini,... >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >yang..gw yakin kgak bahagia.. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >kasihaaaannn... >> >>>>>> >> > > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 5:29 AM, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> > > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> ** >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> Jadi lu suka ngeliat dan ngedenger cewek tetangga lu >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> ketawa2, >> >>>>>> >> > > berarti lu >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> ga ngikutin ajaran Islam yg nindas cewek. Tetangga lu >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> itu >> >>>>>> udah >> >>>>>> >> > > disunat >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> belum itilnya? >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> Hehehe.... spt yg gua bilang sebelumnya, orang Islam >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> plus >> >>>>>> plus >> >>>>>> >> itu >> >>>>>> >> > > ga >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> peduli sama sekali dgn nasib cewek yg ditindas di negara >> >>>>>> syariat >> >>>>>> >> > > iblis, >> >>>>>> >> > > > > spt >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> cewek yg diperkosa di waktu msh anak2, cewek yg disunat >> >>>>>> itilnya, >> >>>>>> >> > > cewek >> >>>>>> >> > > > > yg >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> disiksa di rumahnya oleh lakinya dsb. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:19 AM >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > Cutting >> >>>>>> >> Rite >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >tetangga gw 8 bersaudara, perempuan semua... udah pada >> >>>>>> kawin, >> >>>>>> >> dan >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >berbahagia.. kalo ngumpul ketawa mereka lepas sampai >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > kita >> >>>>>> >> > > tetangganya >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >merasakan kegembiraan mrk. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >gw pernah ikut latihan chen-qi di china... suhu kita >> >>>>>> bilang,.. >> >>>>>> >> > > ngesek >> >>>>>> >> > > > > itu >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >perlu, tp orgasm merupakan pemborosan energi yg besar.. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >supaya ingat, si item sinting ini adalah orang yg mau >> >>>>>> melibas >> >>>>>> >> > > islam dan >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >orang islam di milis ini... >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:11 AM, item abu <itemabu@> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> ** >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Islam itu emang laknatan lil alamin >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> PAKISTAN-INDIA >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> By Zofeen Ebrahim >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> KARACHI, Jan 30, 2012 (IPS) - "It was a dark and >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> dingy >> >>>>>> room, >> >>>>>> >> > > where an >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> elderly woman asked me to take off my panties, made >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> me >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> sit >> >>>>>> >> on a >> >>>>>> >> > > low >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> wooden >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> stool with my legs parted and then did something…I >> >>>>>> screamed >> >>>>>> >> out >> >>>>>> >> > > in >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> pain," >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> recalls Alefia Mustansir, 40, of her childhood >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> experience. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Her friend, Sakina Haider, remembers "putting up a >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> good >> >>>>>> >> fight" >> >>>>>> >> > > before >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> she >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> succumbed. "I was told by my grandmother that I was >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> being >> >>>>>> >> taken >> >>>>>> >> > > to >> >>>>>> >> > > > > the >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> doctor to address burning in the genital area when >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> soap >> >>>>>> went >> >>>>>> >> > > there >> >>>>>> >> > > > > while >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> bathing!" >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Both Haider and Mustansir have refused to have their >> >>>>>> >> daughters >> >>>>>> >> > > > > undergo >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> circumcision or female genital mutilation/cutting >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> (FGM/C), >> >>>>>> >> the >> >>>>>> >> > > > > Dawoodi >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Bohras' best-kept secret until young women from the >> >>>>>> community >> >>>>>> >> > > first >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> began >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> to speak up against it a few years ago. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Bohras, a sub-sect of Ismaili Shia Muslims, are a >> >>>>>> tight-knit >> >>>>>> >> > > > > community, >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> with a majority residing in India and Pakistan, and >> >>>>>> >> estimated to >> >>>>>> >> > > > > number >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> two >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> million the world over. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> An article in the Dec. 12 issue of the popular Indian >> >>>>>> weekly >> >>>>>> >> > > > > `Outlook' >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> says: "Khatna (circumcision) is a tradition the >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Bohras >> >>>>>> trace >> >>>>>> >> > > back to >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> their >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> origins in (north) Africa, one they continue with >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> because >> >>>>>> >> they >> >>>>>> >> > > see >> >>>>>> >> > > > > this >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> as >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> an attempt to stay true to their faith." >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> The Outlook article goes on to say that "most Bohra >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> women >> >>>>>> >> and men >> >>>>>> >> > > > > even >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> today would rather keep this practice a secret rather >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> than >> >>>>>> >> > > question a >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> custom that is now universally seen as a gross >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> violation >> >>>>>> of a >> >>>>>> >> > > woman's >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> body." >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> The World Health Organisation defines FGM/C as a >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> procedure >> >>>>>> >> that >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "intentionally alters or injures female genital >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> organs >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> for >> >>>>>> >> > > > > non-medical >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> reasons." FGM/C, as practiced in some African >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> countries, >> >>>>>> may >> >>>>>> >> > > involve >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> removal of the entire clitoris and labia. