Siapa bilang Yesus manggil Babe,genah pas dipaku malah mbengok:Elloy2 Tuhanku2.Opo yg disalib bukan Yesus kali tapi Yudas.
Paulus Anak Wedus. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "meduguba" <meduguba@...> wrote: > > Dear Reza, > > Kayaknya, Yesus itu guru agama, pendakwah, tapi ajarannya memberi penafsiran > baru atas apa yang selama itu dianggap benar oleh umat, makanya banyak para > ulama yang benci dia. Dia dianggap mengajarkan ajaran sesat dan membahayakan > iman umat saat itu. > > Bayangkan, Yesus mengajarkan umat untuk memanggil/ menganggap Allah sebagai > Bapak/ Ayah. Ini khan ajaran keren dan radikal banget. Allah Sang Pencipta > dan Maha Kuasa kok dipanggil Babe ... makanya ada yang gak suka ... terutama > ya para ulama itu. Para ulama Yahudi waktu itu terkejut dan marah, mereka > bilang ajaran Yesus menghujat Allah. Seandainya saat itu sudah ada ulama > Islam/ MUI, pasti mereka juga marah dan mengeluarkan fatwa ... ach sudah lah > ... > > Sepertinya Yesus cukup ngetop, kaya Uje dan Jokowi gitu. kemana-mana diikuti > orang yang mau mendengar ajarannya atau sekedar jabat tangan berphoto > dengannya. Mungkin Yesus dapat rejeki dari para murid atau fans-nya, ala > kadarnya, cukup buat beli moge dan rumah di daerah elit. Dan jangan lupa, > Yesus katanya punya keahlian menggandakan roti ... jadi soal makan nggak > khawatir ... :-) > > Tapi menurut kisah yang saya baca Yesus pernah bilang : srigala punya sarang > tetapi aku nggak punya rumah ... kacian ya ... numpang dimana Dia ? > > Kenapa nanyain rezeki orang ? Lho, kita khan sedang bicara soal biografi > nabi, yang dibicarakan dalam biografi biasanya : lahir dimana, sekolahnya > dimana, hobbynya apa, istrinya siapa, anaknya berapa, pekerjaannya apa, > gajinya berapa, ajarannya keren apa enggak ? Gitu khan ? > > Salam, Guba > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "rezameutia" <rezameutia@> wrote: > > > > > > Pekerjaan nabi muhammad adalah pendakwah. Sama lah dengan nabi2 lain yang > > berdakwah juga. Hanya saja bedanya dengan nabi lainnya, nabi Muhammad > > disamping pendakwah juga panglima perang ulung. > > > > Yang jelas Nabi Muhammad orangnya sederhana, rumahnya sederhana berada di > > mesjid nabawi yang didirikan atas gotong royong umatnya, dan pada saat > > meninggal hanya punya beberapa helai baju dan uang 2 dirham. > > > > Emangnya lo tau, gimana tuhan jesus dan pengikutnya mencari rezeki untuk > > hidup sehari-hari pada waktu mereka hidup 2,000 tahun yang lalu? > > Trus, jesus rumahnya punya rumah nggak? > > > > Pertanyaan kok nanyain rezeki orang yang hidup ribuan tahun yang lalu? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "meduguba" <meduguba@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Reza, > > > > > > Menurut biografi yang Anda baca, apakah pekerjaan Nabi Muhammad SAW ? > > > Bagaimana cara Beliau dan para pengikutnya mencari rezeki untuk hidup > > > sehari-hari ? > > > > > > Salam, Guba > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "rezameutia" <rezameutia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Tentu gw udah baca dong biografi nabi Muhammad, bukannya 'kalo' lagi > > > > seperti omongan lo yang dogol. > > > > > > > > Gw kan kalo ngomong berdasarkan buku, bukannya asal nguap seperti elo > > > > dan gerombolan kristen dogol yang cuman copas dari website sampah > > > > seperti 'answering islam' atau 'faithfreedom'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Apa lu pernah baca biografi nabi bejad lu? Kl pernah, pasti lu tau > > > > > nabi lu itu ngembat anak ingusan, ngerampok, ngebantai dsb. > > > > > > > > > > Apa mungkin lu bacanya pake "mikir", yg ga sesuai dgn kemauan lu lu > > > > > buang begitu aja? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/2/13, rezameutia <rezameutia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Memang jelas ada perbedaan besar antara alkitab dan al quran. > > > > > > > > > > > > Perbedaaannya alkitab bukan hanya dengan al quran, tapi dengan > > > > > > seluruh kitab > > > > > > suci agama lain juga alkitab memang berbeda besar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Alkitab isinya cabul, ini yang merupakan perbedaan yang mendasar > > > > > > diantara > > > > > > kitab suci agama lainnya di dunia. Kisah INCEST di alkitab hanya > > > > > > merupakan > > > > > > salah satu dari cerita2 cabul lainnya di alkitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > Toh pada kenyataannya, lo cuman muter2 ngomong apologetik tentang > > > > > > kejadian > > > > > > INCEST di alkitab ini. Kemarin lo mengatakan Nabi Lot adalah > > > > > > tukang minum > > > > > > dan pemabuk, sekarang lo ngomong anak perempuannya yang salah. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kitab suci agama di seluruh dunia, udah pasti yang namanya nabi > > > > > > adalah > > > > > > manusia pilihan tuhan dan mempunyai perilaku dan pribadi yang baik. > > > > > > Makanya, tentu saja berbeda dengan alkitab yang menghina nabi dengan > > > > > > melakukan perbuatan bejat INCEST, > > > > > > > > > > > > Atau ketika Nabi Daud ngembat istri orang lain dengan mengirim > > > > > > suaminya Uria > > > > > > (?) maju ke medan perang. Dan juga ketika putra Daud Annon > > > > > > memperkosa > > > > > > saudara perempuannya sendiri. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ini kan jelas merupakan penghinaan terhadap Nabi dan keluarganya > > > > > > diceritakan > > > > > > di alkitab sebagai keluarga bajingan tengik, rapist, gila sex. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mana ada kitab suci agama lain yang menghina nabinya seperti > > > > > > alkitab? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nabi Muhammad tidak mungkin melakukan perbuatan bejat seperti > > > > > > merampok, > > > > > > melecehkan perempuan, atau bahkan membunuh. Biografi nabi Muhammad > > > > > > tertulis > > > > > > dengan lengkap dan jelas, dari sejak kecil hingga beliau wafat. > > > > > > > > > > > > Seperti gw sering bilang, lo dan kristen2 dogol nggak bisa > > > > > > menunjukkan > > > > > > kelemahan ajaran Islam dan al quran lalu mengarang cerita sayur > > > > > > tentang Nabi > > > > > > Muhammad dan copas2 berita tentang kriminal di negara Pakistan, > > > > > > Afghan, dan > > > > > > negara lainnya. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gw ngomong tentang alkitab dan ajaran goblok penuh dogma seperti > > > > > > trinitas, > > > > > > dosa waris. Sekarang lo tunjukkan kelemahan ajaran Islam dan al > > > > > > quran. > > > > > > Apple to apple. Ngerti goblok?! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Bang Reza, ada perbedaan besar & jelas antara Alkitab dan Al > > > > > >> Qur'an. > > > > > >> Alkitab menyampaikan ajaran a.l. dengan membeberkan perbuatan yg > > > > > >> baik > > > > > >> sebagai teladan, dan juga perbuatan yg jahat, mesum sebagai > > > > > >> peringatan > > > > > >> agar tidak dilakukan umat Kristiani. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Al Qur'an mengajar Muslim untuk mengikuti perkataan, perbuatan, dan > > > > > >> teladan Nabi Muhamamad. Sayangnya banyak perbuatan Sang Nabi yg > > > > > >> tidak > > > > > >> baik, yg mesum, yg seharusnya tidak ditiru. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Nah, dlm hal Lot dan anak2 perempuannya kita baca bhw kedua anak > > > > > >> perempuan > > > > > >> itu menginginkan agar garis keturunan ayahnya dapat langgeng. > > > > > >> Caranya > > > > > >> dengan tidur dengan ayahnya sendiri dan mengakibatkan keduanya > > > > > >> mengandung. > > > > > >> Ini jelas tidaankan mesum dan dosa. Anak keturunan dari kedua > > > > > >> perempuan > > > > > >> itu terbukti mendapat kutukan dari Tuhan-Allah Israel. Sekali lagi > > > > > >> ini > > > > > >> bukan salah si ayah tapi dosa anak2 perempuannya yg meskipun > > > > > >> beritikat > > > > > >> baik tapi melanggar hukum agama mereka. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Muslim selalu ingin melakukan apa yg dilakukan dan diktakan oleh > > > > > >> Nabi > > > > > >> Muhammad. Misalnya, meleceha > > > > > >> kan kaum perempuan,. Merampok, berdusta, membunuh dan juga menyuruh > > > > > >> pengikutnya membunuh pengritik beliau. SangNabi juga meniduri > > > > > >> Aisha yg > > > > > >> baru umur 9 tahun (setibngkat deg murid kelas 2 SD). Muslim > > > > > >> bercita2 dapat > > > > > >> mengikuti teladan ini. > > > > > >> . > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Kembali mengenai ketentuan Auloh bhw Islam dan Nabi Muhammad itu > > > > > >> hanya > > > > > >> untuk penduduk Mekkah dan sekitarnya dapat anda baca sendiri di > > > > > >> Surat > > > > > >> An'am 6:92. Perkara Nabi Muhammad dan preman2 pengikutnya menyerbu > > > > > >> suku2 > > > > > >> Yahudi dan di Yathrib dan merampok serta membunuh mereka(dan > > > > > >> mengusir yg > > > > > >> tidak sempat dibunuh) ini jelas melanggar ajaran Qur'an sendiri. