Muter muter terus... Jungkir balik terus...
Sedeng. Einstein bilang:"The WORD GOD is for me Nothing More Than the expression and product of human weaknesses," Jadi dia TIDAK menghargai adanya kata tuhan... Karena jelas buat dia tuhan itu tiada. --- In [email protected], "pinpinyuliansyah" <pinpinyuliansyah@...> wrote: > > Inimah mosti pakai bahasa anak SD terus deh ... gini plik .. > > Misalnya : orang Islam nddak percaya yesus itu TUHAN. Islam tidak percaya > Tuhan Yesus, dari sudut pandang orang karesten, maka orang Islam itu ATEIS. > Orang yang kagak percaya Tuhan yesus, bagi orang Kresten namanya Ateis, > Peduli amat uplik percaya bahwa Pantat Item itu adalah Tuhan bagi uplik, > namun nddak ada ampun. Bagi orang karesten, orang yang nddak percaya sama > Tuhan nya orang karesten itu namanya ateis. Titik. > > Orang Islam percaya Tuhan Allah Swt, nah .. dihadapan orang Islam, orang yang > percaya Yesus, Dewa, mbah jambrong dllsb ... itu namanya ATEIS. Karena > definitif percaya sama Tuhan, bagi Islam ya artinya Percaya Allah Swt. Bukan > percaya sama Allah yang lain. Paham ? > > Abbas Amin nddak percaya Yesus. Abbas tentu akan berkata ""The WORD Jesus is > for me Nothing ! ... " > > Apakah Abbas amin tidak percaya Tuhan itu ada ? > Entar dulu .... Abbas jelas percaya Allah. > > Einstein bukan ateis, bukan juga penganut agama samawi, einstein tidak > percaya konsep Tuhan menurut ajaran agama apapun ... namun einstein tidak > pernah mengatakan bahwa Tuhan itu kagak ada. > > Okeh ? > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > > > Dan seperti biasa, setelah keleleran ketangkap basah pamer kedunguannnya > > mlajka Pinpin muter-muter sambil jungkir balik... > > > > Saya ulang menyampaikan.. > > > > Dan seperti biasanya setelah ketangkap basah nggak tahu arti kata agnostik, > > Pinpin muter-muter dan jungkir balik... > > > > Kali ini dia jungkir balikin perkataan Einstein yang jelas-jelas bilang > > "The WORD GOD is for me Nothing More Than the expression and product of > > human weaknesses," disejejarkannnya dengan omongan keliru Einstein yang > > bilang: "When God created the ass he gave him a thick skin." .. > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "pinpinyuliansyah" <pinpinyuliansyah@> > > wrote: > > > > > > eh si koplok, apanan yang bilang > > > "When God created the ass he gave him a thick skin." .. > > > > > > Siapa coba ? > > > Elo pikir yang ngomong itu Abbas Amin gitu ? > > > > > > Koplok ! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan seperti biasanya setelah ketangkap basah nggak tahu arti kata > > > > agnostik, Pinpin muter-muter dan jungkir balik... > > > > > > > > Kali ini dia jungkir balikin perkataan Einstein yang jelas-jelas > > > > bilang "The WORD GOD is for me Nothing More Than the expression and > > > > product of human weaknesses," disejejarkannnya dengan omongan keliru > > > > Einstein yang bilang: "When God created the ass he gave him a thick > > > > skin." .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "pinpinyuliansyah" <pinpinyuliansyah@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Jadi di sini ke KOPLOK an elo plik ... > > > > > Baca pelan pelan ... > > > > > > > > > > "The WORD GOD is for me Nothing More Than the expression and product > > > > > of human weaknesses," > > > > > > > > > > Baca sekali lagi plok ! > > > > > > > > > > Kata TUHAN bagi sayah ... kagak lebih dari ekspresi dan produk > > > > > kelemahan manusia ... > > > > > > > > > > BEDA kalau einstein nulis : > > > > > "GOD is for me Nothing More Than the expression and product of human > > > > > weaknesses," > > > > > > > > > > Jadi, ... Kata "The WORD GOD ( Bukan "God" )is for me Nothing More > > > > > Than the expression and product of human weaknesses," sejalan dengan > > > > > kata - kata einstein yang ini ni .. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.deism.com/einstein.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jadi, agnostisme itu: > > > > > > > > > > > > "The view that the existence of God or of all deities is unknown, > > > > > > unknowable, unproven, or unprovable." > > > > > > > > > > > > Sedangkan Einstein berkata: "The word God is for me nothing more > > > > > > than the expression and product of human weaknesses," > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "pinpinyuliansyah" > > > > > > <pinpinyuliansyah@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ni Baca Plik ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/agnosticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bandingkan dengan konsep Islam ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuhan - tuhan itu kagak ade ! > > > > > > > Yang ade itu cuma al-illah > > > > > > > Al-Illah ? > > > > > > > is unknown, unknowable, unproven, or unprovable. ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cocok pan ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makanya jadi orang Mosti cerdas Plik ... ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinpin yang sedeng menulis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Aghnostic orang yang tidak percaya apa yang dikatakan oleh > > > > > > > > agama, tapi dia percaya adanya Tuhan . > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nih baca: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/agnostic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "pinpinyuliansyah" > > > > > > > > <pinpinyuliansyah@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aghnostic orang yang tidak percaya apa yang dikatakan oleh > > > > > > > > > agama, tapi dia percaya adanya Tuhan . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hal ini jadinya masuk akal, . Kita manusia hanya bisa menebak > > > > > > > > > nebak saja. Tidak ada yang menjamin kebenaran agama 100%, > > > > > > > > > kecuali tentu saja, oleh penganut agama itu sendiri :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalau Tuhan dianggap tidak ada, kok ada saya ?. Kalau > > > > > > > > > dianggap ada, terus bagaimana membuktikannya ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Aku tidak menganggap bahwa disebut agnostic adalah hinaan, > > > > > > > > > tetapi itu lebih merupakan pujian. Aku tidak berpura-pura > > > > > > > > > tahu ketika banyak orang yang tidak tahu justru yakin." > > > > > > > > > (Clarence Darrow (1857 1938)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Aku percaya bahwa kebahagiaan adalah satu-satunya hal baik, > > > > > > > > > dan cara untuk bisa bahagia adalah membuat orang lain bahagia > > > > > > > > > " (Robert Green Ingersoll (1833-1899).) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Para agnostic mengatakan, bahwa agnostic adalah pilihan > > > > > > > > > paling logis daripada Teis ataupun Ateis. Karena mereka > > > > > > > > > menganggap ajaran Teis ( agama ) adalah sesuatu yang tidak > > > > > > > > > logis. Ajaran tersebut cenderung dipergunakan untuk > > > > > > > > > kepentingan kelompok kelompok. Susahnya lagi, Teis kalau > > > > > > > > > dikritik, malah ngamuk. Kadang diantara orang beragama > > > > > > > > > menggunakan agamanya untuk men justifikasi ( memberikan cap ) > > > > > > > > > orang orang yang tak sepaham atau orang yang tak disukai. > > > > > > > > > Tentu saja justifikasi yang mereka berikan pasti nama jelek, > > > > > > > > > atau menjelekan. Bukankah itu sama dengan fitnah ?, meng-atas > > > > > > > > > namakan agama. Misalnya, bid'ah, kafir, murtad dsb. Jadi > > > > > > > > > untuk apa ribet ribet menggunakan aturan aturan agama kalau > > > > > > > > > pada akhirnya kita meng kafirkan dan memusuhi orang lain ? > > > > > > > > > Kenyataanya memang itulah yang terjadi, banyak orang beragama > > > > > > > > > membuat orang lain menjadi bisa dijauhi orang lainnya, > > > > > > > > > berimbas pada pergaulan sosialnya, kondisi kehidupan orang > > > > > > > > > tersebut menjadi terhambat. Hanya karena kata kata ( fatwa ) > > > > > > > > > sang tokoh agama. Kalau sudah begitu , siapakah yang layak > > > > > > > > > masuk neraka ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], ayub yahya <ayubyahya@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pig... Einstein tuh agnostik, percaya adanya tuhan tapi > > > > > > > > > > "tuhan yang tidak sebatas seperti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yang tertulis di alkitab ato al-quran" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleh einstein, tuhan disebutkan sebagai 'kekuatan misterius' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baca nih ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying > > > > > > > > > > certain laws but only dimly understand these laws. Our > > > > > > > > > > limited minds grasp the mysterious force that moves the > > > > > > > > > > constellations." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > themysterious force bebas aja di tafsirkan.... boleh faktor > > > > > > > > > > X, boleh god, boleh allah, boleh tuhan, > > > > > > > > > > boleh dewa... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sedeng... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yang kudu dipegagn itu fikirannya yang sudah mateng, yang > > > > > > > > > > ditulisnya dengan tangannnya sendiri dan bukan omongannnya > > > > > > > > > > ketika dia masih mencari-cari jawaban atau kutipan yang > > > > > > > > > > tidak bersumber dari tulisan tangannnya sendiri.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terlepas dari itu: buat dia semua agama itu cuman takhayul > > > > > > > > > > doang.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "pinpinyuliansyah" > > > > > > > > > > <pinpinyuliansyah@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Albert Einstein and Religion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (The following quotes are taken from The Quotable > > > > > > > > > > > Einstein, Princeton University Press unless otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > noted) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the > > > > > > > > > > > illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the > > > > > > > > > > > slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and > > > > > > > > > > > feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the > > > > > > > > > > > presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed > > > > > > > > > > > in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (The following is from Einstein and Religion by Max > > > > > > > > > > > Jammer, Princeton University Press) > > > > > > > > > > > "I'm not an atheist, and I don't think I can call myself > > > > > > > > > > > a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child > > > > > > > > > > > entering a huge library filled with books in many > > > > > > > > > > > languages. The child knows someone must have written > > > > > > > > > > > those books. It does not know how. It does not understand > > > > > > > > > > > the languages in which they are written. The child dimly > > > > > > > > > > > suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the > > > > > > > > > > > books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, > > > > > > > > > > > is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being > > > > > > > > > > > toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and > > > > > > > > > > > obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these > > > > > > > > > > > laws. Our limited minds grasp the mysterious force that > > > > > > > > > > > moves the constellations." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (The following is from The Quotable Einstein) > > > > > > > > > > > "Thus I came...to a deep religiosity, which, however, > > > > > > > > > > > reached an abrupt end at the age of 12. Through the > > > > > > > > > > > reading of popular scientific books I soon reached a > > > > > > > > > > > conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could > > > > > > > > > > > not be true....Suspicion against every kind of authority > > > > > > > > > > > grew out of this experience...an attitude which has never > > > > > > > > > > > left me." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in > > > > > > > > > > > awe of the structure of the world, insofar as it allows > > > > > > > > > > > our inadequate senses to appreciate it." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Science without religion is lame, religion without > > > > > > > > > > > science is blind." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the > > > > > > > > > > > objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after > > > > > > > > > > > our own - a God, in short, who is but a reflection of > > > > > > > > > > > human frailty. It is enough for me to contemplate the > > > > > > > > > > > mystery of conscious life perpetuating itself through all > > > > > > > > > > > eternity, to reflect upon the marvelous structure of the > > > > > > > > > > > universe which we can dimly perceive and to try humbly to > > > > > > > > > > > comprehend even an infinitesimal part of the intelligence > > > > > > > > > > > manifested in Nature." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The scientist is possessed by the sense of universal > > > > > > > > > > > causation. His religious feeling takes the form of a > > > > > > > > > > > rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which > > > > > > > > > > > reveals an intelligence of such superiority that , > > > > > > > > > > > compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting > > > > > > > > > > > of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ". . . In spite of all this, I don't let a single > > > > > > > > > > > opportunity pass unheeded, nor have I lost my sense of > > > > > > > > > > > humor. When God created the ass he gave him a thick > > > > > > > > > > > skin." Einstein: The Life and Times by Ronald W. Clark, > > > > > > > > > > > Avon Books. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Where dull-witted clansmen of our tribe were praying > > > > > > > > > > > aloud, their faces turned to the wall, their bodies > > > > > > > > > > > swaying to and fro. A pathetic sight of men with a past > > > > > > > > > > > but without a future." (Regarding his visit to the > > > > > > > > > > > Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, February 3, 1923) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Should we be unable to find a way to honest cooperation > > > > > > > > > > > and honest pacts with the Arabs, then we have learned > > > > > > > > > > > absolutely nothing during our 2,000 years of suffering > > > > > > > > > > > and deserve all that will come to us." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I appeal to all men and women, whether they be eminent > > > > > > > > > > > or humble, to declare that they will refuse to give any > > > > > > > > > > > further assistance to war or the preparation of war." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "It is my belief that the problem of bringing peace to > > > > > > > > > > > the world on a supranational basis will be solved only by > > > > > > > > > > > employing Gandhi's method on a larger scale." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following is from Elsa Einstein, Albert Einstein's > > > > > > > > > > > wife, regarding Einstein's development of the theory of > > > > > > > > > > > general relativity. It's taken from the outstanding book > > > > > > > > > > > Einstein and Religion by Max Jammer. It's originally > > > > > > > > > > > taken from Charles Chaplin's autobiography and widely > > > > > > > > > > > quoted in journals, bios and even as the conference calls > > > > > > > > > > > for papers about Einstein's most famous theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Doctor came down in his dressing gown as usual for > > > > > > > > > > > breakfast but he hardly touched a thing. I thought > > > > > > > > > > > something was wrong, so I asked what was troubling him. > > > > > > > > > > > "Darling," he said, "I have a wonderful idea." And after > > > > > > > > > > > drinking his coffee, he went to the piano and started > > > > > > > > > > > playing. Now and again he would stop, making a few notes > > > > > > > > > > > then repeat: "I've got a wonderful idea, a marvelous > > > > > > > > > > > idea!" I said: "Then for goodness' sake tell me what it > > > > > > > > > > > is, don't keep me in suspense." He said: "It's difficult, > > > > > > > > > > > I still have to work it out." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She told me he continued playing the piano and making > > > > > > > > > > > notes for about half an hour, then went upstairs to his > > > > > > > > > > > study, telling her that he did not wish to be disturbed, > > > > > > > > > > > and remained there for two weeks. "Each day I sent him up > > > > > > > > > > > his meals," she said, "and in the evening he would walk a > > > > > > > > > > > little for exercise, then return to his work again. > > > > > > > > > > > Eventually," she said, "he came down from his study > > > > > > > > > > > looking very pale. "That's it," he told me, wearily > > > > > > > > > > > putting two sheets of paper on the table. And that was > > > > > > > > > > > his theory of relativity." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" > > > > > > > > > > > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sedeng... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Begitu jelas dia bilang "The word God is for me nothing > > > > > > > > > > > > more than the expression and product of human > > > > > > > > > > > > weaknesses," > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "pinpinyuliansyah" > > > > > > > > > > > > <pinpinyuliansyah@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Einstein Itu Deism Plik ... Bukan Atheism ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Coba tengok ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > in awe of the structure of the world, insofar as it > > > > > > > > > > > > > allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Science without religion is lame, religion without > > > > > > > > > > > > > science is blind." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baca di sini .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.deism.com/einstein.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following is from Elsa Einstein, Albert > > > > > > > > > > > > > Einstein's wife, regarding Einstein's development of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the theory of general relativity. It's taken from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > outstanding book Einstein and Religion by Max Jammer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's originally taken from Charles Chaplin's > > > > > > > > > > > > > autobiography and widely quoted in journals, bios and > > > > > > > > > > > > > even as the conference calls for papers about > > > > > > > > > > > > > Einstein's most famous theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jadi Einstein itu bilang semua agama itu cuman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > takhayul doang... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan yang ngomong itu bukan orang sedeng munafik, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tukang fitnah dan tukang nyabo kayak suryana, tapi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > orang pinter... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agar jelas: omongan Einstein itu layak direnungkan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Selanjutnya saya kutip pendapat Hawking: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "When Sawyer asked if there was a way to reconcile > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion and science, Hawking said, "There is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundamental difference between religion, which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > based on authority, [and] science, which is based > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on observation and reason. Science will win because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it works." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Technology/stephen-hawking-religion-science-win/story?id=10830164#.UHkEffcTmSo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "suryana" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <gsuryana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehehe bloon surat Einstein pada dasarnya masih > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ambigu, sayang pengertian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ambigu tidak bisa dimengerti. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Einstein ingin atheis, siapa yg melarang ?, apa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karena jenius maka harus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jadi atheis, lha disini ada binatang yg otaknya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > di peler, boro boro jenius, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jauh panggang dari api. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yg menjadi pointku mengirim bukan karena isi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suratnya, melainkan koq ada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > orang mau beli surat tsb dengan harga yg bisa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dibelikan sikat gigi elektrik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dan jam tangan ber gps masing masing puluhan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kontainer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "muskitawati" <muskitawati@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jadi semua orang2 tua yang ingin anaknya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seperti Einstein agar menjauhkan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > racun2 yang merusak otak anaknya tentang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > klenik2 penyembahan Allah, Tuhan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dewa dewi, dan mistik2 lainnya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hal ini terutama sangat penting bagi umat Islam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dan mereka yang hidup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dalam lingkungan yang Islam. Karena kerusakan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > otak ini bukan hanya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > menyangkut dirinya melainkan juga bangsa dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > negara ini. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ei > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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