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> The practice persists in 28 African countries, as >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> well >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> as >> >>>>>> in >> >>>>>> >> some >> >>>>>> >> > > > > Middle >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Eastern countries with varying degrees of cutting or >> >>>>>> >> mutilation. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > African >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> countries that have banned it include Burkina Faso, >> >>>>>> Central >> >>>>>> >> > > African >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Republic, Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Togo, Uganda, >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Kenya >> >>>>>> >> and >> >>>>>> >> > > Egypt. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Bohras insist that their practice is not harmful >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> since >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> it >> >>>>>> is >> >>>>>> >> done >> >>>>>> >> > > > > with >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> care and moderation. Many justify it as a means to >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> curb >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> a >> >>>>>> >> woman's >> >>>>>> >> > > > > sexual >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> drive and keep her chaste. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Haider finds that argument "highly problematic" and >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> sees >> >>>>>> it >> >>>>>> >> as a >> >>>>>> >> > > way >> >>>>>> >> > > > > of >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> controlling women. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Dr. Nighat Shah, former president of the Society of >> >>>>>> >> > > Obstetricians and >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Gynaecologists in Pakistan, finds it hard to believe >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> that >> >>>>>> a >> >>>>>> >> > > > > community as >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "progressive and educated" as the Bohras carries out >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> this >> >>>>>> >> > > practice. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "Medically speaking," she explained, "a little snip >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> or >> >>>>>> clip >> >>>>>> >> (of >> >>>>>> >> > > the >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> clitoris) may not affect childbirth, but it may rob >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the >> >>>>>> >> woman of >> >>>>>> >> > > > > sexual >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> pleasure. It is a very sensitive tissue." >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Another gynaecologist and obstetrician, Dr. Shershah >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Syed, >> >>>>>> >> finds >> >>>>>> >> > > no >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> medical benefit to support female circumcision. "I am >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> no >> >>>>>> >> > > religious >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> scholar, >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> so if a community believes it is an Islamic >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> injunction, >> >>>>>> I'd >> >>>>>> >> > > suggest >> >>>>>> >> > > > > the >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> girls should at least be old enough to understand the >> >>>>>> reason >> >>>>>> >> so >> >>>>>> >> > > that >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> they >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> can make an informed decision." >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "Why do women's sexual drives have to be curbed?" >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Haider >> >>>>>> >> asks. >> >>>>>> >> > > "Women >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> who >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> are not circumcised are not necessarily promiscuous!" >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> she >> >>>>>> >> says. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> A young Indian girl belonging to this Muslim sect, >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> who >> >>>>>> goes >> >>>>>> >> by >> >>>>>> >> > > the >> >>>>>> >> > > > > name >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> of >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Tasleem, has now found the courage to initiate an >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> online >> >>>>>> >> petition >> >>>>>> >> > > > > asking >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the community's high priest, Dr. Syedna Mohammad >> >>>>>> >> Burhanuddin, to >> >>>>>> >> > > have >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> this >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "cruel, inhuman and undemocratic ritual" stopped. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> The petition addressed to the 96-year-old prelate, >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> who >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> is >> >>>>>> >> based >> >>>>>> >> > > in >> >>>>>> >> > > > > the >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> western Indian city of Mumbai, states: "Such a >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> barbaric >> >>>>>> >> ritual >> >>>>>> >> > > has no >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> place >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> in a progressive community like the Bohras. So we >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> pray >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> to >> >>>>>> His >> >>>>>> >> > > > > Holiness >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> to >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> stop this misogynist ritual." Mustansir and Haider >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> are >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> in >> >>>>>> a >> >>>>>> >> > > minority >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> among >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Bohra women who refuse to accept the practice. Most >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> still >> >>>>>> get >> >>>>>> >> > > their >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> daughters circumcised because it is an order from the >> >>>>>> >> community's >> >>>>>> >> > > > > high >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> priest. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "I have blind faith in my leader. I believe there >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> must >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> be >> >>>>>> >> some >> >>>>>> >> > > > > goodness >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> in >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> this that there is so much insistence," said Zahabia >> >>>>>> >> Mohammad, >> >>>>>> >> > > 38, >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> mother >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> of three circumcised daughters. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Mohammad conceded that her own experience was "gross" >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> and >> >>>>>> >> > > "barbaric", >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> but >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> justifies its continuation because "it is done in a >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> very >> >>>>>> safe >> >>>>>> >> > > manner >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> today >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> by doctors." >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> She was present for all of her daughters' >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> circumcisions. >> >>>>>> "It >> >>>>>> >> > > takes >> >>>>>> >> > > > > less >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> than five minutes and the procedure is done under >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> local >> >>>>>> >> > > anaesthesia. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> Just a >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> very minute bit of the clitoris is clipped off," she >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> said. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> She acknowledged she had little information on the >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> rite >> >>>>>> >> except >> >>>>>> >> > > what >> >>>>>> >> > > > > was >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> told her by an aunt "that the foreskin of the >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> clitoris >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> is >> >>>>>> >> > > unclean and >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> circumcision is for the benefit of the women." >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> She also concedes that today, with a deluge of >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> information >> >>>>>> >> > > > > circulating >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> against this practice, it is imperative to equip the >> >>>>>> >> community >> >>>>>> >> > > with >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> information to enable them to make informed >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> decisions. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "Not everyone will accept this blindly, not the next >> >>>>>> >> generation. >> >>>>>> >> > > They >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> will >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> question and prod, so it is important to prepare >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> them," >> >>>>>> she >> >>>>>> >> says >> >>>>>> >> > > of a >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> rite >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> that is kept secret from male members of the sect. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Tasleem told Outlook that genital cutting happens in >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> all >> >>>>>> >> strata >> >>>>>> >> > > of >> >>>>>> >> > > > > Bohra >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> society. "I'd say 90 percent practise it." >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Arwa Mohammad, who is in her 20s, signed the petition >> >>>>>> because >> >>>>>> >> > > "it's >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> archaic and nonsensical." She was circumcised when >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> she >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> was >> >>>>>> >> seven >> >>>>>> >> > > by >> >>>>>> >> > > > > her >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> grandmother's doctor friend. "Just goes to show how >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> this >> >>>>>> >> ritual >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> perpetuates >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> without anyone questioning!" >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Married a year back, Mohammad was "not traumatised" >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> for >> >>>>>> life >> >>>>>> >> for >> >>>>>> >> > > > > getting >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> circumcised, but cannot comprehend the reason still. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "I >> >>>>>> have >> >>>>>> >> > > friends >> >>>>>> >> > > > > who >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> have been circumcised like me but have a high sex >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> drive. >> >>>>>> On >> >>>>>> >> the >> >>>>>> >> > > other >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> hand, >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> she admits to "frigidity" in bed. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "The thought of snipping off a bit of a young child's >> >>>>>> >> clitoris >> >>>>>> >> > > gives >> >>>>>> >> > > > > me >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the goosebumps," said 37-year-old uncircumcised Amena >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Ali. >> >>>>>> >> She >> >>>>>> >> > > > > refuses >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> to >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> put her two daughters, aged six and eight - >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> considered >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the >> >>>>>> >> right >> >>>>>> >> > > age >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> band >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> for circumcision - under the blade. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> The petition, put up last October, has opened an >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> animated >> >>>>>> >> forum >> >>>>>> >> > > for >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> discussion on both sides of the border, perhaps for >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the >> >>>>>> very >> >>>>>> >> > > first >> >>>>>> >> > > > > time, >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> within the community on a subject that was taboo. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "Initially, only the non-Bohras were signing, but >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> once >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the >> >>>>>> >> media >> >>>>>> >> > > got >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> into >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the act, many women from the community openly began >> >>>>>> talking >> >>>>>> >> about >> >>>>>> >> > > > > their >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> painful experience," Tasleem told IPS in an email >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> exchange >> >>>>>> >> from >> >>>>>> >> > > > > India. >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> So far, Tasleem has been able to collect 1,059 >> >>>>>> signatures. 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