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Memang Islam dlm kurun waktu kurang dari 100 tahun berhasil > > > > > >> mengalahkan, > > > > > >> menundukkan dan menjajah bangsa2 di sekitar Semenanjung Arabia ini > > > > > >> kenyataan. Anehnya mnrt Al Qur'an Muslim hanya dibolehkan > > > > > >> berperang kalau > > > > > >> mereka diserang lebih dulu karena agamanya dan diusir dari kampung > > > > > >> halamannya. Apa artinya ini? Mnrt Qur'an Muslim tidak boleh menjadi > > > > > >> agresor. Tapi apa yg terjadi sejak Hijarah, Muslim menyerang Mesir, > > > > > >> Persia, Iraq, turki, India, pantai utara Afrika bahkan mereka juga > > > > > >> sempat > > > > > >> merampok Roma dan menjajah semenanjung IBeria (Al Andalus). > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Ingat bangsa2 yg diserang dan diperbudak oleh Islam iniTIDAK pernah > > > > > >> menyerang Nabi Muhammad ataupun para pengikutnya. Jadi Muslim > > > > > >> sejak zaman > > > > > >> Sang Nabi adalah penyerang, agressors yg keji. And mungkin pernah > > > > > >> baca > > > > > >> sejarah Perang 6 Hari. Di mana negara yahudi Israel diserang, > > > > > >> dikerubut > > > > > >> oleh 7 negara Islami - tanpa alasan kecuali ajaran kebencian yg > > > > > >> ditanampkan oleh Islam thdp umat Yahudi. Alhamdulillah, ke-7 > > > > > >> penyerbu, > > > > > >> penyerang Islam ini kalaha hanya dlm waktu 6 hari. Negara2 ini > > > > > >> akibatnya > > > > > >> kehilangan berbagai wilayahnya. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Muslim dari banyak negara Islami pergi ke negara2 kafir untuk > > > > > >> minta visa > > > > > >> perlindungan. JutaanMuslim dari Afrika, Mesir, Iran, Iraq, > > > > > >> Afghanistan, > > > > > >> Sudan, Pakistan dsb. berbondong2 menyelundupkan diri ke negara > > > > > >> Barat > > > > > >> (kafir). Mengapa mereka tideak bahagia tinggal di negeri2 yg > > > > > >> Islami yg > > > > > >> katanya mengikuti Syariah Islam yg jitu. Ini juga bukti nyata bhw > > > > > >> Islam > > > > > >> bukanlah rahmatan il alamin tetapi justru sebaliknya menjadi mush > > > > > >> dunia > > > > > >> beradab dan benalu penghisap kebaikan hati bangsa2 yg beragama > > > > > >> setidaknya > > > > > >> beradaban kristiani. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Coba renungkan sejenak. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Gabriella > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ________________________________ > > > > > >> > > > > > >> To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >> Sent: Sunday, 30 June 2013 9:31 AM > > > > > >> Subject: Agama yg kompatibel dg akal? Re: [proletar] Re: Islam at > > > > > >> war with > > > > > >> itself! > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> à > > > > > >> Hehehe... > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Setelah lo ngibul kemarin tentang nabi lot yang tukang minum dan > > > > > >> pemabuk, > > > > > >> sekarang lo masih juga muke tebel mau ngibul lagi tentang quran. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Entah lo itu memang dogol asli atau memang tukang kibul muka tebal > > > > > >> yang > > > > > >> nggak tau malu, tapi yang udah jelas sih lo itu agamanya kristen. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Seperti udah sering gw bilang, al quran itu untuk orang yang > > > > > >> berpikir. > > > > > >> Makanya, ajaran islam tidak sama seperti ajaran kristen yang penuh > > > > > >> dogma. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Jadi, kalo lo ngomong bawa2 ayat bahwa islam hanya untuk orang2 di > > > > > >> mekkah > > > > > >> dan sekitarnya kenyataannya islam lalu berkembang ke Medinah, lalu > > > > > >> berkembang ke seluruh jazirah arab, lalu islam berkembang lagi ke > > > > > >> seluruh > > > > > >> penjuru dunia. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Kenyataannya yang tidak bisa dipungkiri bahwa agama islam menyebar > > > > > >> ke > > > > > >> seluruh penjuru dunia dan sampe sekarang malahan islam berkembang > > > > > >> pesat > > > > > >> melebihi agama2 lainnya di dunia. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Dalam islam itu ada tingkatan yang disebut rasul, nabi, auliya, > > > > > >> wali, > > > > > >> yang bisa aja berasal dari penduduk setempat yang menyebarkan dan > > > > > >> mengajarkan islam sesuai dengan kebudayaannya masing2. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Ayat2 yang tertulis di al quran berhubungan dan saling terkait > > > > > >> satu sama > > > > > >> lainnya. Kalo lo sudah terbiasa membaca alkitab yang penuh dogma > > > > > >> karena > > > > > >> nggak pake akal tentunya lo nggak akan bisa ngerti quran yang > > > > > >> membacanya > > > > > >> harus pake akal. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Memang bener Islam sesuai dengan kebudayaan setempat. Tepatnya > > > > > >> > sesuai dg > > > > > >> > budaya dan adat-istiadat Mekkah dan mereka yg tinggal di sekitar > > > > > >> > Ummul > > > > > >> > qura! > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Kalian harus mengakui bhw Qur'an diturunkan khusus untuk Mekkah > > > > > >> > dan > > > > > >> > sekitarnya. Nabi Muhammad juga dipilih oleh Auloh khusus untuk > > > > > >> > orang2 > > > > > >> > Arab yg bermukim di Mekkah dan sekitarnya.Sebelum ada yg mau > > > > > >> > berdusta > > > > > >> > (ber-Al Taqiyya) Auloh mnyatakan bhw 'kepada setiap umat-bangsa > > > > > >> > dikirim > > > > > >> > seorang nabi yg berasal dari suku-bangsa tsb.' Supaya nabi > > > > > >> > setempat itu > > > > > >> > dpt menyampaikan perintahAuloh dlm bahasa setempat yg tentunya > > > > > >> > dimengerti orang setempat dan yg tahu adat-istiadat, budaya > > > > > >> > setempat. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Inilah yg tertulis dlm Al Qur'an Karim. Tidak ada perintah Auloh > > > > > >> > agar > > > > > >> > Islam disesuaikan dengan budaya Aceh, Minang ataupun Jawa. Kalau > > > > > >> > sampai > > > > > >> > ada penyesuaian ajaran Islam dg budaya, adat setempat di > > > > > >> > luarMekkah, > > > > > >> > maka ini sudah jelas melanggar perintah Auloh. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Gabriella > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > ________________________________ > > > > > >> > From: rezameutia <rezameutia@> > > > > > >> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >> > Sent: Friday, 28 June 2013 7:46 PM > > > > > >> > Subject: Agama yg kompatibel dg akal? Re: [proletar] Re: Islam > > > > > >> > at war > > > > > >> > with itself! > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Ãâà > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Hehehe... kapan Islam hrs ngikut adat setempat? Coba tunjukin > > > > > >> > > ayat > > > > > >> > > mana yg bilang spt itu? > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Lah..., kan gw udah bilang, Islam di Indonesia, Islam di > > > > > >> > Pakistan, Islam > > > > > >> > di Arab, semuanya beda2 berdasarkan adat istiadat setempat. > > > > > >> > Cuma aqidah > > > > > >> > nya tetep sama Islam di seluruh dunia. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Gini deh tem..., gw nggak usah jauh2 ngomong perbedaan Islam di > > > > > >> > luar > > > > > >> > negeri deh. Susah sih ngomong ama kristen dogol kayak eloy ang > > > > > >> > kapasitas otaknya terbatas. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Islam di Jawa jelas berbeda dengan Islam di Minang. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Islam di Jawa patriarch, Islam di Minang matriarch. > > > > > >> > Islam di Jawa berziarah ke makam, Islam di Minang nggak pernah > > > > > >> > ziarah > > > > > >> > kubur. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Ini kan udah jelas, adat istiadat Jawa dan Minang berbeda tapi > > > > > >> > agamanya > > > > > >> > tetap sama, Islam. Jadi, memang Islam itu udah jelas beradaptasi > > > > > >> > ngikutin adat istiadat setempat. Ngerti nggak, njing..?? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Lu kan ngaku secara implisit bhw Quran bilang kesaksian cewek > > > > > >> > > itu 1/2 > > > > > >> > > dr kesaksian cowok. Emangnya lalu orang bisa buang ayat QUran > > > > > >> > > itu unt > > > > > >> > > diganti dgn hukum lain yg lbh masuk akal? > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Kl gitu, ayat Quran yg bilang kesaksian cewek 1/2 dr kesaksian > > > > > >> > > cowok > > > > > >> > > itu ga masuk akal, bukan? > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Dan lu milih2 ayat spy bisa lu sesuaikan dgn adat setempat. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Silakan aja lu kaing2 ttg 65:4, tafsir bilang persis spt yg gua > > > > > >> > > bilang. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Gw udah bilang, kesaksian cewek 1/2 dari kesaksian cowok bisa aja > > > > > >> > terjadi di negara arab ato di afghanistan, tapi yang jelas > > > > > >> > kesaksian > > > > > >> > cewek di Indonesia sama aja dengan kesaksian cowok. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Cuman kan, lo dan gerombolan kristen anjing dogol kagak punya > > > > > >> > otak > > > > > >> > sering copas kejadian berita di arab, di pakistan, di > > > > > >> > afghanistan mulu. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Udah deh, lo kasih aja ayat 65:4, lalu lo bahas dan debat > > > > > >> > langsung sama > > > > > >> > gw disini pake pemikiran lo sendiri yang orisinal. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Lu ga mau ngikutin tafsir, Quran dan sunnah, itu artinya lu > > > > > >> > > bukan > > > > > >> > > muslim yg mukmin. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Ya memang beda gw sama elo. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Gw, di agama Islam, musti dipake otaknya. Segala macem > > > > > >> > keputusan musti > > > > > >> > dipertimbangkan baik dan buruknya, istilah Islamnya 'manfaat dan > > > > > >> > mudharatnya'. Setelah melalui pertimbangan yang matang barulah > > > > > >> > keputusan diambil. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Lo kan memang kristen sejati, kristen yang taat dan selalu > > > > > >> > mengikuti > > > > > >> > perintah alkitab. Makanya lo tega ngembat ibu lo sendiri, lo > > > > > >> > halal > > > > > >> > ngebuntingin anak lo sendiri, karena itu kan sesuai dengan > > > > > >> > perintah > > > > > >> > alkitab yang penuh dogma. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Bener gitu kan, tem? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Hehehe... > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > On 6/27/13, rezameutia <rezameutia@> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > Coba > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> Lu ga pernah mau ngaku apa isi 65:4. > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Ah.., omongan lo muter2 mulu kayak anjing lagi ngejar > > > > > >> > > > ekornya. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Dulu kan ayat 65:4 ini udah pernah dibahas kalo lo sekarang > > > > > >> > > > mau > > > > > >> > > > ngebahas > > > > > >> > > > lagi, silahkan aja kasih ayat ini dan ngebahas lagi tentang > > > > > >> > > > masa > > > > > >> > > > iddah itu. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> Hehehe... jadi lu ngaku bhw Quran bilang kesaksian cewek > > > > > >> > > >> itu 1/2 > > > > > >> > > >> dr > > > > > >> > > >> kesaksian cowok, bukan? > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> Kalo misal ada negara muslim yg ga melaksanakan konsep itu, > > > > > >> > > >> itu > > > > > >> > > >> sih > > > > > >> > > >> cuma sekedar milih2 ayat yg ga disukai unt ga diterapkan. > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> Knp ayat yg bilang kesaksian cewek 1/2 dr kesaksian cowok > > > > > >> > > >> itu ga > > > > > >> > > >> diterapkan? Jawabnya adalah krn ga masuk akal krn ga sesuai > > > > > >> > > >> dgn > > > > > >> > > >> fakta, > > > > > >> > > >> melecehkan cewek dan nindas cewek. > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> Betul ga yg gua bilang? > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> Lu tanya ajaran Islam mana yg ga masuk akal, gua udah ngasih > > > > > >> > > >> contohnya > > > > > >> > > >> unt ngebuktikan kebenaran omongan gua. > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Mana ada yang bener omongan manusiia berotak kosong dan > > > > > >> > > > bermental > > > > > >> > > > anjing > > > > > >> > > > kayak elo? > > > > > >> > > > Gw kan udah kasih jawaban dibawah tuh tentang kesaksian > > > > > >> > > > perempuan > > > > > >> > > > di > > > > > >> > > > Indonesia, artinya Islam sebagai agama universal beradaptasi > > > > > >> > > > dengan > > > > > >> > > > adat > > > > > >> > > > istiadat setempat. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Makanya orang Islam di Arab, orang Islam di Pakistan, orang > > > > > >> > > > Islam > > > > > >> > > > di > > > > > >> > > > Amerika, orang Islam di Indonesia, semuanya berbeda karena > > > > > >> > > > adat > > > > > >> > > > istiadatnyanya berbeda. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Kristen2 dogol kayak elo selalu copas berita2 dari Arab, > > > > > >> > > > Pakistan, > > > > > >> > > > Aghan, > > > > > >> > > > dan bilang Islam itu sama. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> Kl lu mau kaing2 tentang Alkitab, silakan aja lu terusin > > > > > >> > > >> kaing2 > > > > > >> > > >> lu. > > > > > >> > > >> Gua ga hrs ngelayanin kaing2 dr anjing buduk kejepit buntut. > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Bagus deh... > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Artinya lo mengakui bahwa alkitab isinya cabul dan sesat, > > > > > >> > > > makanya lo > > > > > >> > > > halal > > > > > >> > > > ngembat ibu lo sendiri, halal ngembat anak sendiri seperti > > > > > >> > > > anjing > > > > > >> > > > seperti > > > > > >> > > > perintah di alkitab. Hehehe.... > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Memang bukan cuma lo aja kok yang ngacir kalo membahas ayat2 > > > > > >> > > > di > > > > > >> > > > alkitab yang > > > > > >> > > > cabul dan sesat. Pendeta nub aja nggak berani membantah > > > > > >> > > > bahwa > > > > > >> > > > alkitab > > > > > >> > > > memang cabul dan sesat kok... > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> BUat gua, semakin sering lu kaing2 spt itu, semakin kliatan > > > > > >> > > >> betapa > > > > > >> > > >> dungunya anjing2 buduk piaraan orang Islam spt suryana dan > > > > > >> > > >> Teddy. > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> On 6/26/13, rezameutia <rezameutia@> wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> > > > > > >> > > >> > wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> Ngasih masa iddah ke cewek ingusan yg blm mens itu masuk > > > > > >> > > >> >> akal > > > > > >> > > >> >> ga? > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > Mana ada yang disebut 'masa iddah ke cewe ingusan yang > > > > > >> > > >> > blom > > > > > >> > > >> > mens'? > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > Ini kan cuman opini goblok lo aja. > > > > > >> > > >> > Udah pernah kan lo berdebat dengan gw tentang masa iddah > > > > > >> > > >> > bukan > > > > > >> > > >> > untuk > > > > > >> > > >> > cewe > > > > > >> > > >> > ingusan, tapi lo tetep aja dengan pikiran opini dogol lo > > > > > >> > > >> > nganggap > > > > > >> > > >> > masa > > > > > >> > > >> > iddah > > > > > >> > > >> > adalah cewe ingusan yang blom mens. > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > Lo bisa browsing di internet yang namanya masa iddah... > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> Kesaksian cewek 1/2 dr kesaksiakn cowok masuk akal ga? > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > Kenyataannya, saksi cw nggak kayak gitu di negara Muslim, > > > > > >> > > >> > dan > > > > > >> > > >> > juga > > > > > >> > > >> > negara > > > > > >> > > >> > muslim terbesar di dunia seperti di Indonesia, semua > > > > > >> > > >> > saksi cewe > > > > > >> > > >> > harganya > > > > > >> > > >> > sama dengan saksi cowo. > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > Lha.., kok lo ngacir ketika ditanya tentang ayat2 di > > > > > >> > > >> > alkitab yang > > > > > >> > > >> > cabul > > > > > >> > > >> > dan > > > > > >> > > >> > sesat, tem? Karena tidak ada orang kristen dan bahkan > > > > > >> > > >> > pendeta > > > > > >> > > >> > kristen > > > > > >> > > >> > yang > > > > > >> > > >> > membantah hal itu, artinya lo mengakui bahwa alkitab itu > > > > > >> > > >> > cabul > > > > > >> > > >> > dan > > > > > >> > > >> > sesat > > > > > >> > > >> > ya? > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> On 6/25/13, rezameutia <rezameutia@> wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> >> > Yang mana ajaran Islam yang nggak masuk akal? > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > Hadis memang musti dipilih2 karena orang Islam tau ada > > > > > >> > > >> >> > hadis > > > > > >> > > >> >> > palsu > > > > > >> > > >> >> > dan > > > > > >> > > >> >> > hadis > > > > > >> > > >> >> > sahih. Itu yang gw bilang musti dipake akalnya. > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > Beda dengan elo dan kristen dogol yang nggak dipake > > > > > >> > > >> >> > akalnya. > > > > > >> > > >> >> > Tertulis > > > > > >> > > >> >> > di > > > > > >> > > >> >> > alkitab halal ngembat ibu sendiri, lo embat ibu lo > > > > > >> > > >> >> > sendiri, > > > > > >> > > >> >> > halal > > > > > >> > > >> >> > ngembat > > > > > >> > > >> >> > anak sendiri, lo embat anak lo sendiri sampe bunting. > > > > > >> > > >> >> > Halal > > > > > >> > > >> >> > memperkosa > > > > > >> > > >> >> > adik > > > > > >> > > >> >> > lo sendiri, lo perkosa adik lo juga. Memang agama > > > > > >> > > >> >> > kristen > > > > > >> > > >> >> > penuh > > > > > >> > > >> >> > dengan > > > > > >> > > >> >> > dogma, seperti diakui oleh tawangalun asli kok. > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > Lalu, apa bedanya lo sama anjing tem? > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> > > > > > >> > > >> >> > wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> Si reza ngaku di milis ini bhw dia pilih2 hadis yg > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> sesuai > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> seleranya, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> artinya hadis yg ga dipilih itu kalo bukannya dia ga > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> suka ya > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> dia > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> anggap ga masuk akal. Dgn sendirinya, ayat QUran jg > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> diperlakukan > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> sama > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> spt hadis, jg ajaran Islam yg ada di syariat iblisnya. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> Ngakunya sih agamanya itu kompatibel dg akal, padahal > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> yg tjd > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> adalah > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> agamanya disesuaikan dgn kemauannya, krn ga > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> kompatibel. Hrs > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> dimodifikasi. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> Emang dungu orang2 Islam itu. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> On 6/23/13, Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > And I qooute "Islam bikin cerdas dan pilihan agama > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > harus > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > kompatibel > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > dengan > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > akal". > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > Apakah ini berarti ajaran Islam kompatibel dg akal? > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > - Agama yg mengajarkan permusuhan; > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > - Agama yg menelecehkan 50% dari manusia yaitukiaum > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > perempuan yg > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > diangap > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > deficient dlm akal; > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > - Agama yg mengamini tahayul: nabi naik Bouraq ke > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > sorga; > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > - Agama yg salah ngajarin ttg embryo development; > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > - Agama yg ngajarin ada 7 langit dan 7 bumi; > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > - Agama yg bilang bhw matahari terbenam di mataa > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > air keruh > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > di > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > ujung > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > barat > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > bumi (artinya buminya datar spt tempat tidur orang > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > bedu); > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > - Agama yg ajarannya saling bertentangan. Misalnya: > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > agamamu > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > bagi > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > mu > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > dst. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > tapi bunuhlah mereka yg tidak percaya pd Alah dan > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > Nabi dan > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > puluhan > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > lainnya. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > - Kalau hal2 di atas mnrt anda kompatibel dg akal, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > maka aku > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > pikir > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > akalnya yg > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > kurang waras dan sekedar akal2n. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > Gabriella > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > PS > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > Tanya pd diri anda kenapa jutaan Muslim berbondong2 > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > ingin > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > bernaung > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > di > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > negara2 kafir? > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > ________________________________ > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > From: rezameutia <rezameutia@> > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > Sent: Sunday, 23 June 2013 5:38 PM > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > Subject: [proletar] Re: Islam at war with itself! > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > Si gabby lagi ngayal... > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Kalau keadaan spt ini berlangsung dlm dekade2 > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> mendatang, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> maka > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> tidak > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> mustahil kalau Islam akan hancur dari dalam. Islam > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> might > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> implode > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> without > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> any interference from any outside agencies. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > Padahal udah jelas menurut Pew Research, Islam > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > adalah agama > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > yang > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > paling > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > bersinar dan Kristen agama yang meredup ditinggalkan > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > pengikutnya. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > Semuanya udah jelas, ajaran goblok yang penuh dogma > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > akan > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > ditinggalkan > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > pengikutnya karena manusia udah semakin cerdas dan > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > pilihan > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > agama > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > harus > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > kompatibel dengan akal. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Gabriella Rantau > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > <gkrantau@> > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> FYI: article dari Pakistan yg menarik yg > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> menunjukkan > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Muslim > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> saling > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> memushi > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Muslim. Balas dendam dianggap sebagai keadilan. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Memaafkan > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> dianggap > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> sebagai > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> kelemahan! Kalau keadaan spt ini berlangsung dlm > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> dekade2 > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> mendatang, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> maka > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> tidak mustahil kalau Islam akan hancur dari dalam. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Islam > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> might > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> implode > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> without any interference from any outside agencies. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Gabriella > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> June 20, 2013 hancurSpecial Dispatch No.5342 > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Article In Pakistani > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Daily ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬" 'Islam At War > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬" With > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Itself': 'Muslim Societies > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Have... > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Evolved > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Into Places Where Revenge Is Confused With Justice, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Forgiveness > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> With > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Weakness, And Peace With Cowardice' > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Pakistan and many Islamic countries are witnessing > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> targeted > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> killings of Shia Muslims by Sunni jihadi forces > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> such as > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Taliban > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> and > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Al-Qaeda (image courtesy: shiapost.om) > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Given below are excerpts from an article that > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> appeared in > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> a > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> leading > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Pakistani daily following the June 15, 2013 terror > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> attacks > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> in > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Quetta, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> capital of Pakistan's Baluchistan province, where a > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> female > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> suicide > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> bomber > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> attacked a bus carrying female students and later > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> militants > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> laid > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> siege > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> to a > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> medical complex where the injured were being > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> treated. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> The article, titled "Islam at War > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬" With > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Itself" by prominent commentator Murtaza Haider, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> was > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> published > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> by > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Dawn, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> a > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> liberal Pakistani newspaper. In it, Haider argues > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> that > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> debate > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> in the Islamic world focuses on the conflicts where > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Muslims are > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> oppressed > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> by > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> non-Muslims, while conveniently failing to raise a > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> debate > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> as to > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> why > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Muslims are > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> killing Muslims. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Following are excerpts from the article:[1] > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "From Aleppo In Syria To Quetta In Baluchistan, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Muslims > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Are > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Engaged In The Slaughter Of Other Muslims"; "Many > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Wonder > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> If The > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Belief In Islam Is Sufficient To Bind Muslims In > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Peace > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> With Each > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Other" > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "From Aleppo in Syria to Quetta in > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Baluchistan, Muslims are engaged in the slaughter > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> of > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> other > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Muslims. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> The > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> numbers > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> are enormous:ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ over > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> 93,000 killed in the Syrian civil warÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> andÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ over > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> 48,000 dead in Pakistan [since 2004]. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "Millions > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> have perished in similar intra-Muslim conflicts in > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> past four > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> decades. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Many > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> wonder if the belief in Islam is sufficient to bind > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Muslims in > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> peace > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> with > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> each > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> other. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "Since > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the end of the Second World War, the world has > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> moved in > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> two > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> distinct > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> directions. The West, mostly Christian, has tried > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> to > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> minimize > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> intra-European conflict and has largely been > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> successful > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> with > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> some > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> exceptions. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> The Muslim world, on the other hand, has fallen > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> into one > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> violent > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> conflict > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> after > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> another, involving mostly Muslims. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "Several > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> intra-Muslim conflicts continue to simmer as proxy > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> wars. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> In the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> '80s, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Iran-Iraq war alone left millions dead. More > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> recently, a > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> car > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> bomb > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> in > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Iraq > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> on > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Sunday [June 16, 2013] killed another 39 in the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> sectarian > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> warfare > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> between > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Shias and Sunnis that killedÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ at least > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> 1,045 in May > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> 2013." > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "The > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Overwhelming Evidence... Suggests That The > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Sectarian And > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Tribal > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Divisions > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Amongst Muslims And Justifying Violence In The > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Name Of > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Religion > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Are > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> The > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Primary > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Causes Of Why Islam Is At War With Itself" > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "As the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> violence amongst Muslims increases, most Muslims > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> prefer > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> denial, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> or > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> look > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> for scapegoats. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Those in denial believe no such violence exists > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> and the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> entire > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> issue > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> is > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> made up > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> by the Western-controlled media. Others blame it on > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> scapegoats > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬" > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Indians > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> and > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Americans are the most frequently blamed. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "The > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> overwhelming evidence, however, suggests that the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> sectarian and > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> tribal > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> divisions amongst Muslims and justifying violence > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> in the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> name of > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> religion > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> are > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the primary causes of why Islam is at war with > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> itself. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "In > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Pakistan, confessions and appalling claims of > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> responsibility by > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> spokespersons for the Tehreek-e-Taliban and > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Lashkar-e-Jhangvi > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> should > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> leave > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> no > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> doubt [as to] where the guilt resides. At the same > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> time, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Pakistani > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> intelligence > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> agencies have put together incriminating evidence > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> running > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> into > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> hundreds > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> of > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> thousands of pages against the extremist sectarian > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> outfits, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Al-Qaeda > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> affiliates, the nationalist militias in > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Baluchistan, and > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> others > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> who > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> have > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> perpetrated indiscriminate violence against > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> civilians and > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> state > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> resulting > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> in over 48,000 deaths since 2004. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "The > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> hate-fuelled gulfs that divide Muslims are so wide > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> that > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> not only > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> unarmed > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> civilians, but doctors and others who try to save > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> victims > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> of > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> violence > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> are > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> also > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> targeted by the extremists.TheÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ attack > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> on the Bolan > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Medical > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> ComplexÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> on > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Saturday [June 15, 2013 in Quetta], > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> which left scores dead, including four nurses, was > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> not the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> first > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> of > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> its > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> kind. A > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> sectarian [Shia-Sunni] attack in Karachi in > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> February 2010 > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> was > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> followed > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> by > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> aÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ bomb attack on the Jinnah > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Postgraduate Medical > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Centre HospitalÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ where > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> victims were rushed for treatment. More than 25 > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Shia > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Muslims > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> perished > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> in > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> two attacks." > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "From > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> The