Padahal si Teddy itu ga berani bilang apa agamanya saking pengecutnya, bisa2nya dia bilang orang lain sbg pengecut.
>________________________________ > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.peda...@yahoo.com> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:35 AM >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy bangsat itu, >katanya, tidak peduli..) > > > > >Persis kayak Roman Proteus yang sedeng: item abu, katanya, adalah pengecut... > >Makin jelas bahwa memang banyak persamaan antara Teddy ini dengan orang Islam >disini... > >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@...> wrote: >> >> Pengecut!!! (ala film-film Amerika dengan diiringi nada-nada dari lagu >> kebangsaan Perancis, La Marseillaise). >> >> >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> > >> > Hehehe ... gua sih ga heran kalo si Teddy bisa galak dan buas kalo ngebela >> > kepentingannya sendiri. Anjing jg bisa galak kalo tulangnya mau diambil >> > anjing lain. >> > >> > Tp si Teddy ini lebih rendah dr anjing krn ga tau malu padahal anjing itu >> > mash tahu malu. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >________________________________ >> > > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> >> > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> > >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:00 AM >> > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy bangsat itu, >> > >katanya, tidak peduli..) >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >Apakah pejabat tersebut menyadarinya? Itu perbuatan yang sama sia-sianya >> > >dengan membenturkan kepala sendiri ke tembok. Saat saya dulu berurusan >> > >dengan pawai Pemilu Partai Golkar, rombongan tersebut saya kejar hingga >> > >ke markas mereka di Menteng, Jakarta. Saya temui kepala rombongan mereka, >> > >saya jelaskan masalahnya dan saya tuntut permohonan maaf dengan >> > >memberikan nama dan alamat di mana sang kepala rombongan berjanji untuk >> > >mengirim orang ke rumah. Itu contoh yang langsung bisa dirasakan pejabat >> > >terkait. Protege anda ini luar biasa pengecutnya. >> > > >> > >Satu hal, saya di sini bekerja dan bisa dikatakan kontribusi saya >> > >melebihi semua fasilitas yang kami terima. Sebetulnya saya lebih >> > >menghendaki sistem perpajakan seperti di AS berlaku di Australia di mana >> > >potongan pajak jauh lebih rendah. >> > > >> > >Simpan kata-kata busuk anda bagi orang-orang yang ongkang-ongkang kaki >> > >tanpa bekerja dengan memanfaatkan uang pajak orang banyak. >> > > >> > >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Pertama: menolak undangan bedebah, seerti yagn dilakukan item abu itu >> > >> artinya tidak berdiam diri dihadapan kejahatan yang dilakukan bedebah >> > >> itu. >> > >> >> > >> Kedua: sepanjang yang menyangkut kegiatan saya sejak tahun 1972 hingga >> > >> Orde Naru jatuh, saya bisa bilang, disamping mendiang Ernst Utrecht dan >> > >> sahabat saya Lim, saya adalah orang Indonesia yang dari negeri Belanda >> > >> yang ikut mendukung usaha orang di Indonesia menjatuhkan Orde Baru. >> > >> >> > >> Saya tidak sekedar bersenang-senang di negeri orang menikmati jaminan >> > >> sosial dan jaminan ksehatan yagn aduhai seperti anda yagn adalah >> > >> manusia oportunis yang bertabiat busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > Ha ha ha. >> > >> > >> > >> > Tidak datang memenuhi undangan dan membenturkan kepala sendiri ke >> > >> > tembok itu sama-sama tak ada artinya. >> > >> > >> > >> > Coba anda bercermin diri dan melihat apakah ada perubahan besar yang >> > >> > telah terjadi di Indonesia yang merupakan hasil "perjuangan" anda >> > >> > selama ini? >> > >> > >> > >> > Di sini semuanya tidak gratis dan malahan saya masih menyumbang orang >> > >> > lain. Sementara ada cukup banyak yang menjadi 'dole bludgers' yang >> > >> > sebagiannya enak-enak berselancar tiap harinya. Anda kira orang-orang >> > >> > ini pantas menerima santunan? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > "item abu" menyatakan pendapatnya dengan tidak datang memenuhi >> > >> > > undangan yang disampaikan kepadanya.. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Ini satu. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Yagn kedua: anda itu oportunis busuk, nisgtfa lagi menjijikkan >> > >> > > karena anda enak-enak hidup di negeri yang punya jaminan sosial dan >> > >> > > jaminan kesehatan yagn aduhai, hasil perjuangan orang yang peduli >> > >> > > akan kesenjangan sosial, lalua nda bicara tentang mobil mewah dan >> > >> > > anda tidak peduli dengan kejahatan yang dilakukan oleh para bedebah >> > >> > > yang menjarah khasanah negara Indonsia - sembari merek menghina >> > >> > > korban jarahannnnya yang jadi melarat dengan petatagng petiting >> > >> > > dengan mobil mewah hasil jarahannya. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Anda itu betulk-betul adalah bangsat oppotunis busuk, nista lagi >> > >> > > menjijikkan. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > Tidak usah jauh-jauh, tuh protege satu-satunya kebanggan anda >> > >> > > > tidak berani mengungkapkan pendapatnya sendiri pada tetangga yang >> > >> > > > tinggal di depan rumahnya. Itu yang jelas-jelas langkah yang >> > >> > > > merupakan feedback langsung dan mungkin, ini sih masih mungkin >> > >> > > > bisa memberikan perubahan. >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > Apa haknya saya mencampuri yang bukan wewenang saya karena mereka >> > >> > > > tidak mewakili saya? Anda mau mencampuri, maka itu urusan anda >> > >> > > > sendiri. >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > Saya membayar restribusi untuk semua fasilitas yang saya dan ibu >> > >> > > > saya terima di Australia. Kalau dihitung hingga dengan sen-sen >> > >> > > > yang dikeluarkan, maka kontribusi saya selama ini masih lebih >> > >> > > > banyak daripada nilai fasilitas yang didapat. Jadi ini tidak >> > >> > > > gratis dan saya malah menyumbang untuk orang lain selama ini. >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > Jadi fasilitas ini tidak gratis dan saya membayar penuh. >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> >> > >> > > > wrote: >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > Betul-betul bajingan tengik. >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > Betul-betul bangsat keparat. >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > Betul-betul manusia oportunis bertabiat busuk, nista lagi >> > >> > > > > menjijikkan. >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > Bukan urusannya, katanya, pejabat Indonesia menjarah khasanah >> > >> > > > > negara Indonesia dan menjadikan Indonesia dedel duwel lalu >> > >> > > > > menghina korban jarahannnya yang