Gue demen ngeliat lu ngoceh begitu krn lu sebetulnya lg nunjukin betapa tololnya lu ini.
Saking dungunya lu ini, lu sampe ga bisa sadar betapa tololnya lu ini. On 7/3/13, rezameutia <rezameu...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Lo sendiri yang ngomong dibawah bahwa lo demen gw ngomong tentang alkitab > yang cabul. > --- > Gua cuma demen aja kl dia ngoceh ttg Alkitab.., > --- > > Nggak ada orang kristen di milis ini yang pernah bilang demen ocehan gw > tentang alkitab kecuali elo sendiri. > > Ini kan artinya, lo memang demen gw ingetin bahwa perbuatan elo halal > ngembat ibu lo sendiri, memperkosa adik lo sendiri seperti perintah di > alkitab bukan? > > Hehehe... > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@...> wrote: >> >> Hehehe... si suryana itu make alkitab yg lu bilang cabul itu. suryana >> itu pasti cabul, bukan? >> >> suryana sendiri malahan ngedukung kibulan lu, berarti dia sependapat >> dg lu ttg alkitab, dan krn dia make alkitab tsb, maka dia adalah >> tukang ngembat anak dan ibu sendiri, bukan? >> >> Terusin aja ocehan lu, makin banyak lu ngoceh, makin kliatan dungunya >> suryana dan Teddy. >> >> >> >> On 7/2/13, rezameutia <rezameutia@...> wrote: >> > Lo demen gw ngomong alkitab yang cabul ya? >> > Bagus deh, jadi gw bisa ngingetin elo bahwa kelakuan elo yang gila sex >> > itu >> > nggak beda jauh dengan kelakuan sex anjing yang ngembat bitch... >> > >> > Kayak elo tem, son of a bitch fuck the bitch! >> > >> > Hehehe... >> > >> > . >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: >> >> >> >> Ga ada gunanya ngomong panjang lebar ke si reza, otaknya kagak nyampe. >> >> >> >> Gua cuma demen aja kl dia ngoceh ttg Alkitab, krn itu nunjukin betapa >> >> dungunya si suryana dan Teddy shg mereka terus rela jadi anjing buduk >> >> piaraan orang Islam. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 6/30/13, Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: >> >> > Bang Reza, ada perbedaan besar & jelas antara Alkitab dan Al Qur'an. >> >> > Alkitab >> >> > menyampaikan ajaran a.l. dengan membeberkan perbuatan yg baik >> >> > sebagai >> >> > teladan, dan juga perbuatan yg jahat, mesum sebagai peringatan agar >> >> > tidak >> >> > dilakukan umat Kristiani. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Al Qur'an mengajar Muslim untuk mengikuti perkataan, perbuatan, dan >> >> > teladan >> >> > Nabi Muhamamad. Sayangnya banyak perbuatan Sang Nabi yg tidak baik, >> >> > yg >> >> > mesum, yg seharusnya tidak ditiru. >> >> > >> >> > Nah, dlm hal Lot dan anak2 perempuannya kita baca bhw kedua anak >> >> > perempuan >> >> > itu menginginkan agar garis keturunan ayahnya dapat langgeng. >> >> > Caranya >> >> > dengan >> >> > tidur dengan ayahnya sendiri dan mengakibatkan keduanya mengandung. >> >> > Ini >> >> > jelas tidaankan mesum dan dosa. Anak keturunan dari kedua perempuan >> >> > itu >> >> > terbukti mendapat kutukan dari Tuhan-Allah Israel. Sekali lagi ini >> >> > bukan >> >> > salah si ayah tapi dosa anak2 perempuannya yg meskipun beritikat >> >> > baik >> >> > tapi >> >> > melanggar hukum agama mereka. >> >> > >> >> > Muslim selalu ingin melakukan apa yg dilakukan dan diktakan oleh >> >> > Nabi >> >> > Muhammad. Misalnya, meleceha >> >> > kan kaum perempuan,. Merampok, berdusta, membunuh dan juga menyuruh >> >> > pengikutnya membunuh pengritik beliau. SangNabi juga meniduri Aisha >> >> > yg >> >> > baru >> >> > umur 9 tahun (setibngkat deg murid kelas 2 SD). Muslim bercita2 >> >> > dapat >> >> > mengikuti teladan ini. >> >> > . >> >> > >> >> > Kembali mengenai ketentuan Auloh bhw Islam dan Nabi Muhammad itu >> >> > hanya >> >> > untuk >> >> > penduduk Mekkah dan sekitarnya dapat anda baca sendiri di Surat >> >> > An'am >> >> > 6:92. >> >> > Perkara Nabi Muhammad dan preman2 pengikutnya menyerbu suku2 Yahudi >> >> > dan >> >> > di >> >> > Yathrib dan merampok serta membunuh mereka(dan mengusir yg tidak >> >> > sempat >> >> > dibunuh) ini jelas melanggar ajaran Qur'an sendiri. >> >> > >> >> > Memang Islam dlm kurun waktu kurang dari 100 tahun berhasil >> >> > mengalahkan, >> >> > menundukkan dan menjajah bangsa2 di sekitar Semenanjung Arabia ini >> >> > kenyataan. Anehnya mnrt Al Qur'an Muslim hanya dibolehkan berperang >> >> > kalau >> >> > mereka diserang lebih dulu karena agamanya dan diusir dari kampung >> >> > halamannya. Apa artinya ini? Mnrt Qur'an Muslim tidak boleh menjadi >> >> > agresor. >> >> > Tapi apa yg terjadi sejak Hijarah, Muslim menyerang Mesir, Persia, >> >> > Iraq, >> >> > turki, India, pantai utara Afrika bahkan mereka juga sempat merampok >> >> > Roma >> >> > dan menjajah semenanjung IBeria (Al Andalus). >> >> > >> >> > Ingat bangsa2 yg diserang dan diperbudak oleh Islam iniTIDAK pernah >> >> > menyerang Nabi Muhammad ataupun para pengikutnya. Jadi Muslim sejak >> >> > zaman >> >> > Sang Nabi adalah penyerang, agressors yg keji. And mungkin pernah >> >> > baca >> >> > sejarah Perang 6 Hari. Di mana negara yahudi Israel diserang, >> >> > dikerubut >> >> > oleh >> >> > 7 negara Islami - tanpa alasan kecuali ajaran kebencian yg >> >> > ditanampkan >> >> > oleh >> >> > Islam thdp umat Yahudi. Alhamdulillah, ke-7 penyerbu, penyerang >> >> > Islam >> >> > ini >> >> > kalaha hanya dlm waktu 6 hari. Negara2 ini akibatnya kehilangan >> >> > berbagai >> >> > wilayahnya. >> >> > >> >> > Muslim