Very First Day, Muslims Are Taught That Their > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Belief > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> In > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Islam > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Trumps > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> All > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Other Identities That They May Hold"; "Why Then, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Have > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Millions > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Of > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Muslims Died At The Hands Of Their Fellow > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Believers?" > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "And while > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the Muslim-on-Muslim violence is claiming victims > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> all > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> over > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Pakistan, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> violence against non-Muslims, including Hindus and > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Christians, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> often > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> brings > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> together Muslims of different stripes, who would > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> otherwise > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> be > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> fighting > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> each > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> other, in attacking religious minorities. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "The > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> targeted killings of university professors in > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Karachi and > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Quetta, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> murder of > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Shia doctors and professionals, and the attacks on > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> shrines > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> of > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> patron > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> saints > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> [i.e. Sufi mystics] are all evidence of the fact > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> that > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Muslims > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> have > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> been > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> killing > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> other Muslims while being motivated by hate and > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> using > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Islam to > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> justify > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> violence. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "Why > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> is that the belief in Islam is not sufficient to > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> prevent > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> violence > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> amongst > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Muslims? > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "From > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the very first day, Muslims are taught that their > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> belief > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> in > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Islam > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> trumps > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> all > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> other identities that they may hold. Their skin > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> color, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> tribe, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> caste, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> or > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> creed ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬" > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> none matters once they enter the fold of Islam. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Why then, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> have > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> millions > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> of > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Muslims died at the hands of their fellow > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> believers?" > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "Political, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Religious, And Other Leaders In The Muslim World > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Have Kept > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> The > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Dialogue > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Focused > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> On The Conflicts Where Muslims Have Been The > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Victims"; > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "Seldom > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Has > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> The Dialogue Focused On Why Muslims Kill Other > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Muslims" > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "Political, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> religious, and other leaders in the Muslim world > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> have kept > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> dialogue > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> focused > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> on the conflicts where Muslims have been the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> victims. The > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Bosnian > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> conflict, the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> communal violence in India, which has caused the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> death of > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> thousands > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> of > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Muslims, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> and the Arab-Israeli conflict have been the focus > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> of > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Muslim > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> leaders. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "Seldom > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> has the dialogue focused on why Muslims kill other > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Muslims. And > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> even > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> if > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> topic ever comes up, it ends up being an exercise > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> in mass > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> scapegoating. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "Muslim > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> societies have thus evolved into places where > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> revenge is > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> confused > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> with > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> justice, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> forgiveness with weakness, and peace with > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> cowardice. These > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> are > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> places > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> where > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> unholy men wage holy wars against unarmed > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> civilians, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> pitching > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Muslims > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> against > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> other Muslims. