Hehehe... si suryana itu make alkitab yg lu bilang cabul itu. suryana itu pasti cabul, bukan?
suryana sendiri malahan ngedukung kibulan lu, berarti dia sependapat dg lu ttg alkitab, dan krn dia make alkitab tsb, maka dia adalah tukang ngembat anak dan ibu sendiri, bukan? Terusin aja ocehan lu, makin banyak lu ngoceh, makin kliatan dungunya suryana dan Teddy. On 7/2/13, rezameutia <rezameu...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Lo demen gw ngomong alkitab yang cabul ya? > Bagus deh, jadi gw bisa ngingetin elo bahwa kelakuan elo yang gila sex itu > nggak beda jauh dengan kelakuan sex anjing yang ngembat bitch... > > Kayak elo tem, son of a bitch fuck the bitch! > > Hehehe... > > . > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@...> wrote: >> >> Ga ada gunanya ngomong panjang lebar ke si reza, otaknya kagak nyampe. >> >> Gua cuma demen aja kl dia ngoceh ttg Alkitab, krn itu nunjukin betapa >> dungunya si suryana dan Teddy shg mereka terus rela jadi anjing buduk >> piaraan orang Islam. >> >> >> >> On 6/30/13, Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@...> wrote: >> > Bang Reza, ada perbedaan besar & jelas antara Alkitab dan Al Qur'an. >> > Alkitab >> > menyampaikan ajaran a.l. dengan membeberkan perbuatan yg baik sebagai >> > teladan, dan juga perbuatan yg jahat, mesum sebagai peringatan agar >> > tidak >> > dilakukan umat Kristiani. >> > >> > >> > Al Qur'an mengajar Muslim untuk mengikuti perkataan, perbuatan, dan >> > teladan >> > Nabi Muhamamad. Sayangnya banyak perbuatan Sang Nabi yg tidak baik, yg >> > mesum, yg seharusnya tidak ditiru. >> > >> > Nah, dlm hal Lot dan anak2 perempuannya kita baca bhw kedua anak >> > perempuan >> > itu menginginkan agar garis keturunan ayahnya dapat langgeng. Caranya >> > dengan >> > tidur dengan ayahnya sendiri dan mengakibatkan keduanya mengandung. Ini >> > jelas tidaankan mesum dan dosa. Anak keturunan dari kedua perempuan itu >> > terbukti mendapat kutukan dari Tuhan-Allah Israel. Sekali lagi ini >> > bukan >> > salah si ayah tapi dosa anak2 perempuannya yg meskipun beritikat baik >> > tapi >> > melanggar hukum agama mereka. >> > >> > Muslim selalu ingin melakukan apa yg dilakukan dan diktakan oleh Nabi >> > Muhammad. Misalnya, meleceha >> > kan kaum perempuan,. Merampok, berdusta, membunuh dan juga menyuruh >> > pengikutnya membunuh pengritik beliau. SangNabi juga meniduri Aisha yg >> > baru >> > umur 9 tahun (setibngkat deg murid kelas 2 SD). Muslim bercita2 dapat >> > mengikuti teladan ini. >> > . >> > >> > Kembali mengenai ketentuan Auloh bhw Islam dan Nabi Muhammad itu hanya >> > untuk >> > penduduk Mekkah dan sekitarnya dapat anda baca sendiri di Surat An'am >> > 6:92. >> > Perkara Nabi Muhammad dan preman2 pengikutnya menyerbu suku2 Yahudi dan >> > di >> > Yathrib dan merampok serta membunuh mereka(dan mengusir yg tidak sempat >> > dibunuh) ini jelas melanggar ajaran Qur'an sendiri. >> > >> > Memang Islam dlm kurun waktu kurang dari 100 tahun berhasil >> > mengalahkan, >> > menundukkan dan menjajah bangsa2 di sekitar Semenanjung Arabia ini >> > kenyataan. Anehnya mnrt Al Qur'an Muslim hanya dibolehkan berperang >> > kalau >> > mereka diserang lebih dulu karena agamanya dan diusir dari kampung >> > halamannya. Apa artinya ini? Mnrt Qur'an Muslim tidak boleh menjadi >> > agresor. >> > Tapi apa yg terjadi sejak Hijarah, Muslim menyerang Mesir, Persia, >> > Iraq, >> > turki, India, pantai utara Afrika bahkan mereka juga sempat merampok >> > Roma >> > dan menjajah semenanjung IBeria (Al Andalus). >> > >> > Ingat bangsa2 yg diserang dan diperbudak oleh Islam iniTIDAK pernah >> > menyerang Nabi Muhammad ataupun para pengikutnya. Jadi Muslim sejak >> > zaman >> > Sang Nabi adalah penyerang, agressors yg keji. And mungkin pernah baca >> > sejarah Perang 6 Hari. Di mana negara yahudi Israel diserang, dikerubut >> > oleh >> > 7 negara Islami - tanpa alasan kecuali ajaran kebencian yg ditanampkan >> > oleh >> > Islam thdp umat Yahudi. Alhamdulillah, ke-7 penyerbu, penyerang Islam >> > ini >> > kalaha hanya dlm waktu 6 hari. Negara2 ini akibatnya kehilangan >> > berbagai >> > wilayahnya. >> > >> > Muslim dari banyak negara Islami pergi ke negara2 kafir untuk minta >> > visa >> > perlindungan. JutaanMuslim dari Afrika, Mesir, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, >> > Sudan, Pakistan dsb. berbondong2 menyelundupkan diri ke negara Barat >> > (kafir). Mengapa mereka tideak bahagia tinggal di negeri2 yg Islami yg >> > katanya mengikuti Syariah Islam yg jitu. Ini juga bukti nyata bhw Islam >> > bukanlah rahmatan il alamin tetapi justru sebaliknya menjadi mush dunia >> > beradab dan benalu penghisap kebaikan hati bangsa2 yg beragama >> > setidaknya >> > beradaban kristiani. >> > >> > Coba renungkan sejenak. >> > >> > Gabriella >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > >> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> > Sent: Sunday, 30 June 2013 9:31 AM >> > Subject: Agama yg kompatibel dg akal? Re: [proletar] Re: Islam at war >> > with >> > itself! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Hehehe... >> > >> > Setelah lo ngibul kemarin tentang nabi lot yang tukang minum dan >> > pemabuk, >> > sekarang lo masih juga muke tebel mau ngibul lagi tentang quran. >> > >> > Entah lo itu memang dogol asli atau memang tukang kibul muka tebal yang >> > nggak tau malu, tapi yang udah jelas sih lo itu agamanya kristen. >> > >> > Seperti udah sering gw bilang, al quran itu untuk orang yang berpikir. >> > Makanya, ajaran islam tidak sama seperti ajaran kristen yang penuh >> > dogma. >> > >> > Jadi, kalo lo ngomong bawa2 ayat bahwa islam hanya untuk orang2 di >> > mekkah >> > dan sekitarnya kenyataannya islam lalu berkembang ke Medinah, lalu >> > berkembang ke seluruh jazirah arab, lalu islam berkembang lagi ke >> > seluruh >> > penjuru dunia. >> > >> > Kenyataannya yang tidak bisa dipungkiri bahwa agama islam menyebar ke >> > seluruh penjuru dunia dan sampe sekarang malahan islam berkembang pesat >> > melebihi agama2 lainnya di dunia. >> > >> > Dalam islam itu ada tingkatan yang disebut rasul, nabi, auliya, wali, >> > yang >> > bisa aja berasal dari penduduk setempat yang menyebarkan dan >> > mengajarkan >> > islam sesuai dengan kebudayaannya masing2. >> > >> > Ayat2 yang tertulis di al quran berhubungan dan saling terkait satu >> > sama >> > lainnya. Kalo lo sudah terbiasa membaca alkitab yang penuh dogma >> > karena >> > nggak pake akal tentunya lo nggak akan bisa ngerti quran yang >> > membacanya >> > harus pake akal. >> > >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: >> >> >> >> Memang bener Islam sesuai dengan kebudayaan setempat. Tepatnya sesuai >> >> dg >> >> budaya dan adat-istiadat Mekkah dan mereka yg tinggal di sekitar Ummul >> >> qura! >> >> >> >> Kalian harus mengakui bhw Qur'an diturunkan khusus untuk Mekkah dan >> >> sekitarnya. Nabi Muhammad juga dipilih oleh Auloh khusus untuk orang2 >> >> Arab >> >> yg bermukim di Mekkah dan sekitarnya.Sebelum ada yg mau berdusta >> >> (ber-Al >> >> Taqiyya) Auloh mnyatakan bhw 'kepada setiap umat-bangsa dikirim >> >> seorang >> >> nabi yg berasal dari suku-bangsa tsb.' Supaya nabi setempat itu dpt >> >> menyampaikan perintahAuloh dlm bahasa setempat yg tentunya dimengerti >> >> orang setempat dan yg tahu adat-istiadat, budaya setempat. >> >> >> >> Inilah yg tertulis dlm Al Qur'an Karim. Tidak ada perintah Auloh agar >> >> Islam disesuaikan dengan budaya Aceh, Minang ataupun Jawa. Kalau >> >> sampai >> >> ada penyesuaian ajaran Islam dg budaya, adat setempat di luarMekkah, >> >> maka >> >> ini sudah jelas melanggar perintah Auloh. >> >> >> >> Gabriella >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: rezameutia <rezameutia@> >> >> To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >> Sent: Friday, 28 June 2013 7:46 PM >> >> Subject: Agama yg kompatibel dg akal? Re: [proletar] Re: Islam at war >> >> with >> >> itself! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>  >> >> >> >> >> >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Hehehe... kapan Islam hrs ngikut adat setempat? Coba tunjukin ayat >> >> > mana yg bilang spt itu? >> >> > >> >> >> >> Lah..., kan gw udah bilang, Islam di Indonesia, Islam di Pakistan, >> >> Islam >> >> di Arab, semuanya beda2 berdasarkan adat istiadat setempat. Cuma >> >> aqidah >> >> nya tetep sama Islam di seluruh dunia. >> >> >> >> Gini deh tem..., gw nggak usah jauh2 ngomong perbedaan Islam di luar >> >> negeri deh. Susah sih ngomong ama kristen dogol kayak eloy ang >> >> kapasitas >> >> otaknya terbatas. >> >> >> >> Islam di Jawa jelas berbeda dengan Islam di Minang. >> >> >> >> Islam di Jawa patriarch, Islam di Minang matriarch. >> >> Islam di Jawa berziarah ke makam, Islam di Minang nggak pernah ziarah >> >> kubur. >> >> >> >> Ini kan udah jelas, adat istiadat Jawa dan Minang berbeda tapi >> >> agamanya >> >> tetap sama, Islam. Jadi, memang Islam itu udah jelas beradaptasi >> >> ngikutin >> >> adat istiadat setempat. Ngerti nggak, njing..?? >> >> >> >> > Lu kan ngaku secara implisit bhw Quran bilang kesaksian cewek itu >> >> > 1/2 >> >> > dr kesaksian cowok. Emangnya lalu orang bisa buang ayat QUran itu >> >> > unt >> >> > diganti dgn hukum lain yg lbh masuk akal? >> >> > >> >> > Kl gitu, ayat Quran yg bilang kesaksian cewek 1/2 dr kesaksian cowok >> >> > itu ga masuk akal, bukan? >> >> > >> >> > Dan lu milih2 ayat spy bisa lu sesuaikan dgn adat setempat. >> >> > >> >> > Silakan aja lu kaing2 ttg 65:4, tafsir bilang persis spt yg gua >> >> > bilang. >> >> > >> >> >> >> Gw udah bilang, kesaksian cewek 1/2 dari kesaksian cowok bisa aja >> >> terjadi >> >> di negara arab ato di afghanistan, tapi yang jelas kesaksian cewek di >> >> Indonesia sama aja dengan kesaksian cowok. >> >> >> >> Cuman kan, lo dan gerombolan kristen anjing dogol kagak punya otak >> >> sering >> >> copas kejadian berita di arab, di pakistan, di afghanistan mulu. >> >> >> >> Udah deh, lo kasih aja ayat 65:4, lalu lo bahas dan debat langsung sama >> >> gw >> >> disini pake pemikiran lo sendiri yang orisinal. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Lu ga mau ngikutin tafsir, Quran dan sunnah, itu artinya lu bukan >> >> > muslim yg mukmin. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> Ya memang beda gw sama elo. >> >> >> >> Gw, di agama Islam, musti dipake otaknya. Segala macem keputusan >> >> musti >> >> dipertimbangkan baik dan buruknya, istilah Islamnya 'manfaat dan >> >> mudharatnya'. Setelah melalui pertimbangan yang matang barulah >> >> keputusan >> >> diambil. >> >> >> >> Lo kan memang kristen sejati, kristen yang taat dan selalu mengikuti >> >> perintah alkitab. Makanya lo tega ngembat ibu lo sendiri, lo halal >> >> ngebuntingin anak lo sendiri, karena itu kan sesuai dengan perintah >> >> alkitab yang penuh dogma. >> >> >> >> Bener gitu kan, tem? >> >> >> >> Hehehe... >> >> >> >> > >> >> > On 6/27/13, rezameutia <rezameutia@> wrote: >> >> > > Coba >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Lu ga pernah mau ngaku apa isi 65:4. >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Ah.., omongan lo muter2 mulu kayak anjing lagi ngejar ekornya. >> >> > > >> >> > > Dulu kan ayat 65:4 ini udah pernah dibahas kalo lo sekarang mau >> >> > > ngebahas >> >> > > lagi, silahkan aja kasih ayat ini dan ngebahas lagi tentang masa >> >> > > iddah >> >> > > itu. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> Hehehe... jadi lu ngaku bhw Quran bilang kesaksian cewek itu 1/2 >> >> > >> dr >> >> > >> kesaksian cowok, bukan? >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Kalo misal ada negara muslim yg ga melaksanakan konsep itu, itu >> >> > >> sih >> >> > >> cuma sekedar milih2 ayat yg ga disukai unt ga diterapkan. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Knp ayat yg bilang kesaksian cewek 1/2 dr kesaksian cowok itu ga >> >> > >> diterapkan? Jawabnya adalah krn ga masuk akal krn ga sesuai dgn >> >> > >> fakta, >> >> > >> melecehkan cewek dan nindas cewek. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Betul ga yg gua bilang? >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Lu tanya ajaran Islam mana yg ga masuk akal, gua udah ngasih >> >> > >> contohnya >> >> > >> unt ngebuktikan kebenaran omongan gua. >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Mana ada yang bener omongan manusiia berotak kosong dan bermental >> >> > > anjing >> >> > > kayak elo? >> >> > > Gw kan udah kasih jawaban dibawah tuh tentang kesaksian perempuan >> >> > > di >> >> > > Indonesia, artinya Islam sebagai agama universal beradaptasi >> >> > > dengan >> >> > > adat >> >> > > istiadat setempat. >> >> > > >> >> > > Makanya orang Islam di Arab, orang Islam di Pakistan, orang Islam >> >> > > di >> >> > > Amerika, orang Islam di Indonesia, semuanya berbeda karena adat >> >> > > istiadatnyanya berbeda. >> >> > > >> >> > > Kristen2 dogol kayak elo selalu copas berita2 dari Arab, Pakistan, >> >> > > Aghan, >> >> > > dan bilang Islam itu sama. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> Kl lu mau kaing2 tentang Alkitab, silakan aja lu terusin kaing2 >> >> > >> lu. >> >> > >> Gua ga hrs ngelayanin kaing2 dr anjing buduk kejepit buntut. >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Bagus deh... >> >> > > >> >> > > Artinya lo mengakui bahwa alkitab isinya cabul dan sesat, makanya >> >> > > lo >> >> > > halal >> >> > > ngembat ibu lo sendiri, halal ngembat anak sendiri seperti anjing >> >> > > seperti >> >> > > perintah di alkitab. Hehehe.... >> >> > > >> >> > > Memang bukan cuma lo aja kok yang ngacir kalo membahas ayat2 di >> >> > > alkitab yang >> >> > > cabul dan sesat. Pendeta nub aja nggak berani membantah bahwa >> >> > > alkitab >> >> > > memang cabul dan sesat kok... >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> BUat gua, semakin sering lu kaing2 spt itu, semakin kliatan >> >> > >> betapa >> >> > >> dungunya anjing2 buduk piaraan orang Islam spt suryana dan Teddy. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> On 6/26/13, rezameutia <rezameutia@> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> Ngasih masa iddah ke cewek ingusan yg blm mens itu masuk akal >> >> > >> >> ga? >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > Mana ada yang disebut 'masa iddah ke cewe ingusan yang blom >> >> > >> > mens'? >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > Ini kan cuman opini goblok lo aja. >> >> > >> > Udah pernah kan lo berdebat dengan gw tentang masa iddah bukan >> >> > >> > untuk >> >> > >> > cewe >> >> > >> > ingusan, tapi lo tetep aja dengan pikiran opini dogol lo >> >> > >> > nganggap >> >> > >> > masa >> >> > >> > iddah >> >> > >> > adalah cewe ingusan yang blom mens. >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > Lo bisa browsing di internet yang namanya masa iddah... >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> Kesaksian cewek 1/2 dr kesaksiakn cowok masuk akal ga? >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > Kenyataannya, saksi cw nggak kayak gitu di negara Muslim, dan >> >> > >> > juga >> >> > >> > negara >> >> > >> > muslim terbesar di dunia seperti di Indonesia, semua saksi cewe >> >> > >> > harganya >> >> > >> > sama dengan saksi cowo. >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > Lha.., kok lo ngacir ketika ditanya tentang ayat2 di alkitab >> >> > >> > yang >> >> > >> > cabul >> >> > >> > dan >> >> > >> > sesat, tem? Karena tidak ada orang kristen dan bahkan pendeta >> >> > >> > kristen >> >> > >> > yang >> >> > >> > membantah hal itu, artinya lo mengakui bahwa alkitab itu cabul >> >> > >> > dan >> >> > >> > sesat >> >> > >> > ya? >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> On 6/25/13, rezameutia <rezameutia@> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Yang mana ajaran Islam yang nggak masuk akal? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Hadis memang musti dipilih2 karena orang Islam tau ada hadis >> >> > >> >> > palsu >> >> > >> >> > dan >> >> > >> >> > hadis >> >> > >> >> > sahih. Itu yang gw bilang musti dipake akalnya. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Beda dengan elo dan kristen dogol yang nggak dipake akalnya. >> >> > >> >> > Tertulis >> >> > >> >> > di >> >> > >> >> > alkitab halal ngembat ibu sendiri, lo embat ibu lo sendiri, >> >> > >> >> > halal >> >> > >> >> > ngembat >> >> > >> >> > anak sendiri, lo embat anak lo sendiri sampe bunting. Halal >> >> > >> >> > memperkosa >> >> > >> >> > adik >> >> > >> >> > lo sendiri, lo perkosa adik lo juga. Memang agama kristen >> >> > >> >> > penuh >> >> > >> >> > dengan >> >> > >> >> > dogma, seperti diakui oleh tawangalun asli kok. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Lalu, apa bedanya lo sama anjing tem? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> Si reza ngaku di milis ini bhw dia pilih2 hadis yg sesuai >> >> > >> >> >> seleranya, >> >> > >> >> >> artinya hadis yg ga dipilih itu kalo bukannya dia ga suka >> >> > >> >> >> ya >> >> > >> >> >> dia >> >> > >> >> >> anggap ga masuk akal. Dgn sendirinya, ayat QUran jg >> >> > >> >> >> diperlakukan >> >> > >> >> >> sama >> >> > >> >> >> spt hadis, jg ajaran Islam yg ada di syariat iblisnya. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> Ngakunya sih agamanya itu kompatibel dg akal, padahal yg >> >> > >> >> >> tjd >> >> > >> >> >> adalah >> >> > >> >> >> agamanya disesuaikan dgn kemauannya, krn ga kompatibel. Hrs >> >> > >> >> >> dimodifikasi. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> Emang dungu orang2 Islam itu. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> On 6/23/13, Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> > And I qooute "Islam bikin cerdas dan pilihan agama harus >> >> > >> >> >> > kompatibel >> >> > >> >> >> > dengan >> >> > >> >> >> > akal". >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > Apakah ini berarti ajaran Islam kompatibel dg akal? >> >> > >> >> >> > - Agama yg mengajarkan permusuhan; >> >> > >> >> >> > - Agama yg menelecehkan 50% dari manusia yaitukiaum >> >> > >> >> >> > perempuan yg >> >> > >> >> >> > diangap >> >> > >> >> >> > deficient dlm akal; >> >> > >> >> >> > - Agama yg mengamini tahayul: nabi naik Bouraq ke sorga; >> >> > >> >> >> > - Agama yg salah ngajarin ttg embryo development; >> >> > >> >> >> > - Agama yg ngajarin ada 7 langit dan 7 bumi; >> >> > >> >> >> > - Agama yg bilang bhw matahari terbenam di mataa air >> >> > >> >> >> > keruh >> >> > >> >> >> > di >> >> > >> >> >> > ujung >> >> > >> >> >> > barat >> >> > >> >> >> > bumi (artinya buminya datar spt tempat tidur orang bedu); >> >> > >> >> >> > - Agama yg ajarannya saling bertentangan. Misalnya: >> >> > >> >> >> > agamamu >> >> > >> >> >> > bagi >> >> > >> >> >> > mu >> >> > >> >> >> > dst. >> >> > >> >> >> > tapi bunuhlah mereka yg tidak percaya pd Alah dan Nabi >> >> > >> >> >> > dan >> >> > >> >> >> > puluhan >> >> > >> >> >> > lainnya. >> >> > >> >> >> > - Kalau hal2 di atas mnrt anda kompatibel dg akal, maka >> >> > >> >> >> > aku >> >> > >> >> >> > pikir >> >> > >> >> >> > akalnya yg >> >> > >> >> >> > kurang waras dan sekedar akal2n. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > Gabriella >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > PS >> >> > >> >> >> > Tanya pd diri anda kenapa jutaan Muslim berbondong2 ingin >> >> > >> >> >> > bernaung >> >> > >> >> >> > di >> >> > >> >> >> > negara2 kafir? >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > ________________________________ >> >> > >> >> >> > From: rezameutia <rezameutia@> >> >> > >> >> >> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >> > >> >> >> > Sent: Sunday, 23 June 2013 5:38 PM >> >> > >> >> >> > Subject: [proletar] Re: Islam at war with itself! >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > Si gabby lagi ngayal... >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> Kalau keadaan spt ini berlangsung dlm dekade2 mendatang, >> >> > >> >> >> >> maka >> >> > >> >> >> >> tidak >> >> > >> >> >> >> mustahil kalau Islam akan hancur dari dalam. Islam might >> >> > >> >> >> >> implode >> >> > >> >> >> >> without >> >> > >> >> >> >> any interference from any outside agencies. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > Padahal udah jelas menurut Pew Research, Islam adalah >> >> > >> >> >> > agama >> >> > >> >> >> > yang >> >> > >> >> >> > paling >> >> > >> >> >> > bersinar dan Kristen agama yang meredup ditinggalkan >> >> > >> >> >> > pengikutnya. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > Semuanya udah jelas, ajaran goblok yang penuh dogma akan >> >> > >> >> >> > ditinggalkan >> >> > >> >> >> > pengikutnya karena manusia udah semakin cerdas dan >> >> > >> >> >> > pilihan >> >> > >> >> >> > agama >> >> > >> >> >> > harus >> >> > >> >> >> > kompatibel dengan akal. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Gabriella Rantau >> >> > >> >> >> > <gkrantau@> >> >> > >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> FYI: article dari Pakistan yg menarik yg menunjukkan >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslim >> >> > >> >> >> >> saling >> >> > >> >> >> >> memushi >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslim. Balas dendam dianggap sebagai keadilan. >> >> > >> >> >> >> Memaafkan >> >> > >> >> >> >> dianggap >> >> > >> >> >> >> sebagai >> >> > >> >> >> >> kelemahan! Kalau keadaan spt ini berlangsung dlm dekade2 >> >> > >> >> >> >> mendatang, >> >> > >> >> >> >> maka >> >> > >> >> >> >> tidak mustahil kalau Islam akan hancur dari dalam. Islam >> >> > >> >> >> >> might >> >> > >> >> >> >> implode >> >> > >> >> >> >> without any interference from any outside agencies. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Gabriella >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> June 20, 2013 hancurSpecial Dispatch No.5342 >> >> > >> >> >> >> Article In Pakistani >> >> > >> >> >> >> Daily â€" 'Islam At War â€" With Itself': 'Muslim >> >> > >> >> >> >> Societies >> >> > >> >> >> >> Have... >> >> > >> >> >> >> Evolved >> >> > >> >> >> >> Into Places Where Revenge Is Confused With Justice, >> >> > >> >> >> >> Forgiveness >> >> > >> >> >> >> With >> >> > >> >> >> >> Weakness, And Peace With Cowardice' >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Pakistan and many Islamic countries are witnessing >> >> > >> >> >> >> targeted >> >> > >> >> >> >> killings of Shia Muslims by Sunni jihadi forces such as >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> Taliban >> >> > >> >> >> >> and >> >> > >> >> >> >> Al-Qaeda (image courtesy: shiapost.om) >> >> > >> >> >> >> Given below are excerpts from an article that appeared in >> >> > >> >> >> >> a >> >> > >> >> >> >> leading >> >> > >> >> >> >> Pakistani daily following the June 15, 2013 terror >> >> > >> >> >> >> attacks >> >> > >> >> >> >> in >> >> > >> >> >> >> Quetta, >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> capital of Pakistan's Baluchistan province, where a >> >> > >> >> >> >> female >> >> > >> >> >> >> suicide >> >> > >> >> >> >> bomber >> >> > >> >> >> >> attacked a bus carrying female students and later the >> >> > >> >> >> >> militants >> >> > >> >> >> >> laid >> >> > >> >> >> >> siege >> >> > >> >> >> >> to a >> >> > >> >> >> >> medical complex where the injured were being treated. >> >> > >> >> >> >> The article, titled "Islam at War â€" With >> >> > >> >> >> >> Itself" by prominent commentator Murtaza Haider, was >> >> > >> >> >> >> published >> >> > >> >> >> >> by >> >> > >> >> >> >> Dawn, >> >> > >> >> >> >> a >> >> > >> >> >> >> liberal Pakistani newspaper. In it, Haider argues that >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> debate >> >> > >> >> >> >> in the Islamic world focuses on the conflicts where >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslims >> >> > >> >> >> >> are >> >> > >> >> >> >> oppressed >> >> > >> >> >> >> by >> >> > >> >> >> >> non-Muslims, while conveniently failing to raise a debate >> >> > >> >> >> >> as >> >> > >> >> >> >> to >> >> > >> >> >> >> why >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslims are >> >> > >> >> >> >> killing Muslims. >> >> > >> >> >> >> Following are excerpts from the article:[1] >> >> > >> >> >> >> "From Aleppo In Syria To Quetta In Baluchistan, Muslims >> >> > >> >> >> >> Are >> >> > >> >> >> >> Engaged In The Slaughter Of Other Muslims"; "Many Wonder >> >> > >> >> >> >> If >> >> > >> >> >> >> The >> >> > >> >> >> >> Belief In Islam Is Sufficient To Bind Muslims In Peace >> >> > >> >> >> >> With >> >> > >> >> >> >> Each >> >> > >> >> >> >> Other" >> >> > >> >> >> >> "From Aleppo in Syria to Quetta in >> >> > >> >> >> >> Baluchistan, Muslims are engaged in the slaughter of >> >> > >> >> >> >> other >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslims. >> >> > >> >> >> >> The >> >> > >> >> >> >> numbers >> >> > >> >> >> >> are enormous: over >> >> > >> >> >> >> 93,000 killed in the Syrian civil war and over >> >> > >> >> >> >> 48,000 dead in Pakistan [since 2004]. >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Millions >> >> > >> >> >> >> have perished in similar intra-Muslim conflicts in the >> >> > >> >> >> >> past >> >> > >> >> >> >> four >> >> > >> >> >> >> decades. >> >> > >> >> >> >> Many >> >> > >> >> >> >> wonder if