Halah Bu surgamu hanya dikasih hidup kekal tanpa dispecifie ada apa didalamnya.Padahal kalau cuman kekal tetanggaku yg 90 th itu malah inginnya mati soale gak ada nikmat apa2 lagi.Jadi surga itu idealnya kayak punyaknya Islam.
Paulus anak wedus. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@...> wrote: > > Bang Anak Wedus, Al Qur'an dlm bhs Arab mengatakan bhw HURIA itu 'ciptaan > baru' karena yg nulis ayat itu sebenarnya tidak nyahok apa arti huria itu. > Kemudian karena dikaitkan dengan kata kerja 'dikawinkan' maka 'huria' itu > menjadi bidadari perawan. > Sebenarnya dlm ahasa Syriac yg dibicarakan ilah orang yg masuk Janna (Bhs. > Persia) "Akan disegarkan dengan setundun anggur putih!" Nah, cilakanya > tulisan disegarkan "RAWAJ" itu sangat mirip dengan kata "Dikawinkan" = > 'sawaj' (Ingat sawaj muta'a) >  > Akhirnya Muslim yg over-sexed dan tidak bisa memperoleh perempuan (boro2 > perawan, apalagi bidadari) sangat senang dijanjikan bidadari yg selalu > perawan dan 72 jumlahnya. >  > Ini artinya Muslim mengharapkan Auloh itu sebagai germo, penyedia perempuan, > eh bidadari. Bedanya di bumi harus bayar sedang di Janna gratis asl mati > shahid! >  > Heibat nian Al Qur'an ini. >  > Gabriella >  > PS Terjemahan 'tidak pernah disentuh' itu terjemahan yg sudah diper-mooi arti > aslinya dlm Bahasa Arab 'tidak pernah tusuk vaginanya' > > > ________________________________ > From: Tawangalun <tawangalun@...> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, 19 August 2013 9:13 PM > Subject: Bukan BIDADARI tapi Anggurputih. Re: [proletar] The Guardian > (Warraq) : Virgins? What virgins? > >  > Wah picek juga orang ini cari di surah Waqiah 56:22.itu ttg mata jeli,lalu > 55:56.itu ttg tunduk pandang dan gak pernah disentuh manusia dan jin.Lalu > 55:72.yg jelita. > Ayat2 diatas semua yg ttg bidadari.Masih ada ayat lain tapi itu dulu.Jangan > ngotot anggur putih. > > Paulus anak wedus. > > --- In mailto:proletar%40yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > wrote: > > > > > > Tawang ini jelas sudah gila.. > > > > Luxenberg sudah menjelaskan bahwa nggak ada tuh di khurafah najis al-Musahf > > dibilang anggur itu "Tunduk pandang dan bermata jeli.2.Tidak pernah mens. > > 3.Segelnya renewable. 4.Belum pernah disentuh oleh manusia dan jin." > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:proletar%40yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" <tawangalun@> wrote: > > > > > > Wong gemblung Yusfiq gak bisa njelasin kenapa kalau anggur putih kok ada > > > keterangan: > > > > > > 1.Tunduk pandang dan bermata jeli. > > > 2.Tidak pernah mens. > > > 3.Segelnya renewable. > > > 4.Belum pernah disentuh oleh manusia dan jin. > > > > > > Paulus anak wedus. > > > > > > --- In mailto:proletar%40yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" > > > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Tawang memang orang gila... > > > > > > > > Yang membuktikan bahwa kata "huri" itu artinya buah anggur putih adalah > > > > peneliti ilmiah... > > > > > > > > Sedangkan yang bilang kata huri itu artinya bidadari adalah orang-orang > > > > dungu yagnakanjing yagn tidak berpendidikan... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:proletar%40yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" <tawangalun@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kenapa kamu kok selalu ingin membawa terjemahan bidadari menjadi > > > > > anggur putih,opo takut pengin kalau saya nanti dikitari 72 supermodel? > > > > > Lawong ayat lain disebut: > > > > > > > > > > 1.Tunduk pandang,bermata jeli. > > > > > 2.Tidak pernah mens. > > > > > 3.Setiap habis berhubungan segelnya renewable. > > > > > Anggur opo yg segelnya perlu di renewable,atau yg bermata jeli. > > > > > Luxenburg Luling itu wong guwing ,ngira kalau surga itu bidadarinya > > > > > tuwo kayak Marlene. > > > > > > > > > > Paulus anak wedus. > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:proletar%40yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" > > > > > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tawang itu emang gila... > > > > > > > > > > > > Orang bicara tentang arti berbagai kata di khurafah najis al-Mushaf > > > > > > susunan orang Arab priitif dia bicara masaalah "bahasa Arab sehari2 > > > > > > itu berbeda dg bhs Arab yg diajarkan di pondok Gontor atau IAIN," > > > > > > > > > > > > Tawang ini memang orang gila, sama gilanya dengan johny-indon... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:proletar%40yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" > > > > > > <tawangalun@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > La memang bahasa Arab sehari2 itu berbeda dg bhs Arab yg > > > > > > > diajarkan di pondok Gontor atau IAIN,tapi wong Arab bisa nangkap > > > > > > > juga kalau diajak ngomong alumni Gontor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paulus anak wedus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:proletar%40yahoogroups.com, Gabriella Rantau > > > > > > > <gkrantau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bagi Muslim yg jujur, yg ingin mengetahui apakah ayat2nya > > > > > > > > berasal dari Allah atau dari manusia, silakan membaca hasil > > > > > > > > riset Luxemberg. Risetnya berjudul 'Kata2 asing dalam Al > > > > > > > > Qur'an.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Umat Islam haqul-yakin bhw Bahasa Arab yg dipakai untuk > > > > > > > > menyampaikan perintah Allah danàyg kemudian dituliskan > > > > > > > > menjadi Al Qur'an itu adalah bahasa yg paling baik, paling > > > > > > > > lengkap, bahasa sorgawi. Ini merupakan alasan mgengapa ayat2 Al > > > > > > > > Qur'an harus dilafalkan dlm bahasa aslinya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Luxemberg dlm researchnya menemukan lebih dari 200 kata asing > > > > > > > > (kata2 berasal dari bahasa manusia, bukan dari sorga) yg > > > > > > > > dipakai dlm al Qur'an. Banyak kata2 itu asalnya Bahasa Persia > > > > > > > > (misalnya, firdaus, janna, jahanam,àdst.), bahasa Yahudi > > > > > > > > (misalnya: Messsiah menjadi Al Masih), dari bahasa Yunani Koine > > > > > > > > (misalnya: Injil dari salah ucap orang2 Kristen Arab > > > > > > > > "Eaugenlion" = Kabar sukacita) dan bahkan bahasa Ethiopia ( > > > > > > > > misalnya: hawariyun). Ini jelas membuktikan bhw Bahasa al > > > > > > > > Qur'an bukan bahasa yg sempurna, bukan bahasa sorgawi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sebenarnya pd th. 1938Prof. Arthur Jeffreys dari London sudah > > > > > > > > mengumpulkan kata2 asing yang ada di dalam Al Qur'an.. > > > > > > > > Luxemburg menemukan kata2 Syriac (dialek Timur dari bahasa Aram > > > > > > > > = bahasanya Yesus) yg rupanya salah dimengerti dan > > > > > > > > diterjemahkan secara salah pula. Salah satu kata itu ialah > > > > > > > > 'hurin' yg arti aslinya setundun 'anggur warna putih - > > > > > > > > translucent'. Mula2 penterjemah yg tidak tahu arti sebenarnya > > > > > > > > menterjemahkannya sebagai 'bidadari perawan abadi'. Begitu juga > > > > > > > > kata 'rawaj' (= disegarkan) yg dalam tulisannya sangat mirip > > > > > > > > dengan kata ;sawaj' - 'kawin/dikawinkan'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jadi seebenarnya yg dijanjikanàkepada Muslim yg mati > > > > > > > > syuhada adalah: 'Disegarkan oleh setundun anggur putih' tapi > > > > > > > > karena salah terjemahannya menjadi 'dikawinkan dengan sejumlah > > > > > > > > bidadari' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kasihan benar semua yg mati syuhada, yg mati bom bunuh diri > > > > > > > > termasuk Amrozi, Imam Samudra, Dr. Umar Top (Malaysian) kalau > > > > > > > > mereka diijinkan masuk Janna, mereka hanya diegarkan oleh > > > > > > > > setundun anggur putis' dan tidak 'dikawinkan dg sejumlah > > > > > > > > bidadari'. OomTawangalun yg juga berharap dapat ngerjain 72 > > > > > > > > bidadari (super model) akan sangat kuciwa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Itulah sedihnya kalau orang dungu menyontek, akibatnya > > > > > > > > menjadikan ribuan Muslim terperosok janji kosong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > > > > To: mailto:proletar%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, 19 August 2013 2:53 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: [proletar] The Guardian (Warraq) : Virgins? What > > > > > > > > virgins? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > http://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/jan/12/books.guardianreview5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Culture > > > > > > > > Books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ibn Warraq > > > > > > > > The Guardian, Saturday 12 January 2002 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Virgins? What virgins? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is widely believed that Muslim 'martyrs' enjoy rich sensual > > > > > > > > rewards on reaching paradise. A new study suggests they may be > > > > > > > > disappointed. Ibn Warraq reports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In August, 2001, the American television channel CBS aired an > > > > > > > > interview with a Hamas activist Muhammad Abu Wardeh, who > > > > > > > > recruited terrorists for suicide bombings in Israel. Abu Wardeh > > > > > > > > was quoted as saying: "I described to him how God would > > > > > > > > compensate the martyr for sacrificing his life for his land. If > > > > > > > > you become a martyr, God will give you 70 virgins, 70 wives and > > > > > > > > everlasting happiness." Wardeh was in fact shortchanging his > > > > > > > > recruits since the rewards in Paradise for martyrs was 72 > > > > > > > > virgins. But I am running ahead of things . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since September 11, news stories have repeated the story of > > > > > > > > suicide bombers and their heavenly rewards, and equally Muslim > > > > > > > > scholars and Western apologists of Islam have repeated that > > > > > > > > suicide is forbidden in Islam. Suicide (qatlu nafsi-hi) is not > > > > > > > > referred to in the Koran but is indeed forbidden in the > > > > > > > > Traditions (Hadith in Arabic), which are the collected sayings > > > > > > > > and doings attributed to the Prophet and traced back to him > > > > > > > > through a series of putatively trustworthy witnesses. They > > > > > > > > include what was done in his presence that he did not forbid, > > > > > > > > and even the authoritative sayings and doings of his companions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the Hamas spokesman correctly uses the word martyr (shahid) > > > > > > > > and not suicide bomber, since those who blow themselves up > > > > > > > > almost daily in Israel and those who died on September 11 were > > > > > > > > dying in the noblest of all causes, Jihad, which is an > > > > > > > > incumbent religious duty, established in the Koran and in the > > > > > > > > Traditions as a divine institution, and enjoined for the > > > > > > > > purpose of advancing Islam. While suicide is forbidden, > > > > > > > > martyrdom is everywhere praised, welcomed, and urged: "By the > > > > > > > > Being in Whose Hand is my life, I love that I should be killed > > > > > > > > in the way of Allah; then I should be brought back to life and > > > > > > > > be killed again in His way..."; "The Prophet said, 'Nobody who > > > > > > > > enters Paradise will ever like to return to this world even if > > > > > > > > he were offered everything, except the martyr who will desire > > > > > > > > to return to this world and be killed 10 times for the sake of > > > > > > > > the great honour that has been bestowed upon him'." [Sahih > > > > > > > > Muslim, chapters 781, 782, The Merit of > Jihad and the > > > > > > > > Merit of Martyrdom.] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What of the rewards in paradise? The Islamic paradise is > > > > > > > > described in great sensual detail in the Koran and the > > > > > > > > Traditions; for instance, Koran sura 56 verses 12 -40 ; sura 55 > > > > > > > > verses 54-56 ; sura 76 verses 12-22. I shall quote the > > > > > > > > celebrated Penguin translation by NJ Dawood of sura 56 verses > > > > > > > > 12- 39: "They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, > > > > > > > > and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and > > > > > > > > ewers and a cup of purest wine (that will neither pain their > > > > > > > > heads nor take away their reason); with fruits of their own > > > > > > > > choice and flesh of fowls that they relish. And theirs shall be > > > > > > > > the dark-eyed houris, chaste as hidden pearls: a guerdon for > > > > > > > > their deeds... We created the houris and made them virgins, > > > > > > > > loving companions for those on the right hand..