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "ImagineÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ the state of mind of the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> person who > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> wore a suicide vest and boarded the bus carrying > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> young > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> women [on > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> June > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> 15 > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> in > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Quetta] whose bright faces were lit with the pride > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> of > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> being > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> educated. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> There was > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> no reason to attack these innocent women who were > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> unarmed > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> and > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> unrelated > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> to > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> any > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> conflict. But that did not deter the suicide > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> bomberÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> who > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> proceeded > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> to > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> kill > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> them and herselfÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ in a suicide attack." > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "A > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Group Of Men Chanted With Pride 'Allah-u-Akbar'..., > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Eulogizing > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> The > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Female > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Suicide Bomber For Killing [Female Students]"; > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "This Was > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> All > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Done > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> In > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> The Name Of Islam; This Will Be Repeated Sooner > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Than > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Later; Some > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Would > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Argue > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> This Is Not The 'Real' Islam" > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "Moments > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> before the blast, the young women were ignorant of > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> pain that > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> would > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> soon be > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> inflicted on them. They must [have been] smiling > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> and > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> talking to > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> their > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> friends, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> planning for the rest of the day and for what lay > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> ahead in > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> their > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> lives. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> The > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> suicide bomber looked at the faces of the women > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> who, if > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> given > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> opportunity, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> would most certainly have improved the plight of > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> their > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> impoverished > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> nation...." > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "Somewhere > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> in or near Quetta, a group of men chanted with > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> pride, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> 'Allah-u-Akbar' > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> (God > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> is > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> great), eulogizing the female suicide bomber for > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> killing > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> very > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> women > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> [students] who held the most promise for Pakistan. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Their > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> spokesperson > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> called > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the news outlets to claim responsibility for the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> attack > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> on > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> unarmed > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> women. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Later, at the Bolan Medical Complex in Quetta, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> another > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> group of > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> men, > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> armed > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> with > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> AK-47 and wearing suicide vests, engaged the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> security > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> personnel > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> in > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> a > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> standoff > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> that left several more dead, including four nurses > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> who > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> were > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> attending > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> to > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> wounded from the earlier blast. > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> "This was all done in the name of Islam. This > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> will be repeated sooner than later. Some would > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> argue this > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> is not > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> the > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> 'real' > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Islam. Does it really matter what real Islam is > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> when its > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> true > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> followers > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> cannot > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> stand against those who use religion to commit > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> genocide?" > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Endnote: > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> [1] Dawn.com (Pakistan), June 17, 2013. 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