dari banyak negara Islami pergi ke negara2 kafir untuk minta >> >> > visa >> >> > perlindungan. JutaanMuslim dari Afrika, Mesir, Iran, Iraq, >> >> > Afghanistan, >> >> > Sudan, Pakistan dsb. berbondong2 menyelundupkan diri ke negara Barat >> >> > (kafir). Mengapa mereka tideak bahagia tinggal di negeri2 yg Islami >> >> > yg >> >> > katanya mengikuti Syariah Islam yg jitu. Ini juga bukti nyata bhw >> >> > Islam >> >> > bukanlah rahmatan il alamin tetapi justru sebaliknya menjadi mush >> >> > dunia >> >> > beradab dan benalu penghisap kebaikan hati bangsa2 yg beragama >> >> > setidaknya >> >> > beradaban kristiani. >> >> > >> >> > Coba renungkan sejenak. >> >> > >> >> > Gabriella >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ________________________________ >> >> > >> >> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >> > Sent: Sunday, 30 June 2013 9:31 AM >> >> > Subject: Agama yg kompatibel dg akal? Re: [proletar] Re: Islam at >> >> > war >> >> > with >> >> > itself! >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Hehehe... >> >> > >> >> > Setelah lo ngibul kemarin tentang nabi lot yang tukang minum dan >> >> > pemabuk, >> >> > sekarang lo masih juga muke tebel mau ngibul lagi tentang quran. >> >> > >> >> > Entah lo itu memang dogol asli atau memang tukang kibul muka tebal >> >> > yang >> >> > nggak tau malu, tapi yang udah jelas sih lo itu agamanya kristen. >> >> > >> >> > Seperti udah sering gw bilang, al quran itu untuk orang yang >> >> > berpikir. >> >> > Makanya, ajaran islam tidak sama seperti ajaran kristen yang penuh >> >> > dogma. >> >> > >> >> > Jadi, kalo lo ngomong bawa2 ayat bahwa islam hanya untuk orang2 di >> >> > mekkah >> >> > dan sekitarnya kenyataannya islam lalu berkembang ke Medinah, lalu >> >> > berkembang ke seluruh jazirah arab, lalu islam berkembang lagi ke >> >> > seluruh >> >> > penjuru dunia. >> >> > >> >> > Kenyataannya yang tidak bisa dipungkiri bahwa agama islam menyebar >> >> > ke >> >> > seluruh penjuru dunia dan sampe sekarang malahan islam berkembang >> >> > pesat >> >> > melebihi agama2 lainnya di dunia. >> >> > >> >> > Dalam islam itu ada tingkatan yang disebut rasul, nabi, auliya, >> >> > wali, >> >> > yang >> >> > bisa aja berasal dari penduduk setempat yang menyebarkan dan >> >> > mengajarkan >> >> > islam sesuai dengan kebudayaannya masing2. >> >> > >> >> > Ayat2 yang tertulis di al quran berhubungan dan saling terkait satu >> >> > sama >> >> > lainnya. Kalo lo sudah terbiasa membaca alkitab yang penuh dogma >> >> > karena >> >> > nggak pake akal tentunya lo nggak akan bisa ngerti quran yang >> >> > membacanya >> >> > harus pake akal. >> >> > >> >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Memang bener Islam sesuai dengan kebudayaan setempat. Tepatnya >> >> >> sesuai >> >> >> dg >> >> >> budaya dan adat-istiadat Mekkah dan mereka yg tinggal di sekitar >> >> >> Ummul >> >> >> qura! >> >> >> >> >> >> Kalian harus mengakui bhw Qur'an diturunkan khusus untuk Mekkah dan >> >> >> sekitarnya. Nabi Muhammad juga dipilih oleh Auloh khusus untuk >> >> >> orang2 >> >> >> Arab >> >> >> yg bermukim di Mekkah dan sekitarnya.Sebelum ada yg mau berdusta >> >> >> (ber-Al >> >> >> Taqiyya) Auloh mnyatakan bhw 'kepada setiap umat-bangsa dikirim >> >> >> seorang >> >> >> nabi yg berasal dari suku-bangsa tsb.' Supaya nabi setempat itu dpt >> >> >> menyampaikan perintahAuloh dlm bahasa setempat yg tentunya >> >> >> dimengerti >> >> >> orang setempat dan yg tahu adat-istiadat, budaya setempat. >> >> >> >> >> >> Inilah yg tertulis dlm Al Qur'an Karim. Tidak ada perintah Auloh >> >> >> agar >> >> >> Islam disesuaikan dengan budaya Aceh, Minang ataupun Jawa. Kalau >> >> >> sampai >> >> >> ada penyesuaian ajaran Islam dg budaya, adat setempat di >> >> >> luarMekkah, >> >> >> maka >> >> >> ini sudah jelas melanggar perintah Auloh. >> >> >> >> >> >> Gabriella >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> From: rezameutia <rezameutia@> >> >> >> To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> Sent: Friday, 28 June 2013 7:46 PM >> >> >> Subject: Agama yg kompatibel dg akal? Re: [proletar] Re: Islam at >> >> >> war >> >> >> with >> >> >> itself! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>  >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Hehehe... kapan Islam hrs ngikut adat setempat? Coba tunjukin >> >> >> > ayat >> >> >> > mana yg bilang spt itu? >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Lah..., kan gw udah bilang, Islam di Indonesia, Islam di Pakistan, >> >> >> Islam >> >> >> di Arab, semuanya beda2 berdasarkan adat istiadat setempat. Cuma >> >> >> aqidah >> >> >> nya tetep sama Islam di seluruh dunia. >> >> >> >> >> >> Gini deh tem..., gw nggak usah jauh2 ngomong perbedaan Islam di >> >> >> luar >> >> >> negeri deh. Susah sih ngomong ama kristen dogol kayak eloy ang >> >> >> kapasitas >> >> >> otaknya terbatas. >> >> >> >> >> >> Islam di Jawa jelas berbeda dengan Islam di Minang. >> >> >> >> >> >> Islam di Jawa patriarch, Islam di Minang matriarch. >> >> >> Islam di Jawa berziarah ke makam, Islam di Minang nggak pernah >> >> >> ziarah >> >> >> kubur. >> >> >> >> >> >> Ini kan udah jelas, adat istiadat Jawa dan Minang berbeda tapi >> >> >> agamanya >> >> >> tetap sama, Islam. Jadi, memang Islam itu udah jelas beradaptasi >> >> >> ngikutin >> >> >> adat istiadat setempat. Ngerti nggak, njing..?? >> >> >> >> >> >> > Lu kan ngaku secara implisit bhw Quran bilang kesaksian cewek itu >> >> >> > 1/2 >> >> >> > dr kesaksian cowok. Emangnya lalu orang bisa buang ayat QUran itu >> >> >> > unt >> >> >> > diganti dgn hukum lain yg lbh masuk akal? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Kl gitu, ayat Quran yg bilang kesaksian cewek 1/2 dr kesaksian >> >> >> > cowok >> >> >> > itu ga masuk akal, bukan? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Dan lu milih2 ayat spy bisa lu sesuaikan dgn adat setempat. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Silakan aja lu kaing2 ttg 65:4, tafsir bilang persis spt yg gua >> >> >> > bilang. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Gw udah bilang, kesaksian cewek 1/2 dari kesaksian cowok bisa aja >> >> >> terjadi >> >> >> di negara arab ato di afghanistan, tapi yang jelas kesaksian cewek >> >> >> di >> >> >> Indonesia sama aja dengan kesaksian cowok. >> >> >> >> >> >> Cuman kan, lo dan gerombolan kristen anjing dogol kagak punya otak >> >> >> sering >> >> >> copas kejadian berita di arab, di pakistan, di afghanistan mulu. >> >> >> >> >> >> Udah deh, lo kasih aja ayat 65:4, lalu lo bahas dan debat langsung >> >> >> sama >> >> >> gw >> >> >> disini pake pemikiran lo sendiri yang orisinal. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Lu ga mau ngikutin tafsir, Quran dan sunnah, itu artinya lu bukan >> >> >> > muslim yg mukmin. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Ya memang beda gw sama elo. >> >> >> >> >> >> Gw, di agama Islam, musti dipake otaknya. Segala macem keputusan >> >> >> musti >> >> >> dipertimbangkan baik dan buruknya, istilah Islamnya 'manfaat dan >> >> >> mudharatnya'. Setelah melalui pertimbangan yang matang barulah >> >> >> keputusan >> >> >> diambil. >> >> >> >> >> >> Lo kan memang kristen sejati, kristen yang taat dan selalu >> >> >> mengikuti >> >> >> perintah alkitab. Makanya lo tega ngembat ibu lo sendiri, lo halal >> >> >> ngebuntingin anak lo sendiri, karena itu kan sesuai dengan perintah >> >> >> alkitab yang penuh dogma. >> >> >> >> >> >> Bener gitu kan, tem? >> >> >> >> >> >> Hehehe... >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On 6/27/13, rezameutia <rezameutia@> wrote: >> >> >> > > Coba >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> Lu ga pernah mau ngaku apa isi 65:4. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > Ah.., omongan lo muter2 mulu kayak anjing lagi ngejar ekornya. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > Dulu kan ayat 65:4 ini udah pernah dibahas kalo lo sekarang >> >> >> > > mau >> >> >> > > ngebahas >> >> >> > > lagi, silahkan aja kasih ayat ini dan ngebahas lagi tentang >> >> >> > > masa >> >> >> > > iddah >> >> >> > > itu. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> Hehehe... jadi lu ngaku bhw Quran bilang kesaksian cewek itu >> >> >> > >> 1/2 >> >> >> > >> dr >> >> >> > >> kesaksian cowok, bukan? >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> Kalo misal ada negara muslim yg ga melaksanakan konsep itu, >> >> >> > >> itu >> >> >> > >> sih >> >> >> > >> cuma sekedar milih2 ayat yg ga disukai unt ga diterapkan. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> Knp ayat yg bilang kesaksian cewek 1/2 dr kesaksian cowok itu >> >> >> > >> ga >> >> >> > >> diterapkan? Jawabnya adalah krn ga masuk akal krn ga sesuai >> >> >> > >> dgn >> >> >> > >> fakta, >> >> >> > >> melecehkan cewek dan nindas cewek. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> Betul ga yg gua bilang? >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> Lu tanya ajaran Islam mana yg ga masuk akal, gua udah ngasih >> >> >> > >> contohnya >> >> >> > >> unt ngebuktikan kebenaran omongan gua. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > Mana ada yang bener omongan manusiia berotak kosong dan >> >> >> > > bermental >> >> >> > > anjing >> >> >> > > kayak elo? >> >> >> > > Gw kan udah kasih jawaban dibawah tuh tentang kesaksian >> >> >> > > perempuan >> >> >> > > di >> >> >> > > Indonesia, artinya Islam sebagai agama universal beradaptasi >> >> >> > > dengan >> >> >> > > adat >> >> >> > > istiadat setempat. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > Makanya orang Islam di Arab, orang Islam di Pakistan, orang >> >> >> > > Islam >> >> >> > > di >> >> >> > > Amerika, orang Islam di Indonesia, semuanya berbeda karena adat >> >> >> > > istiadatnyanya berbeda. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > Kristen2 dogol kayak elo selalu copas berita2 dari Arab, >> >> >> > > Pakistan, >> >> >> > > Aghan, >> >> >> > > dan bilang Islam itu sama. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> Kl lu mau kaing2 tentang Alkitab, silakan aja lu terusin >> >> >> > >> kaing2 >> >> >> > >> lu. >> >> >> > >> Gua ga hrs ngelayanin kaing2 dr anjing buduk kejepit buntut. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > Bagus deh... >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > Artinya lo mengakui bahwa alkitab isinya cabul dan sesat, >> >> >> > > makanya >> >> >> > > lo >> >> >> > > halal >> >> >> > > ngembat ibu lo sendiri, halal ngembat anak sendiri seperti >> >> >> > > anjing >> >> >> > > seperti >> >> >> > > perintah di alkitab. Hehehe.... >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > Memang bukan cuma lo aja kok yang ngacir kalo membahas ayat2 di >> >> >> > > alkitab yang >> >> >> > > cabul dan sesat. Pendeta nub aja nggak berani membantah bahwa >> >> >> > > alkitab >> >> >> > > memang cabul dan sesat kok... >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> BUat gua, semakin sering lu kaing2 spt itu, semakin kliatan >> >> >> > >> betapa >> >> >> > >> dungunya anjing2 buduk piaraan orang Islam spt suryana dan >> >> >> > >> Teddy. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> On 6/26/13, rezameutia <rezameutia@> wrote: >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> Ngasih masa iddah ke cewek ingusan yg blm mens itu masuk >> >> >> > >> >> akal >> >> >> > >> >> ga? >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > Mana ada yang disebut 'masa iddah ke cewe ingusan yang blom >> >> >> > >> > mens'? >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > Ini kan cuman opini goblok lo aja. >> >> >> > >> > Udah pernah kan lo berdebat dengan gw tentang masa iddah >> >> >> > >> > bukan >> >> >> > >> > untuk >> >> >> > >> > cewe >> >> >> > >> > ingusan, tapi lo tetep aja dengan pikiran opini dogol lo >> >> >> > >> > nganggap >> >> >> > >> > masa >> >> >> > >> > iddah >> >> >> > >> > adalah cewe ingusan yang blom mens. >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > Lo bisa browsing di internet yang namanya masa iddah... >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >> Kesaksian cewek 1/2 dr kesaksiakn cowok masuk akal ga? >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > Kenyataannya, saksi cw nggak kayak gitu di negara Muslim, >> >> >> > >> > dan >> >> >> > >> > juga >> >> >> > >> > negara >> >> >> > >> > muslim terbesar di dunia seperti di Indonesia, semua saksi >> >> >> > >> > cewe >> >> >> > >> > harganya >> >> >> > >> > sama dengan saksi cowo. >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > Lha.., kok lo ngacir ketika ditanya tentang ayat2 di alkitab >> >> >> > >> > yang >> >> >> > >> > cabul >> >> >> > >> > dan >> >> >> > >> > sesat, tem? Karena tidak ada orang kristen dan bahkan >> >> >> > >> > pendeta >> >> >> > >> > kristen >> >> >> > >> > yang >> >> >> > >> > membantah hal itu, artinya lo mengakui bahwa alkitab itu >> >> >> > >> > cabul >> >> >> > >> > dan >> >> >> > >> > sesat >> >> >> > >> > ya? >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> On 6/25/13, rezameutia <rezameutia@> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> > Yang mana ajaran Islam yang nggak masuk akal? >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > Hadis memang musti dipilih2 karena orang Islam tau ada >> >> >> > >> >> > hadis >> >> >> > >> >> > palsu >> >> >> > >> >> > dan >> >> >> > >> >> > hadis >> >> >> > >> >> > sahih. Itu yang gw bilang musti dipake akalnya. >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > Beda dengan elo dan kristen dogol yang nggak dipake >> >> >> > >> >> > akalnya. >> >> >> > >> >> > Tertulis >> >> >> > >> >> > di >> >> >> > >> >> > alkitab halal ngembat ibu sendiri, lo embat ibu lo >> >> >> > >> >> > sendiri, >> >> >> > >> >> > halal >> >> >> > >> >> > ngembat >> >> >> > >> >> > anak sendiri, lo embat anak lo sendiri sampe bunting. >> >> >> > >> >> > Halal >> >> >> > >> >> > memperkosa >> >> >> > >> >> > adik >> >> >> > >> >> > lo sendiri, lo perkosa adik lo juga. Memang agama >> >> >> > >> >> > kristen >> >> >> > >> >> > penuh >> >> >> > >> >> > dengan >> >> >> > >> >> > dogma, seperti diakui oleh tawangalun asli kok. >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > Lalu, apa bedanya lo sama anjing tem? >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> >> >> >> > >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> Si reza ngaku di milis ini bhw dia pilih2 hadis yg >> >> >> > >> >> >> sesuai >> >> >> > >> >> >> seleranya, >> >> >> > >> >> >> artinya hadis yg ga dipilih itu kalo bukannya dia ga >> >> >> > >> >> >> suka >> >> >> > >> >> >> ya >> >> >> > >> >> >> dia >> >> >> > >> >> >> anggap ga masuk akal. Dgn sendirinya, ayat QUran jg >> >> >> > >> >> >> diperlakukan >> >> >> > >> >> >> sama >> >> >> > >> >> >> spt hadis, jg ajaran Islam yg ada di syariat iblisnya. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> Ngakunya sih agamanya itu kompatibel dg akal, padahal yg >> >> >> > >> >> >> tjd >> >> >> > >> >> >> adalah >> >> >> > >> >> >> agamanya disesuaikan dgn kemauannya, krn ga kompatibel. >> >> >> > >> >> >> Hrs >> >> >> > >> >> >> dimodifikasi. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> Emang dungu orang2 Islam itu. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> On 6/23/13, Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > And I qooute "Islam bikin cerdas dan pilihan agama >> >> >> > >> >> >> > harus >> >> >> > >> >> >> > kompatibel >> >> >> > >> >> >> > dengan >> >> >> > >> >> >> > akal". >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Apakah ini berarti ajaran Islam kompatibel dg akal? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > - Agama yg mengajarkan permusuhan; >> >> >> > >> >> >> > - Agama yg menelecehkan 50% dari manusia yaitukiaum >> >> >> > >> >> >> > perempuan yg >> >> >> > >> >> >> > diangap >> >> >> > >> >> >> > deficient dlm akal; >> >> >> > >> >> >> > - Agama yg mengamini tahayul: nabi naik Bouraq ke >> >> >> > >> >> >> > sorga; >> >> >> > >> >> >> > - Agama yg salah ngajarin ttg embryo development; >> >> >> > >> >> >> > - Agama yg ngajarin ada 7 langit dan 7 bumi; >> >> >> > >> >> >> > - Agama yg bilang bhw matahari terbenam di mataa air >> >> >> > >> >> >> > keruh >> >> >> > >> >> >> > di >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ujung >> >> >> > >> >> >> > barat >> >> >> > >> >> >> > bumi (artinya buminya datar spt tempat tidur orang >> >> >> > >> >> >> > bedu); >> >> >> > >> >> >> > - Agama yg ajarannya saling bertentangan. 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In it, Haider argues >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> that >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> debate >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> in the Islamic world focuses on the conflicts where >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslims >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> are >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> oppressed >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> by >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> non-Muslims, while conveniently failing to raise a >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> debate >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> as >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> why >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslims are >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> killing Muslims. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Following are excerpts from the article:[1] >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "From Aleppo In Syria To Quetta In Baluchistan, >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslims >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Are >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Engaged In The Slaughter Of Other Muslims"; "Many >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Wonder >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> If >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Belief In Islam Is Sufficient To Bind Muslims In >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Peace >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> With >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Each >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Other" >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "From Aleppo in Syria to Quetta in >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Baluchistan, Muslims are engaged in the slaughter of >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> other >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslims. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> numbers >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> are enormous: over >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> 93,000 killed in the Syrian civil war and over >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> 48,000 dead in Pakistan [since 2004]. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Millions >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> have perished in similar intra-Muslim conflicts in >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> past >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> four >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> decades. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Many >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> wonder if the belief in Islam is sufficient to bind >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslims >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> peace >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> with >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> each >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> other. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Since >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> the end of the Second World War, the world has moved >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> two >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> distinct >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> directions. 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Why >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> then, >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> have >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> millions >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslims died at the hands of their fellow believers?" >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Political, >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Religious, And Other Leaders In The Muslim World Have >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Kept >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Dialogue >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Focused >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On The Conflicts Where Muslims Have Been The >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Victims"; >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Seldom >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Has >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The Dialogue Focused On Why Muslims Kill Other >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslims" >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Political, >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> religious, and other leaders in the Muslim world have >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> kept >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> dialogue >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> focused >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> on the conflicts where Muslims have been the victims. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Bosnian >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> conflict, the >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> communal violence in India, which has caused the >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> death >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> thousands >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslims, >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> and the Arab-Israeli conflict have been the focus of >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslim >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> leaders. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Seldom >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> has the dialogue focused on why Muslims kill other >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslims. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> And >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> even >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> if >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> topic ever comes up, it ends up being an exercise in >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> mass >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> scapegoating. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Muslim >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> societies have thus evolved into places where revenge >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> is >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> confused >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> with >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> justice, >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> forgiveness with weakness, and peace with cowardice. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> These >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> are >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> places >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> where >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> unholy men wage holy wars against unarmed civilians, >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> pitching >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Muslims >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> against >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> other Muslims. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Imagine the state of mind of the person who >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> wore a suicide vest and boarded the bus carrying >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> young >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> women >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> [on >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> June >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> 15 >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Quetta] whose bright faces were lit with the pride of >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> being >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> educated. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> There was >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> no reason to attack these innocent women who were >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> unarmed >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> unrelated >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> any >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> conflict. But that did not deter the suicide bomber >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> who >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> proceeded >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> kill >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> them and herself in a suicide attack." >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "A >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Group Of Men Chanted With Pride 'Allah-u-Akbar'..., >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Eulogizing >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Female >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Suicide Bomber For Killing [Female Students]"; "This >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Was >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> All >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Done >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> In >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The Name Of Islam; This Will Be Repeated Sooner Than >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Later; >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Some >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Would >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Argue >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> This Is Not The 'Real' Islam" >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Moments >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> before the blast, the young women were ignorant of >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> pain >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> that >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> would >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> soon be >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> inflicted on them. They must [have been] smiling and >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> talking >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> their >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> friends, >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> planning for the rest of the day and for what lay >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> ahead >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> their >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> lives. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> suicide bomber looked at the faces of the women who, >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> if >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> given >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> opportunity, >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> would most certainly have improved the plight of >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> their >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> impoverished >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> nation...." >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Somewhere >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> in or near Quetta, a group of men chanted with pride, >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> 'Allah-u-Akbar' >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> (God >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> is >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> great), eulogizing the female suicide bomber for >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> killing >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> very >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> women >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> [students] who held the most promise for Pakistan. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Their >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> spokesperson >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> called >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> the news outlets to claim responsibility for the >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> attack >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> on >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> unarmed >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> women. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Later, at the Bolan Medical Complex in Quetta, >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> another >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> group >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> men, >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> armed >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> with >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> AK-47 and wearing suicide vests, engaged the security >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> personnel >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> a >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> standoff >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> that left several more dead, including four nurses >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> who >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> were >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> attending >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> wounded from the earlier blast. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "This was all done in the name of Islam. This >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> will be repeated sooner than later. Some would argue >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> this >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> is >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> not >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> 'real' >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Islam. Does it really matter what real Islam is when >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> its >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> true >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> followers >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> cannot >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> stand against those who use religion to commit >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> genocide?" >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>  >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Endnote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> [1] Dawn.com (Pakistan), June 17, 2013. 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