my P99 is very stable 1.4G P4 1G ram W2k no anti virus, no norton, lots of other programs
Dennis Saputelli Tony Karavidas wrote: > > Jason, you crack me up. First you complain about bugs in Protel, then you > say it's your IT guy's problem because he wants to patch the OS even when > there is no visible problem. Patches == Bug fixes. You think all bugs are > "visible?" Think again buddy. There are security holes, reliability issues, > etc that may be hiding for months or years before the right set of > conditions "expose" them. You don't want those fixed?? > > My P99 is also quite stable. I've said before on this list that I can't > remember the last time it crashed. I don't do boards quite as large as you > it seems, but I've done some pretty big ones before. > > Why don't you rip up some key aspects of your design and post it somewhere > for download so other's could see if they get the same crash with your > board. (providing the part you ripped up didn't have an effect). Take off a > dozen components and a dozen nets and see if you still get the crash. If > you do, would you feel confident that "we" could see your board without > actually having anything of IP value? > > Tony > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jason Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 5:03 AM > > To: 'Protel EDA Forum' > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel's Good/Bad points (WAS:Using 3D) > > > > > > <SNIP A LOT> > > > > Michael, > > > > First lets get something straight, I take offence at your questioning my > > competence with Protel, I've been using it for a very long time and am > > familiar with all of its usual weird behaviours (even though they > > are still > > unacceptable) > > > > The only reason we are using it at all, and not the latest Orcad (which we > > also have and use) is down to my experience with Protel. > > > > Protel crashes, its protel's fault (even you admit that). As for > > not using > > the bits that crash, I find the inability to print, save or load a file a > > bit of an inconvenience. And as for missing and misplaced entities on > > plots, well > > that's to be expected these days.... nothings perfect. > > > > Ok, yes I admit its got much better (so far as features go) since P98, but > > at the expense of repeatable stability. > > > > ---------(A bit of background - you don't need to read this bit) > > Our first dedicated cad machine was a 1GHz P4 with 1G RAM, it *ONLY* runs > > Protel and win2K. > > > > We bought this as protel was pausing for more than 30 seconds per pin as a > > result of an edit of through hole components, it was also crashing many > > times a day. EDA UK confirmed both these bugs and passed our design to > > Protel for investigation. > > > > It seems that the crashing is usually down to known problems when > > you have a > > very large design >1000 components, many polys (these are the killer) and > > many tracks on a mixed through hole / smt design. The other > > problem is down > > to a bug with the on-line poly repour it seems to take ages when > > you have a > > large number of polys. > > > > All we do know is that an 1 hours lost work of one of our engineers costs > > more than an extra gig of ram. > > > > A newer machine was bought for a 2nd engineer. This is a dual processor > > 1.7GHz P4 with 1.5G RAM (at the time the fastest we could sensibly afford) > > > > Initially on the new machine all printing activity from within > > Protel would > > cause a crash, from experience we know that protel is very sensitive to > > graphics cards (surely not the fault of protel), so changing it > > sorted some > > of the crashes (its now the same as the first machine) > > ---------------------------- > > > > > > Protel still crashes, so what's going on? Probably a fault of the IT guy > > who (despite my advice) wants lots of patches installed under > > windows, even > > if there is no visible problem, anyway that's his problem..... > > > > So where am I going? > > > > Ah yes, Michael, as you machine seems to be so stable, perhaps you could > > tell > > everyone its build as its seems you've got it right. > > > > > > > > > > J. > > -- ___________________________________________________________________________ www.integratedcontrolsinc.com Integrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-0480 2851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003 San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