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should note that most translations, even those by Muslims > > > > > > > > themselves such as A Yusuf Ali, and the British Muslim > > > > > > > > Marmaduke Pickthall, translate the Arabic (plural) word Abkarun > > > > > > > > as virgins, as do well-known lexicons such the one by John > > > > > > > > Penrice. I emphasise this fact since many pudic and embarrassed > > > > > > > > Muslims claim there has been a mistranslation, that "virgins" > > > > > > > > should be replaced by "angels". In sura 55 verses 72-74, Dawood > > > > > > > > translates the Arabic word " hur " as "virgins", and the > > > > > > > > context makes clear that virgin is the appropriate translation: > > > > > > > > "Dark-eyed virgins sheltered in their tents (which of your > > > > > > > > Lord's blessings would you deny?) whom neither man nor jinnee > > > > > > > > will have touched before." The word hur occurs four times in > > > > > > > > the Koran and is usually translated as a "maiden with dark > > > > > > > > eyes". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two points need to be noted. First, there is no mention > > > > > > > > anywhere in the Koran of the actual number of virgins available > > > > > > > > in paradise, and second, the dark-eyed damsels are available > > > > > > > > for all Muslims, not just martyrs. It is in the Islamic > > > > > > > > Traditions that we find the 72 virgins in heaven specified: in > > > > > > > > a Hadith (Islamic Tradition) collected by Al-Tirmidhi (died 892 > > > > > > > > CE [common era*]) in the Book of Sunan (volume IV, chapters on > > > > > > > > The Features of Paradise as described by the Messenger of Allah > > > > > > > > [Prophet Muhammad], chapter 21, About the Smallest Reward for > > > > > > > > the People of Paradise, (Hadith 2687). The same hadith is also > > > > > > > > quoted by Ibn Kathir (died 1373 CE ) in his Koranic commentary > > > > > > > > (Tafsir) of Surah Al-Rahman (55), verse 72: "The Prophet > > > > > > > > Muhammad was heard saying: 'The smallest reward for the people > > > > > > > > of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 > > > > > > > > wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, > > > > > > > > aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the > distance from > > > > > > > > Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a [Yemen]'." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Modern apologists of Islam try to downplay the evident > > > > > > > > materialism and sexual implications of such descriptions, but, > > > > > > > > as the Encyclopaedia of Islam says, even orthodox Muslim > > > > > > > > theologians such as al Ghazali (died 1111 CE) and Al-Ash'ari > > > > > > > > (died 935 CE) have "admitted sensual pleasures into paradise". > > > > > > > > The sensual pleasures are graphically elaborated by Al-Suyuti > > > > > > > > (died 1505 ), Koranic commentator and polymath. He wrote: "Each > > > > > > > > time we sleep with a houri we find her virgin. Besides, the > > > > > > > > penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; > > > > > > > > the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly > > > > > > > > delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it > > > > > > > > in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [ie Muslim] will > > > > > > > > marry seventy [sic] houris, besides the women he married on > > > > > > > > earth, and all will have appetising vaginas." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the reasons Nietzsche hated Christianity was that it > > > > > > > > "made something unclean out of sexuality", whereas Islam, many > > > > > > > > would argue, was sex-positive. One cannot imagine any of the > > > > > > > > Church fathers writing ecstatically of heavenly sex as > > > > > > > > al-Suyuti did, with the possible exception of St Augustine > > > > > > > > before his conversion. But surely to call Islam sex-positive is > > > > > > > > to insult all Muslim women, for sex is seen entirely from the > > > > > > > > male point of view; women's sexuality is admitted but seen as > > > > > > > > something to be feared, repressed, and a work of the devil. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scholars have long pointed out that these images are clearly > > > > > > > > drawn pictures and must have been inspired by the art of > > > > > > > > painting. Muhammad, or whoever is responsible for the > > > > > > > > descriptions, may well have seen Christian miniatures or > > > > > > > > mosaics representing the gardens of paradise and has > > > > > > > > interpreted the figures of angels rather literally as those of > > > > > > > > young men and young women. A further textual influence on the > > > > > > > > imagery found in the Koran is the work of Ephrem the Syrian > > > > > > > > [306-373 CE], Hymns on Paradise, written in Syriac, an Aramaic > > > > > > > > dialect and the language of Eastern Christianity, and a Semitic > > > > > > > > language closely related to Hebrew and Arabic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This naturally leads to the most fascinating book ever written > > > > > > > > on the language of the Koran, and if proved to be correct in > > > > > > > > its main thesis, probably the most important book ever written > > > > > > > > on the Koran. Christoph Luxenberg's book, Die Syro-Aramaische > > > > > > > > Lesart des Koran, available only in German, came out just over > > > > > > > > a year ago, but has already had an enthusiastic reception, > > > > > > > > particularly among those scholars with a knowledge of several > > > > > > > > Semitic languages at Princeton, Yale, Berlin, Potsdam, > > > > > > > > Erlangen, Aix-en-Provence, and the Oriental Institute in Beirut. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Luxenberg tries to show that many obscurities of the Koran > > > > > > > > disappear if we read certain words as being Syriac and not > > > > > > > > Arabic. We cannot go into the technical details of his > > > > > > > > methodology but it allows Luxenberg, to the probable horror of > > > > > > > > all Muslim males dreaming of sexual bliss in the Muslim > > > > > > > > hereafter, to conjure away the wide-eyed houris promised to the > > > > > > > > faithful in suras XLIV.54; LII.20, LV.72, and LVI.22. Luxenberg > > > > > > > > 's new analysis, leaning on the Hymns of Ephrem the Syrian, > > > > > > > > yields "white raisins" of "crystal clarity" rather than > > > > > > > > doe-eyed, and ever willing virgins - the houris. Luxenberg > > > > > > > > claims that the context makes it clear that it is food and > > > > > > > > drink that is being offerred, and not unsullied maidens or > > > > > > > > houris. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Syriac, the word hur is a feminine plural adjective meaning > > > > > > > > white, with the word "raisin" understood implicitly. Similarly, > > > > > > > > the immortal, pearl-like ephebes or youths of suras such as > > > > > > > > LXXVI.19 are really a misreading of a Syriac expression meaning > > > > > > > > chilled raisins (or drinks) that the just will have the > > > > > > > > pleasure of tasting in contrast to the boiling drinks promised > > > > > > > > the unfaithful and damned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Luxenberg's work has only recently been published we must > > > > > > > > await its scholarly assessment before we can pass any > > > > > > > > judgements. But if his analysis is correct then suicide > > > > > > > > bombers, or rather prospective martyrs, would do well to > > > > > > > > abandon their culture of death, and instead concentrate on > > > > > > > > getting laid 72 times in this world, unless of course they > > > > > > > > would really prefer chilled or white raisins, according to > > > > > > > > their taste, in the next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÷ Common era is an alternative to Christian era as a method > > > > > > > > of historical dating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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