OK lah dengan ung sendir; tapi kelakuan buang2 duit secara NGAWUR kaya begitu; apa bukan pemborosan ? Beli buku harusnya dibaca; ini untuk dikencingin ! Untuk diinjak injak ! kemuadian dibuang ! kelakuan yang kaya begitu apakah sesuai sebagai manusia BERAKAL !??? Apa kamu termasuk TUNA LOGIKA ?!!!
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq" <kesayangan.allah@...> wrote: > > Anda itu bajingna pendusta Abbas Amien. > > Anda itu bangsat tukang fitnah. > > Anda fitnah saya beli buku dengan "UANG hasil DERMA NEGARA" > > Saya beli buku dengan uang saya, uang tabungan dan uang pensiun yang aduhai > yang adalah uang saya yang dikelola oleh lembaga pengelolan pensiun di > Perancis dan negeri Belanda. > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Abbas" <abas_amin08@> wrote: > > > > Kalau DIBUANG berarti kau BELI lagi !? untuk kemudian dikencingin lagi ? > > Kok negri Frace atau Netherlands ngediamin saja ya ? Padahal BELI BUKU > > dengan UANG hasil DERMA NEGARA ? Digunakan secara sia2 ? > > Itu sih sama saja dengan NGINJEK2 BANTUAN orang ? > > Kau tak menghargai para DERMAWAN. > > Kau habiskan uang santunan hanya untuk beli BUKU dan kemudian kamu > > kencingin. Dan itu dilakukan berkali kali ! > > Mestinya kau sudah harus dibawa ke ASYLLUM. > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq" <kesayangan.allah@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Inilah hasil ajaran agama taik anjing Islam yang anda anut itu Abbas > > > Amin: bukan saja jadi dungu kayak b abi tapi anda juga jadi bajingan > > > tukang kibul dan bangsat pendusta. > > > > > > Setelah saya kencingi tu buku taik anjing al-Mushaf saya buang. > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Abbas" <abas_amin08@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Memangnya kaya kamu ngencingan koran terus ber kali2; > > > > sehingga bau pesing.Dan tetap kau simpan untuk nanti dikeningin lagi ! > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq" <kesayangan.allah@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Abbas Amin OOT, tidak sanggup menjawab pertanyaan item abu yang > > > > > berbunyi: > > > > > > > > > > "Kenapa lu ga pernah nanya ke FPI misalnya berapa rumah atau tempat > > > > > ibadah yg udah mereka bakar? Pasti FPI itu favorit lu kan." > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Abbas" <abas_amin08@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Disini emang ada FPI ? > > > > > > Yang ada kam cuman item abu > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jangan bandingin gua dgn orang Islam yg ngejalanin sunnah nabi > > > > > > > dgn ngebakar > > > > > > > rumah atau tempat ibadah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kenapa lu ga pernah nanya ke FPI misalnya berapa rumah atau > > > > > > > tempat ibadah yg > > > > > > > udah mereka bakar? Pasti FPI itu favorit lu kan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: Abbas <abas_amin08@> > > > > > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011 11:32:55 AM > > > > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasiii ............ sudh berapa rumah yang kau bakar !? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehehe.... yg nyuruh ngebakar rumah itu kan nabi lu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Volume 1, Book 11, Number 626: > > > > > > > > Narrated Abu Huraira: > > > > > > > > >The Prophet said, "No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than > > > > > > > > >the Fajr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these > > > > > > > > > prayers at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >their respective times, they would certainly present > > > > > > > > >themselves (in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >mosques) even if they had to c awl."The Prophet added, > > > > > > > > >"Certainly I > > > > > > > > >decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to > > > > > > > > >pronounce Iqama and > > > > > > > >order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to > > > > > > > > >burn all those > > > > > > > >who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >had not left their houses so far for the prayer along > > > > > > > > >with their > > > > > > > >houses." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jadi lu anggap ngebakar rumah itu adlaah perbuatan bejad? Kalo > > > > > > > > >gitu, nabi lu > > > > > > > >itu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >bejad, bukan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: Abbas <abas_amin08@> > > > > > > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011 10:00:34 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ngebakar rumah orangpun buat kanu apa salahnya bukan ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehehe.... emangnya apa salahnya ngebakar kitab yg ngehalalin > > > > > > > > > merkosa, > > > > > > > > > pedophilia, ngerampok, ngebunuh, perbudakan, ngibul dll? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > From: ndeboost <rambitesemak@> > > > > > > > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 5:36:01 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kertas Al Qur'an kurang empuk sbg pengganti roll-tissue. Ada > > > > > > > > > kok yg > > > > > > > > > lebih pas, dan lebih tebal lagi. Apa lagi bila sdh > > > > > > > > > kedaluwarsa, > > > > > > > > > ketimbang menuhin lemari. