--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "hadingrh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "So much for the controversy over the Sana fragments. It was actualy
> Toby Lester who was the one that tried to inflate this whole issue
> into something it wasn't, and Dr Puin himself has denied all the
> findings Lester ascribes to him, apart from the spelling differences.
> The media and western scholars just lapped it up without conscience,
> like they always do."
>
Ini adalah sekedar omongan doang...
> John Burton:
> What we have today in our hands is the Mushaf of Muhammad.
>
Biar ni orang kaing-kaing kayak anjing budug kena pentung, kenyataan
akan tetap sama: Puin yang ahli huruf Arab kuno bilang bahwa tidak ada
bukti arkeologis yang menunjukkan bahwa al-Mushaf itu usmani...
Nggak ada bukti.
Yang ada cuma omongan yang tidak berbukti.
>
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "hadjar_wish" <hadjar@> wrote:
> >
> > Reposting
> >
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq HADJAR" <tikungan@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dr. Christoph Heger
> > Mar 13 1999, 10:00 am hide options
> > Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
> > From: Christoph.He...@ (Dr. Christoph Heger) - Find
> > messages by this author
> > Date: 1999/03/13
> > Subject: Gerd-R. Puin's position on the Yemeni Qur'ans
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> >
> > Greetings to all,
> >
> >
> > In Toby Lester's article "What is the Koran?", published in the
> > January 1999 issue of The Atlantic Monthly, a German scholar, Dr.
> > Gerd-R. Puin, played a prominent role, as he is researching on
> > the old Yemeni Qur'an manuscripts. Since he felt that his
> > position concerning Qur'an scholarship could be misunderstood
> > from this article (and especially its various erroneous Arabic
> > translations) he asked me to share with this list his following
> > paper. He himself has no access to the Internet and its mailing
> > lists.
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Christoph Heger
> > _________________________________________________________
> > _____________
> > ____
> >
> > Dr. Gerd-R.
> > Puin
> > FR 7.2 Orientalistik
> > Universitaet des Saarlandes
> > D-66111 Saarbruecken
> >
> >
> > January, l999
> >
> > My position concerning my work on Yemeni Koran fragments:
> >
> >
> > I have been lucky - and still I am - to study many of the oldest
> > Yemeni Koran manuscripts written in the most archaic "Hijazi"
> > style.
> >
> > In these I found variants and peculiarities which are not
> > recorded in the traditional Arabic books on qira'at (variant
> > readings), or in the books on rasm al- masahif (orthography of
> > the Koran[s]) nor in those on the ti'dad al-ayat (counting
> > [systems] of verses).
> >
> > The Hijazi Korans show more variants than those recorded as the
> > Seven, Ten or Fourteen Readings, they show more patterns of
> > "counting" - i.e. definitions of what is to be understood as a
> > verse - than the two dozen "schools" of counting would accept,
> > finally, the sequence of how the surahs were arranged in early
> > times, was even more variegated than Ibn Nadim's account on the
> > sequence of surahs in the Korans of Ubayy or Ibn Mas'ud suggests!
> >
> >
> > If I had not had access to Yamani Koran fragments preserved in
> > the Dar al-Makhtutat al-Yamaniyyah, San'a', I could have possibly
> > found similar variants and peculiarities in Hijazi fragments of
> > the Koran kept outside the Yemen in many libraries or museums,
> > e.g. in France, Great Britain, Germany, Italy, or Kuwait. A most
> > spectacular (complete??) Hijazi Koran can be admired in the
> > Islamic Museum of Cairo, only a few meters from the entrance, in
> > a special vitrine to the right of the main route; this treasure
> > is in Egypt since 1300 years or so, but I know of no
> > investigation, of no publication on its peculiarities!
> >
> >
> > There is, on the Muslims' side, no interest in textual research
> > on the Koran since 900 years! Except from some western semitists
> > who, from time to time, detect the etymology of one Koranic
> > expression or another, most of the Arabists feel reluctant to
> > make up their minds on the genesis of the Koran. The reason for
> > this kind of negligence is quite clear: Both the Muslims and most
> > of the Arabists conceive any early deviation from the Koranic
> > scripture (as is represented by the Cairo print edition) for a
> > lapsus calami, a mere scribal error.
> >
> >
> > Yet, if "scribal errors" happen to occur with the same words,
> > more often than twice, in the same manuscript or even in two or
> > three, then it is common (philological) sense to look out for a
> > rationale!
> >
> > This is my position: taking recurrent deviations from the
> > (printed) Koran for serious and not for insufficiencies of the
> > early scribes!
> >
> > The Koran, being the biggest Arabic text corpus extant from late
> > antiquity, even in its actual printed edition bears witness of
> > all stages of orthographic reforms through which the text passed
> > down to us. I feel confident that an insight into the development
> > of Koranic orthography will at least lead to a different notion
> > of the text in some cases, and to a better understanding in many
> > many more passages.
> >
> > This will not, I'm afraid, bring about the breakthrough in the
> > understanding of the Koran, but it might contribute to show that
> > the Koran has a history, not only in the sense of asbab al-nuzul
> > ("causes for revelation"). The breakthrough might come along with
> > the answer upon the question: What is the language of the Koran?
> >
> > Meanwhile, I stick to the manuscripts.
> >
> > Dr. Gerd-R. Puin
> >
> >
> > Jusfiq Hadjar gelar Sutan Maradjo Lelo
> > ======================================
> >
> > Orang Islam tipikal kudu sadar bahwa al-Mushaf itu TIDAK berbukti
> > berisi wahyu Allah
> > dan hadits itu mustahil ada yang sahih
> >
> > --- End forwarded message ---
> >
> > --- End forwarded message ---
> >
>
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