the belief in Islam is sufficient to bind >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslims >> >> > >> >> >> >> in >> >> > >> >> >> >> peace >> >> > >> >> >> >> with >> >> > >> >> >> >> each >> >> > >> >> >> >> other. >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Since >> >> > >> >> >> >> the end of the Second World War, the world has moved in >> >> > >> >> >> >> two >> >> > >> >> >> >> distinct >> >> > >> >> >> >> directions. The West, mostly Christian, has tried to >> >> > >> >> >> >> minimize >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> intra-European conflict and has largely been successful >> >> > >> >> >> >> with >> >> > >> >> >> >> some >> >> > >> >> >> >> exceptions. >> >> > >> >> >> >> The Muslim world, on the other hand, has fallen into one >> >> > >> >> >> >> violent >> >> > >> >> >> >> conflict >> >> > >> >> >> >> after >> >> > >> >> >> >> another, involving mostly Muslims. >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Several >> >> > >> >> >> >> intra-Muslim conflicts continue to simmer as proxy wars. >> >> > >> >> >> >> In >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> '80s, >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> Iran-Iraq war alone left millions dead. More recently, a >> >> > >> >> >> >> car >> >> > >> >> >> >> bomb >> >> > >> >> >> >> in >> >> > >> >> >> >> Iraq >> >> > >> >> >> >> on >> >> > >> >> >> >> Sunday [June 16, 2013] killed another 39 in the >> >> > >> >> >> >> sectarian >> >> > >> >> >> >> warfare >> >> > >> >> >> >> between >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> Shias and Sunnis that killed at least 1,045 in May >> >> > >> >> >> >> 2013." >> >> > >> >> >> >> "The >> >> > >> >> >> >> Overwhelming Evidence... Suggests That The Sectarian And >> >> > >> >> >> >> Tribal >> >> > >> >> >> >> Divisions >> >> > >> >> >> >> Amongst Muslims And Justifying Violence In The Name Of >> >> > >> >> >> >> Religion >> >> > >> >> >> >> Are >> >> > >> >> >> >> The >> >> > >> >> >> >> Primary >> >> > >> >> >> >> Causes Of Why Islam Is At War With Itself" >> >> > >> >> >> >> "As the >> >> > >> >> >> >> violence amongst Muslims increases, most Muslims prefer >> >> > >> >> >> >> denial, >> >> > >> >> >> >> or >> >> > >> >> >> >> look >> >> > >> >> >> >> for scapegoats. >> >> > >> >> >> >> Those in denial believe no such violence exists and the >> >> > >> >> >> >> entire >> >> > >> >> >> >> issue >> >> > >> >> >> >> is >> >> > >> >> >> >> made up >> >> > >> >> >> >> by the Western-controlled media. Others blame it on >> >> > >> >> >> >> scapegoats >> >> > >> >> >> >> â€" >> >> > >> >> >> >> Indians >> >> > >> >> >> >> and >> >> > >> >> >> >> Americans are the most frequently blamed. >> >> > >> >> >> >> "The >> >> > >> >> >> >> overwhelming evidence, however, suggests that the >> >> > >> >> >> >> sectarian >> >> > >> >> >> >> and >> >> > >> >> >> >> tribal >> >> > >> >> >> >> divisions amongst Muslims and justifying violence in the >> >> > >> >> >> >> name of >> >> > >> >> >> >> religion >> >> > >> >> >> >> are >> >> > >> >> >> >> the primary causes of why Islam is at war with itself. >> >> > >> >> >> >> "In >> >> > >> >> >> >> Pakistan, confessions and appalling claims of >> >> > >> >> >> >> responsibility >> >> > >> >> >> >> by >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> spokespersons for the Tehreek-e-Taliban and >> >> > >> >> >> >> Lashkar-e-Jhangvi >> >> > >> >> >> >> should >> >> > >> >> >> >> leave >> >> > >> >> >> >> no >> >> > >> >> >> >> doubt [as to] where the guilt resides. At the same time, >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> Pakistani >> >> > >> >> >> >> intelligence >> >> > >> >> >> >> agencies have put together incriminating evidence >> >> > >> >> >> >> running >> >> > >> >> >> >> into >> >> > >> >> >> >> hundreds >> >> > >> >> >> >> of >> >> > >> >> >> >> thousands of pages against the extremist sectarian >> >> > >> >> >> >> outfits, >> >> > >> >> >> >> Al-Qaeda >> >> > >> >> >> >> affiliates, the nationalist militias in Baluchistan, and >> >> > >> >> >> >> others >> >> > >> >> >> >> who >> >> > >> >> >> >> have >> >> > >> >> >> >> perpetrated indiscriminate violence against civilians >> >> > >> >> >> >> and >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> state >> >> > >> >> >> >> resulting >> >> > >> >> >> >> in over 48,000 deaths since 2004. >> >> > >> >> >> >> "The >> >> > >> >> >> >> hate-fuelled gulfs that divide Muslims are so wide that >> >> > >> >> >> >> not >> >> > >> >> >> >> only >> >> > >> >> >> >> unarmed >> >> > >> >> >> >> civilians, but doctors and others who try to save >> >> > >> >> >> >> victims >> >> > >> >> >> >> of >> >> > >> >> >> >> violence >> >> > >> >> >> >> are >> >> > >> >> >> >> also >> >> > >> >> >> >> targeted by the extremists.The attack on the Bolan >> >> > >> >> >> >> Medical >> >> > >> >> >> >> Complex >> >> > >> >> >> >> on >> >> > >> >> >> >> Saturday [June 15, 2013 in Quetta], >> >> > >> >> >> >> which left scores dead, including four nurses, was not >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> first >> >> > >> >> >> >> of >> >> > >> >> >> >> its >> >> > >> >> >> >> kind. A >> >> > >> >> >> >> sectarian [Shia-Sunni] attack in Karachi in February >> >> > >> >> >> >> 2010 >> >> > >> >> >> >> was >> >> > >> >> >> >> followed >> >> > >> >> >> >> by >> >> > >> >> >> >> a bomb attack on the Jinnah Postgraduate Medical >> >> > >> >> >> >> Centre Hospital where >> >> > >> >> >> >> victims were rushed for treatment. More than 25 Shia >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslims >> >> > >> >> >> >> perished >> >> > >> >> >> >> in >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> two attacks." >> >> > >> >> >> >> "From >> >> > >> >> >> >> The Very First Day, Muslims Are Taught That Their Belief >> >> > >> >> >> >> In >> >> > >> >> >> >> Islam >> >> > >> >> >> >> Trumps >> >> > >> >> >> >> All >> >> > >> >> >> >> Other Identities That They May Hold"; "Why Then, Have >> >> > >> >> >> >> Millions >> >> > >> >> >> >> Of >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslims Died At The Hands Of Their Fellow Believers?" >> >> > >> >> >> >> "And while >> >> > >> >> >> >> the Muslim-on-Muslim violence is claiming victims all >> >> > >> >> >> >> over >> >> > >> >> >> >> Pakistan, >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> violence against non-Muslims, including Hindus and >> >> > >> >> >> >> Christians, >> >> > >> >> >> >> often >> >> > >> >> >> >> brings >> >> > >> >> >> >> together Muslims of different stripes, who would >> >> > >> >> >> >> otherwise >> >> > >> >> >> >> be >> >> > >> >> >> >> fighting >> >> > >> >> >> >> each >> >> > >> >> >> >> other, in attacking religious minorities. >> >> > >> >> >> >> "The >> >> > >> >> >> >> targeted killings of university professors in Karachi >> >> > >> >> >> >> and >> >> > >> >> >> >> Quetta, >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> murder of >> >> > >> >> >> >> Shia doctors and professionals, and the attacks on the >> >> > >> >> >> >> shrines >> >> > >> >> >> >> of >> >> > >> >> >> >> patron >> >> > >> >> >> >> saints >> >> > >> >> >> >> [i.e. Sufi mystics] are all evidence of the fact that >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslims >> >> > >> >> >> >> have >> >> > >> >> >> >> been >> >> > >> >> >> >> killing >> >> > >> >> >> >> other Muslims while being motivated by hate and using >> >> > >> >> >> >> Islam >> >> > >> >> >> >> to >> >> > >> >> >> >> justify >> >> > >> >> >> >> violence. >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Why >> >> > >> >> >> >> is that the belief in Islam is not sufficient to prevent >> >> > >> >> >> >> violence >> >> > >> >> >> >> amongst >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslims? >> >> > >> >> >> >> "From >> >> > >> >> >> >> the very first day, Muslims are taught that their belief >> >> > >> >> >> >> in >> >> > >> >> >> >> Islam >> >> > >> >> >> >> trumps >> >> > >> >> >> >> all >> >> > >> >> >> >> other identities that they may hold. Their skin color, >> >> > >> >> >> >> tribe, >> >> > >> >> >> >> caste, >> >> > >> >> >> >> or >> >> > >> >> >> >> creed â€" >> >> > >> >> >> >> none matters once they enter the fold of Islam. Why >> >> > >> >> >> >> then, >> >> > >> >> >> >> have >> >> > >> >> >> >> millions >> >> > >> >> >> >> of >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslims died at the hands of their fellow believers?" >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Political, >> >> > >> >> >> >> Religious, And Other Leaders In The Muslim World Have >> >> > >> >> >> >> Kept >> >> > >> >> >> >> The >> >> > >> >> >> >> Dialogue >> >> > >> >> >> >> Focused >> >> > >> >> >> >> On The Conflicts Where Muslims Have Been The Victims"; >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Seldom >> >> > >> >> >> >> Has >> >> > >> >> >> >> The Dialogue Focused On Why Muslims Kill Other Muslims" >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Political, >> >> > >> >> >> >> religious, and other leaders in the Muslim world have >> >> > >> >> >> >> kept >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> dialogue >> >> > >> >> >> >> focused >> >> > >> >> >> >> on the conflicts where Muslims have been the victims. >> >> > >> >> >> >> The >> >> > >> >> >> >> Bosnian >> >> > >> >> >> >> conflict, the >> >> > >> >> >> >> communal violence in India, which has caused the death >> >> > >> >> >> >> of >> >> > >> >> >> >> thousands >> >> > >> >> >> >> of >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslims, >> >> > >> >> >> >> and the Arab-Israeli conflict have been the focus of >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslim >> >> > >> >> >> >> leaders. >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Seldom >> >> > >> >> >> >> has the dialogue focused on why Muslims kill other >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslims. >> >> > >> >> >> >> And >> >> > >> >> >> >> even >> >> > >> >> >> >> if >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> topic ever comes up, it ends up being an exercise in >> >> > >> >> >> >> mass >> >> > >> >> >> >> scapegoating. >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Muslim >> >> > >> >> >> >> societies have thus evolved into places where revenge is >> >> > >> >> >> >> confused >> >> > >> >> >> >> with >> >> > >> >> >> >> justice, >> >> > >> >> >> >> forgiveness with weakness, and peace with cowardice. >> >> > >> >> >> >> These >> >> > >> >> >> >> are >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> places >> >> > >> >> >> >> where >> >> > >> >> >> >> unholy men wage holy wars against unarmed civilians, >> >> > >> >> >> >> pitching >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslims >> >> > >> >> >> >> against >> >> > >> >> >> >> other Muslims. >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Imagine the state of mind of the person who >> >> > >> >> >> >> wore a suicide vest and boarded the bus carrying young >> >> > >> >> >> >> women >> >> > >> >> >> >> [on >> >> > >> >> >> >> June >> >> > >> >> >> >> 15 >> >> > >> >> >> >> in >> >> > >> >> >> >> Quetta] whose bright faces were lit with the pride of >> >> > >> >> >> >> being >> >> > >> >> >> >> educated. >> >> > >> >> >> >> There was >> >> > >> >> >> >> no reason to attack these innocent women who were >> >> > >> >> >> >> unarmed >> >> > >> >> >> >> and >> >> > >> >> >> >> unrelated >> >> > >> >> >> >> to >> >> > >> >> >> >> any >> >> > >> >> >> >> conflict. But that did not deter the suicide bomber >> >> > >> >> >> >> who >> >> > >> >> >> >> proceeded >> >> > >> >> >> >> to >> >> > >> >> >> >> kill >> >> > >> >> >> >> them and herself in a suicide attack." >> >> > >> >> >> >> "A >> >> > >> >> >> >> Group Of Men Chanted With Pride 'Allah-u-Akbar'..., >> >> > >> >> >> >> Eulogizing >> >> > >> >> >> >> The >> >> > >> >> >> >> Female >> >> > >> >> >> >> Suicide Bomber For Killing [Female Students]"; "This Was >> >> > >> >> >> >> All >> >> > >> >> >> >> Done >> >> > >> >> >> >> In >> >> > >> >> >> >> The Name Of Islam; This Will Be Repeated Sooner Than >> >> > >> >> >> >> Later; >> >> > >> >> >> >> Some >> >> > >> >> >> >> Would >> >> > >> >> >> >> Argue >> >> > >> >> >> >> This Is Not The 'Real' Islam" >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Moments >> >> > >> >> >> >> before the blast, the young women were ignorant of the >> >> > >> >> >> >> pain >> >> > >> >> >> >> that >> >> > >> >> >> >> would >> >> > >> >> >> >> soon be >> >> > >> >> >> >> inflicted on them. They must [have been] smiling and >> >> > >> >> >> >> talking >> >> > >> >> >> >> to >> >> > >> >> >> >> their >> >> > >> >> >> >> friends, >> >> > >> >> >> >> planning for the rest of the day and for what lay ahead >> >> > >> >> >> >> in >> >> > >> >> >> >> their >> >> > >> >> >> >> lives. >> >> > >> >> >> >> The >> >> > >> >> >> >> suicide bomber looked at the faces of the women who, if >> >> > >> >> >> >> given >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> opportunity, >> >> > >> >> >> >> would most certainly have improved the plight of their >> >> > >> >> >> >> impoverished >> >> > >> >> >> >> nation...." >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Somewhere >> >> > >> >> >> >> in or near Quetta, a group of men chanted with pride, >> >> > >> >> >> >> 'Allah-u-Akbar' >> >> > >> >> >> >> (God >> >> > >> >> >> >> is >> >> > >> >> >> >> great), eulogizing the female suicide bomber for killing >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> very >> >> > >> >> >> >> women >> >> > >> >> >> >> [students] who held the most promise for Pakistan. Their >> >> > >> >> >> >> spokesperson >> >> > >> >> >> >> called >> >> > >> >> >> >> the news outlets to claim responsibility for the attack >> >> > >> >> >> >> on >> >> > >> >> >> >> unarmed >> >> > >> >> >> >> women. >> >> > >> >> >> >> Later, at the Bolan Medical Complex in Quetta, another >> >> > >> >> >> >> group >> >> > >> >> >> >> of >> >> > >> >> >> >> men, >> >> > >> >> >> >> armed >> >> > >> >> >> >> with >> >> > >> >> >> >> AK-47 and wearing suicide vests, engaged the security >> >> > >> >> >> >> personnel >> >> > >> >> >> >> in >> >> > >> >> >> >> a >> >> > >> >> >> >> standoff >> >> > >> >> >> >> that left several more dead, including four nurses who >> >> > >> >> >> >> were >> >> > >> >> >> >> attending >> >> > >> >> >> >> to >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> wounded from the earlier blast. >> >> > >> >> >> >> "This was all done in the name of Islam. This >> >> > >> >> >> >> will be repeated sooner than later. Some would argue this >> >> > >> >> >> >> is >> >> > >> >> >> >> not >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> 'real' >> >> > >> >> >> >> Islam. Does it really matter what real Islam is when its >> >> > >> >> >> >> true >> >> > >> >> >> >> followers >> >> > >> >> >> >> cannot >> >> > >> >> >> >> stand against those who use religion to commit >> >> > >> >> >> >> genocide?" >> >> > >> >> >> >>  >> >> > >> >> >> >> Endnote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> [1] Dawn.com (Pakistan), June 17, 2013. 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