dimelaratkannnya sembari >> > >> > > > > petatang petiting pamer mobil mewah dan pamer kekayaan.. >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > Saat dia, Teddy, menikmati jaminan kesehatan yang aduhai di >> > >> > > > > Austrlia, hasil perjuangan orang Australia yang seperti item >> > >> > > > > abu peduli terhadap kesenjangan sosial. >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > Selanjutnya: tidak peduli dengan adanya kejahatan yang >> > >> > > > > dilakukan pejabat bedebah di Indonesia itu hakekatnya berpihak >> > >> > > > > kepada pejabat penjahat itu. >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Ada perbedaan besar antara berfihak dan tidak peduli. >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" >> > >> > > > > > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Asyik... >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Sekarang Teddy berpihak kepada penguasa bedebah di >> > >> > > > > > > Indonesia yang petatang petiting pamer hasil jarahan >> > >> > > > > > > mereka... >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Dan di Indonesia mobil mahal itu adalah sinonim dengan >> > >> > > > > > > mobil mewah... >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Gawat, si belegug ini kagak bisa menyimak. >> > >> > > > > > > > Lu jelas-jelas terobsesi dengan mobil-mobil mewah di mana >> > >> > > > > > > > lu punya definisi sendiri untuk yang namanya mobil-mobil >> > >> > > > > > > > mewah. Buat lu asal harganya relatif mahal, maka itu >> > >> > > > > > > > pastilah mobil mewah. Padahal mobil-mobil pejabat yang lu >> > >> > > > > > > > recokin itu tidak termasuk kategori mobil-mobil mewah >> > >> > > > > > > > dalam definisi standar seperti yang disebutkan dalam >> > >> > > > > > > > WIKIPEDIA. >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Gua dalam hal ini tidak terlibat. Hak sang pejabat untuk >> > >> > > > > > > > punya mobil apapun juga. Gua sih sama sekali tidak >> > >> > > > > > > > peduli karena bukan urusan gua. >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> >> > >> > > > > > > > wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Hehehe.. si keparat Teddy ini muter2 lidah dan nambah >> > >> > > > > > > > > dosanya dgn bikin fitnah baru. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Gua cuma minta si Teddy ngebuktikan ocehannya sendiri, >> > >> > > > > > > > > lalu si Teddy ngoceh seolah2 gua pernah ngelarang dia >> > >> > > > > > > > > make duitnya sendiri. Kapan tuh gua pernah ngelarang si >> > >> > > > > > > > > Teddy make duitnya sendiri sesuka hatinya? Yg gua >> > >> > > > > > > > > bilang adalah si Teddy adalah bajingan rakus dan >> > >> > > > > > > > > serakah, bajingan yg ga peduli dgn orang lain, bukan >> > >> > > > > > > > > ngelarang si Teddy make duit sesuka hatinya. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Udah jelas si Teddy ini ga bisa ngebuktikan ocehannya, >> > >> > > > > > > > > tp dasar bajingan ga tau malu, dia msh ga mau ngaku bhw >> > >> > > > > > > > > mulutnya adalah lobang taik, padahal dia sendiri yg >> > >> > > > > > > > > bilang kalo orang ga bisa ngebuktikan omongannya, maka >> > >> > > > > > > > > ybs itu bermulut lobang taik. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Emang tuh, dr mulut anjing ga akan tumbuh gading. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >________________________________ >> > >> > > > > > > > > > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> > >> > > > > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:03 AM >> > >> > > > > > > > > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >Gua kagak pernah secara explisit menyebut mobil-mobil >> > >> > > > > > > > > >mewah seperti yang lu lakukan. Peduli amat dengan >> > >> > > > > > > > > >orang-orang yang memilikinya, karena itu urusan >> > >> > > > > > > > > >pribadi orang. Hak orang untuk punya dan yang pasti >> > >> > > > > > > > > >duitnya bukan dari lu. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> Dan lu kaing2 gua terobsesi oleh mobil mewah. Dasar >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> mulut lobang taik lu ini. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >________________________________ >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 4:45 AM >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >Terjemahan dari google karena takutnya kesulitan >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >menterjemahkan: >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> Ada mobil ultra-tinggi kinerja dari "merek >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> eksotis" yang juga melebihi US $ 100.000, tetapi >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> belum tentu dikategorikan sebagai mobil mewah, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> seperti sebagai mobil sport dari Ferrari, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> Lamborghini dan Porsche, meskipun Porsche >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> Panamera bersaing dalam kemewahan high-end / >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> ukuran penuh kategori mewah. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> ><teddyr@> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Sudah terbukti anda yang dungu tapi tidak mau >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> langsung mengaku dan orang yang berotak busuk, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> nista lagi menjijikan adalah orang yang >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> fikiran-fikirannya saling bertentangan dan hanya >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> mementingkan glorifikasi pribadi sendiri. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Baca dengan cermat DEFINISI mobil mewah di mana >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> unsur HARGA bukanlah satu-satunya kriteria. Semua >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> orang normal akan tahu bahwa Ferrari itu merk >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> sebuah mobil sport. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Kalau memang anda cermerlang tentunya anda akan >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> mampu merubah definisi yang diberikan WIKIPEDIA >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> hingga WIKIPEDIA mau meralat dan memasukan >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Ferrari sebagai salah satu mobil yang termasuk >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> dalam klasifikasi mobil mewah. Saya tantang anda >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> untuk melakukan hal itu terhadap WIKIPEDIA. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Sekali lagi untuk yang diragukan apakah mereka >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> punya mata atau cuma baso doang. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exotic brands" that also exceed US$100,000, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > but would not necessarily be categorized as >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the sports cars >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > although the Porsche Panamera does compete in >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the high-end luxury/full-size luxury category. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > Saya kutip, tanpa komentar karena begitu jelas >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > dungunya, referensi Teddy yang >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > adalah manusia oportunis berotak busuk, nista >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > lagi menjijikkan ini tentang mobil mewah: >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > "Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan Ferrari TIDAK >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > termasuk kedalam kelas mobil >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > mewah, walau harganya sendiri relatif mahal. " >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > <teddyr@> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Aneh bin ajaib kalau ada orang yang merasa >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dirinya demikian pintar dan rajin menggugel >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dalam hal-hal lain, tapi masih ngotot dengan >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > definisinya sendiri atas "mobil-mobil mewah". >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mumpung masih pagi dan ada sedikit waktu, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > jadi bolehlah sedikit berbelas kasihan >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > meluangkan waktu untuk membantu membuka mata. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > --- >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury vehicle is a marketing term for a >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicle that provides luxury â€" >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > pleasant or desirable features beyond strict >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > necessityâ€"at increased expense >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (see: definition of luxury). The term >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > suggests a vehicle with greater equipment, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > performance, construction precision, comfort, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > design ingenuity, technological innovation, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > or features that convey brand image, cachet, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > status, or prestigeâ€"or any other >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > discretionary feature or combination of >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > features. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury market segments >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compact segment >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The premium compact segment[clarification >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > needed] or small-luxury class is relatively >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > new, having been initiated by several >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > European brands in the mid-2000s, and >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > constitute the least expensive offerings in >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > their lineups. These cars are targeted at a >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > niche market of young customers who have a >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > more refined taste in their automobiles and >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the means to pay for them.[citation needed] >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > By offering a smaller, lighter, more >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > fuel-efficient, and less expensive vehicle, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > this serves to introduce a younger customer >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to the luxury marque, in hopes of retaining >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the coveted customer loyalty.[citation >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > needed] This includes the Audi A3, BMW 1 >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Series, Lexus CT, and Mercedes-Benz B-Class. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compacts may share components with >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mass market cars from the marque's parent >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > company (the A3), and/or have less >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sophisticated platforms compared to upmarket >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicles in the lineup (such as the B-Class). >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The body style tends to be a hatchback or >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > compact wagon, previously associated with >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > economy cars but regaining popularity in the >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > United States for its afforded utility. The >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury branding and style, high-quality >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > interior materials, wide range of convenience >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > features, and performance powertrains are key >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to distinguishing them from mass market >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > equivalents (one mistake made by the Cadillac >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Cimarron) and making these appeal to >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > consumers. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The classification varies, for instance >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Consumer Guide Automotive in the US considers >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Audi A3 and A4 as part of the premium >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > compact segment due to similar size and MSRP, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > though these are known in Europe as a small >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > family car and a compact executive car, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > respectively. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Entry-level luxury/compact executive cars >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The entry-level luxury category is also known >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as the compact executive car in Britain and >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (Mittelklasse in German). In the US, this >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > segment mostly includes the bottom vehicles >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the line-up of luxury brands as well as >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the top-of-the-line models of some non-luxury >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > brands. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Dimensionally, compact executive cars are >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > smaller than mid-size/large family cars, and >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sometimes even smaller than compact cars. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mass market compact cars typically use the >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > economical front wheel drive transverse >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engine layout, well suited to the inline-4 >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engine, which also maximizes interior room. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Several compact executive cars are rear-wheel >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > drive with longitudinal engines, for improved >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > stability and handling, and in order to >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > accommodate the larger size of >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > higher-performance engines (straight-6, V6, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > rarely V8), with four-wheel drive often being >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > available. Compact executive cars also tend >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > have more complicated independent >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > suspensions, sportier transmissions, and high >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > revolution engines that may require premium >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > gasoline. The more complex powertrain and >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mechanical layouts of compact executive cars >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > comes at increased cost and reduced interior >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > passenger and trunk space. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Compact executive cars include the Volvo S60, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Acura TSX, Lexus IS, BMW 3 Series, Audi A4, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Mercedes-Benz C-Class which particularly >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > emphasize sporty handling. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Other vehicles such as the Lexus ES, Acura >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > TL, Chrysler 300, and Buick LaCrosse are also >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considered entry-level luxury in the United >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > States and Canada, being similar in price to >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the BMW 3 Series and Mercedes-Benz C-Class. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > However, the ES, TL, and LaCrosse are not >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sold in Europe and do not fall under European >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury classifications. The ES and TL >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > actually began as badge engineered versions >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > of the midsize Toyota Camry and Honda Accord, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > respectively, retaining the front wheel drive >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > transverse engine layout, whereas Toyota's >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > current Lexus IS does not share a platform >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > with mass market Toyota cars. The ES and TL >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are not considered executive cars either, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > despite similar dimensions, since executive >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars usually emphasize higher performance, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > often being rear-wheel drive with >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > longitudinal engines. The present iterations >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > of the ES and LaCrosse emphasize >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "comfortable, reasonably priced luxury", >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > while the TL has recently been targeted at >> > the entry-level >> > >> > > > > > > > > luxury >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> sport market. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Recently, the entry-level luxury has been >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > very competitive, and there has been >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > price-overlapping with well-equipped >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > non-luxury cars. The bestselling vehicles of >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the marque are frequently compact executive >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars, such as the BMW 3 Series that makes up >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 40% of the vehicles that BMW sells worldwide. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mid-luxury/executive cars >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The mid-luxury segment are commonly referred >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to as executive cars in Britain, Obere >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mittelklasse in German, and Grandes >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > RoutiÃÆ'¨res in French. Examples include >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Volvo S80, BMW 5 Series, Mercedes-Benz >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > E-Class, and Jaguar XF >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Although having similar dimensions to >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-size cars and large family cars, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars are engineered and positioned >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as premium vehicles with better performance >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and technology amenities. There are also >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > higher development and production costs, as >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > many well-known mid-luxury cars use the >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > longitudinal (usually front engine rear wheel >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > drive layout) engine mounting which affords >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > space for powerful engines such as a V8, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > instead of the more economical transverse >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engine layout of mass market cars which are >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > restricted to inline-4 or V6. Executive cars >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > usually have lower sales and production >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > volumes compared to mid-size cars and large >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > family cars, as base trims with less >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > equipment and smaller engines are not sold in >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > U.S. and Canadian markets. Also due to the >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > problem of steep depreciation, especially >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > concerning cars from less prestigious brands, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > most executive cars are produced by marques >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > that specialize in larger/more expensive >> > vehicles. Particularly in >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> the United States, the mid-luxury segment is >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> dominated by Mercedes-Benz and BMW, as executive >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> cars from lesser-known manufacturers such as >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> CitroÃÆ'«n and Infiniti have not had much >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> success. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this segment include the >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-range models of several luxury car >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > manufacturers. There are also some flagship >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sedans in this segment, such as the Acura RL >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Infiniti M. Executive cars such as the >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > BMW 5 Series are crucial to a luxury >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > automaker's bottom line, and although not the >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > highest-selling model, they generate a >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > significant amount of profits due to the >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lucrative technology options. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > High-end luxury/full-size luxury cars >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Also known as full-size luxury cars, grand >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > saloons, or premium large cars, while >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "Oberklasse" is used in Germany. Many of >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > these are the marque's showcases for the >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > newest automotive technology. Several >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > nameplates also offer long-wheelbase versions >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > that offer additional rear legroom and >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > amenities. Full-size luxury cars sold in >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Canada and the U.S. typically have >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-displacement V8 engines, though recently >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > some marques have offered six cylinder >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > powerplants but without much success. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this category include some of the >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > models from the flagship lines of luxury car >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > brands. Examples include the Audi A8, BMW 7 >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Series, Jaguar XJ, Lexus LS, Mercedes-Benz >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, and in the US, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Lincoln Town Car and Cadillac DTS. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Ultra-luxury cars >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > R.L. Polk and Company, a global automotive >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > information and marketing firm that provides >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > solutions to automotive and related >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > industries, has defined the term "super >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury" segment for luxury cars costing more >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > than US$100,000. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > This bracket includes the entire lineup of >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls Royce, Bentley, Aston Martin, Maybach, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Maserati, as these marques do not offer >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lower-priced offerings in the entry-level >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury or mid-luxury segments like more >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mainstream luxury brands like BMW and >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls Royce and Bentley have attempted to >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > move downmarket somewhat with offerings >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > priced considerably lower than their >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > traditional offerings (Rolls Royce Phantom >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Bentley Mulsanne) such as the Rolls Royce >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Ghost and the Bentley Continental GT, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > creating what Car and Driver describes as the >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "entry-opulent segment". Bentley, Maybach, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Rolls-Royce vehicles share platforms and >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines with other luxury brands from their >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > parent auto company, however Rolls-Royce and >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Bentley are assembled in England (separate >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from the rest of BMW and Volkswagen Group's >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > production plants) and this "exclusivity" has >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > made these British marques a sales success. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > By comparison, Maybachs are built alongside >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Mercedes-Benz S-Class flagship sedan >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > which has explained why it has not fared well >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the market, furthermore the Maybach's >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > pedigree was virtually unknown outside of >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Germany unlike its British rivals which have >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > long enjoyed renown worldwide. A >> > Bentley executive was >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> quoted as saying "that the brand's exclusivity, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> history and obsessive luxury help to convince >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> customers that a Bentley is worth the price" which >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> is at least twice that of a flagship luxury car from >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> BMW or Mercedes-Benz. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The top-performing variants of flagship cars >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from Audi, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz are often >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > included here as well. They often have >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 12-cylinder (usually V12) engines for great >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > refinement and smoothness, even though >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > contemporary V8 engines can make similar >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > output while being less expensive. While BMW >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sells far fewer V12-engined 7-Series vehicles >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > than V8 versions, the V12 retains popularity >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the US, China, and Russia, as well as >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > maintaining the marque's prestige in the >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury vehicle market segment. These >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > ultra-luxury trims also feature standard >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury and technology features that would be >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considered optional on their V8 siblings. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exotic brands" that also exceed US$100,000, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > but would not necessarily be categorized as >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the sports cars >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > although the Porsche Panamera does compete in >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the high-end luxury/full-size luxury category. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > --- >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Jadi berdasarkan informasi yang diberikan >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > oleh WIKIPEDIA, Toyota bukanlah merk mobil >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mewah (baca lagi definisinya di atas) untuk >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > kelas mobil mewah Toyota punya merk sendiri, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > yaitu L.... (cari sendiri jawabnya, jangan >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mau disuapin aja). >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Berdasarkan pernyataan WIKIPEDIA pada >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_vehicle: >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exotic brands" that also exceed US$100,000, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > but would not necessarily be categorized as >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the sports cars >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > although the Porsche Panamera does compete in >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the high-end luxury/full-size luxury category. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan Ferrari TIDAK >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > termasuk kedalam kelas mobil mewah, walau >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > harganya sendiri relatif mahal. Saat dulu >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > berdiskusi dengan johny, kami sedang >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > memperbincangkan kenikmatan berkendaraan >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dengan akselerasi tinggi, bukannya >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > memperbincangkan mobil mewah. Baca lagi itu >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > tulisan. 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