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utk dipakai kompos? Ga ekonomis. Disamping labourous juga > > > > > > > > > mahal. Satu Al > > > > > > > > > Qur'an (atau buku sucimu) bekas bisa utk beli 10 kg kompos > > > > > > > > > siap pakai. > > > > > > > > > Bahan hidro karbon perlu lk 3 bulan (cara standard) agar jadi > > > > > > > > > kompos. > > > > > > > > > Namun kalau ngotot, ya boleh juga. 'Mangnya @dapurmu perlu > > > > > > > > > komopos? Utk > > > > > > > > > make up? Utk dimakan? Kompos ga baik utk pencernaanmu, > > > > > > > > > kecuali kamu ikut > > > > > > > > > Nabi Nuh saat banjir besar. Perahunya terkatung-katung, > > > > > > > > > KATEBE, hampir > > > > > > > > > setahun. Ga ada pemasok nawarin logistik, jadi makanan yg di > > > > > > > > > stok either > > > > > > > > > habis, jadi kompos atau penumpangnya saling mangsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utk dibakar? Polusi. Utk bahan bakar mungkin lebih baik. > > > > > > > > > Sekalian mainan > > > > > > > > > abunya, ketimbang "mainan" semangka. Kamu kan masa kecil ga > > > > > > > > > bahagia? > > > > > > > > > Atau kamuflase, stok (sisa) Al Qur'an palsu pura-puranya > > > > > > > > > dibakar, > > > > > > > > > ketimbang ketahuan petugas dan jadi masalah legal. Kan > > > > > > > > > tetangga > > > > > > > > > seringnya malsu Al Qur'an? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keknya ga ada umat Islam pada malsu atau mbakarin Bibel. > > > > > > > > > Biasanya yg > > > > > > > > > dipalsu kwalitasnya sangat bagus. mBakarin Bibel? > > > > > > > > > Wekekekek.., sayang. > > > > > > > > > Kan di simpan bisa jadi barang antik? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cuma nDeboost pengin tahu, mbakar dan melecehkan Al Qur'an > > > > > > > > > 'mangnya > > > > > > > > > ajaran Yesus apa iblis? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gua pribadi sih ga setuju kalo Quran dibakar begitu aja, > > > > > > > > > > itu cuma > > > > > > > > > ngerusak > > > > > > > > > > alam, nambah karbon dioksida dan nyia2kan kertas yg dibuat > > > > > > > > > > dr pohon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drpd Quran dibakar begitu aja, mendingan Quran itu dipake > > > > > > > > > > kertasnya > > > > > > > > > buat > > > > > > > > > > bersihin pantat abis beol misalnya. Atau, bisa jg Quran > > > > > > > > > > dibuang ke dlm > > > > > > > > > tempat > > > > > > > > > > taik biar cepat jadi kompos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Betul ga tuh yg gua bilang? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/263916/more-koran-burning-andrew-c-\ > > > > > > > > > mccarthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More On Koran Burning > > > > > > > > > > April 5, 2011 10:59 A.M. > > > > > > > > > > By Andrew C. McCarthy > > > > > > > > > > Jonah, my problem with the Koran burning stunt is that it > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > counterproductive. I hear what > > > > > > > > > > youÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re saying about > > > > > > > >decency. But > > > > > > > > > on that score, > > > > > > > > > > I donÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t find the > > > > > > > > > > burning any more offensive in principle > > > > > > > >than I > > > > > > > > > do its opposite > > > > > > > > > > extreme: the bizarro hyper-reverence with which the Koran > > > > > > > > > > is handled > > > > > > > > > by the > > > > > > > > > > Defense Department. > > > > > > > > > > Down at Gitmo, the Defense Department gives the Koran to > > > > > > > > > > each of the > > > > > > > > > terrorists > > > > > > > > > > even though DoD knows they interpret it (not without > > > > > > > > > > reason) to > > > > > > > > > command them to > > > > > > > > > > kill the people who gave it to them. To underscore our > > > > > > > > > > precious > > > > > > > > > sensitivity to > > > > > > > > > > Muslims, standard procedure calls for the the book to be > > > > > > > > > > handled only > > > > > > > > > by Muslim > > > > > > > > > > military personnel. Sometimes, though, that is not > > > > > > > > > > possible for > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > reasons. If, as a last resort, one of our non-Muslim > > > > > > > > > > troops must > > > > > > > > > handle or > > > > > > > > > > transport the book, he must wear white gloves, and he is > > > > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > instructed > > > > > > > > > > primarily to use the right hand (indulging Muslim > > > > > > > >cultureÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s > > > > > > > > > taboo about the > > > > > > > > > > sinister left hand). The book is to be conveyed to the > > > > > > > > > > prisoners in a > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦"reverent > > > > > > > > > > mannerÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¯Ã¿Ã½ inside a > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦"clean dry > > > > > > > >towel.ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¯Ã¿Ã½ This is a > > > > > > > > > nod to Islamic teaching that > > > > > > > > > > infidels are so low a form of life that they should not be > > > > > > > > > > touched > > > > > > > > > (as > > > > > > > > > > Ayatollah Ali Sistani teaches, non-Muslims are > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦"considered > > > > > > > >in > > > > > > > > > the same > > > > > > > > > > category as urine, feces, semen, dead bodies, blood, dogs, > > > > > > > > > > pigs, > > > > > > > > > alcoholic > > > > > > > > > > liquors,ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¯Ã¿Ã½ and > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦"the sweat of an animal who > > > > > > > >persistently > > > > > > > > > eats [unclean things].ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¯Ã¿Ã½ > > > > > > > > > > This is every bit as indecent as torching the Koran, > > > > > > > > > > implicitly > > > > > > > > > endorsing as it > > > > > > > > > > does the very dehumanization of non-Muslims that leads to > > > > > > > > > > terrorism. > > > > > > > > > > Furthermore, there is hypocrisy to consider: the Defense > > > > > > > > > > Department > > > > > > > > > now piously > > > > > > > > > > condemning Koran burning is the same Defense Department > > > > > > > > > > that itself > > > > > > > > > did not > > > > > > > > > > give a second thought to confiscating and burning bibles in > > > > > > > > > Afghanistan. > > > > > > > > > > Quite consciously, U.S. commanders ordered this purge in > > > > > > > > > > deference to > > > > > > > > > sharia > > > > > > > > > > proscriptions against the proselytism of faiths other than > > > > > > > > > > Islam. And > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > General Petraeus well knows, his chain of command is not > > > > > > > > > > the only one > > > > > > > > > destroying > > > > > > > > > > bibles. Non-Muslim religious artifacts, including bibles, > > > > > > > > > > are torched > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > otherwise destroyed in Islamic countries every single day > > > > > > > > > > as a matter > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > standard operating procedure. (See, e.g., my 2007 post on > > > > > > > > > > Saudi > > > > > > > > > government > > > > > > > > > > guidelines that prohibit Jews and Christians from bringing > > > > > > > > > > bibles, > > > > > > > > > crucifixes, > > > > > > > > > > Stars of David, etc., into the country > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬" and, of course, not > > > > > > > > > just non-Muslim > > > > > > > > > > accessories but non-Muslim people are barred from entering > > > > > > > > > > Mecca and > > > > > > > > > most of > > > > > > > > > > Medina, based on the classical interpretation of an > > > > > > > > > > injunction found > > > > > > > > > in what > > > > > > > > > > Petraeus is fond of calling the Holy > > > > > > > > > > QurÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢an (sura 9:28: > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦"Truly the pagans are > > > > > > > > > > unclean . . . so let them not . . . approach the sacred > > > > > > > > > mosqueÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¯Ã¿Ã½). > > > > > > > > > > I donÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t like book > > > > > > > > > > burning either, but I think there are > > > > > > > > > different kinds of book > > > > > > > > > > burnings. One is done for purposes of censorship > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬" the attempt > > > > > > > > > to purge the > > > > > > > > > > world of every copy of a book to make it as if the > > > > > > > > > > sentiments > > > > > > > > > expressed never > > > > > > > > > > existed. A good modern example is Cambridge University > > > > > > > >PressÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s > > > > > > > > > shameful pulping > > > > > > > > > > of all known copies of Alms for Jihad (see > > > > > > > > > > StanleyÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s 2007 > > > > > > > >post > > > > > > > > > on that). The > > > > > > > > > > other kind of burning is done as symbolic condemnation. > > > > > > > >ThatÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s > > > > > > > > > what I think > > > > > > > > > > Terry Jones was doing. He knows he > > > > > > > > > > doesnÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t have the > > > > > > > >ability to > > > > > > > > > purge the Koran > > > > > > > > > > from the world, and he > > > > > > > > > > wasnÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t trying to. He > > > > > > > > > > was trying > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > condemn some of the > > > > > > > > > > ideas that are in it ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬" or maybe he > > > > > > > > > > really thinks the whole > > > > > > > > > thing is > > > > > > > > > > condemnable. > > > > > > > > > > This is a particularly aggressive and vivid way to express > > > > > > > > > > disdain, > > > > > > > > > but I donÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t > > > > > > > > > > know that it is much different in principle from orally > > > > > > > > > > condemning > > > > > > > > > some of the > > > > > > > > > > KoranÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s suras and > > > > > > > > > > verses. Sura 9 of the Koran, for > > > > > > > >example, > > > > > > > > > states the > > > > > > > > > > supremacist doctrine that commands Muslims to kill and > > > > > > > > > > conquer > > > > > > > > > non-Muslims > > > > > > > > > > (e.g., 9:5: ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦"But when the > > > > > > > > > > forbidden months are past, then > > > > > > > > > fight and slay the > > > > > > > > > > pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer > > > > > > > > > > them, and lie > > > > > > > > > in wait > > > > > > > > > > for them in every stratagem (of war) . . > > > > > > > > > > .ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¯Ã¿Ã½; 9:29: > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦"Fight those who believe not > > > > > > > > > > in Allah nor the last day, nor hold forbidden which hath > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > forbidden by > > > > > > > > > > Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of > > > > > > > > > > Truth, from > > > > > > > > > among the > > > > > > > > > > people of the Book [i.e., the Jews and Christians], until > > > > > > > > > > they pay > > > > > > > > > the jizya > > > > > > > > > > [i.e., the tax paid for the privilege of living as dhimmis > > > > > > > > > > under the > > > > > > > > > protection > > > > > > > > > > of the sharia state] with willing submission, and feel > > > > > > > > > > themselves > > > > > > > > > subduedÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¯Ã¿Ã½). I > > > > > > > > > > must say, IÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ve got a > > > > > > > > > > much bigger problem with the people > > > > > > > > > trying to comply with > > > > > > > > > > those commands than with the guy who burns them. > > > > > > > > > > I think the big problem with what Jones did is the > > > > > > > > > > gratuitous insult > > > > > > > > > to all > > > > > > > > > > Muslims, including the millions who do not subscribe to the > > > > > > > > > > violent > > > > > > > > > jihadist or > > > > > > > > > > broader Islamist construction of Islamic scripture. They > > > > > > > > > > have found > > > > > > > > > some way to > > > > > > > > > > rationalize the incendiary scriptures > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬" and if it works for > > > > > > > > > them, who the hell > > > > > > > > > > am I to say theyÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re > > > > > > > > > > wrong? They are our natural allies in > > > > > > > >this > > > > > > > > > battle, and as > > > > > > > > > > IÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ve often pointed > > > > > > > > > > out, without their help, we could not > > > > > > > >have > > > > > > > > > done things like > > > > > > > > > > infiltrate the Blind > > > > > > > > > > SheikhÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s terror cell, > > > > > > > > > > gather vital > > > > > > > > > intelligence, thwart > > > > > > > > > > terrorist attacks, and refine trial evidence into > > > > > > > > > > compelling proof. > > > > > > > > > > These people regard the Koran as the most important of > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > scriptures. When > > > > > > > > > > someone burns the Koran in an act of indiscriminate, > > > > > > > > > > wholesale > > > > > > > > > condemnation, > > > > > > > > > > the message to them is that their belief system is > > > > > > > > > > incorrigible. > > > > > > > > > Freedom of > > > > > > > > > > speech means that we have to allow that argument to be > > > > > > > > > > made, and > > > > > > > > > IÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢m not > > > > > > > > > > entirely sure itÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s > > > > > > > > > > wrong. But good Muslim people give us > > > > > > > > > reason to hope that > > > > > > > > > > what ails Islam can be reformed. I > > > > > > > > > > donÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t see the upside > > > > > > > >in > > > > > > > > > alienating those > > > > > > > > > > people. I think you can condemn the condemnable aspects of > > > > > > > > > > the Koran > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > condemning everything. But > > > > > > > > > > thatÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s just my > > > > > > > > > > opinion, and > > > > > > > >Mr. > > > > > > > > > Jones is as entitled > > > > > > > > > > to his as I am to mine. And for what > > > > > > > > > > itÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s worth, I doubt > > > > > > > >my > > > > > > > > > opinion would be > > > > > > > > > > much more popular than his in Mazar-e-Sharif. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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