I think we are all in the same boat here and trying to learn pro tools with VoiceOver isn't straightforward and can be frustrating at times for all of us. I read this forum every day and pick up hints and tips and maybe when I'm a bit more clued up I'll be able to help others too but in the meantime what I've read here is gold and frankly without it I'd be struggling at college but as it is I'm managing nicely. So, if there is something you know that someone else doesn't then help them and at some point someone will help you in return. In short, we are all on the same team effectively so lets keep it that way and we'll all benefit and become pro tools ninjas in the end.
Cheers, Alan, Oban, Scotland Sent from my iPhone > On 2 May 2014, at 16:49, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <clgillan...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > If you'd rather not reply, suit yourself. > > It doesn't bother me. There are plenty of others who I know will be happy to > help. You not responding doesn't offend me, if you feel it's better. I > respect your decision. Smile. > > Chris. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" <csma...@cogeco.ca> > To: <ptaccess@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 11:32 AM > Subject: Re: A few more advanced ProTools Questions > > >> I'll save us the bother and not reply in future. >> I'm not sure what use a counter that only goes as fine as minute or hour >> increments would be for recording but ok ... >> >> At 11:20 AM 5/2/2014, you wrote: >>> I think what I meant was I didn't realize that you specified both. I >>> didn't realize that when on bars and beats you specified both. I thought >>> it was an absolute bar value. In other words, I thought that you only >>> could say 3 bars. I didn't realize you could say 3 bars, 2 beats. Same >>> goes with hours, minutes, seconds. I was under the impression you only >>> could specify an exact value. I didn't realize it was flexible enough to >>> say 1 minute 30 seconds. I thought you'd have to round the seconds up or >>> down to the nearest minute, and only could specify a min value, not a >>> second value as well. I thought it had to either be 1 minute, or 2 >>> minutes, it couldn't be 1:30. So I was asking with that assumption, which >>> now I know was incorrect, what the different values would represent. Would >>> it be an absolute minute, or would I specify in seconds. Again, now I see >>> it's both. >>> >>> Frankly, your terse comments really are not amusing to me! I was really >>> trying to ask for help, and the whole quote: minutes and seconds are... >>> well? um... minutes and seconds, was extremely uncalled for! I was just >>> asking for help, you don't have to be such a smart-butt about it. >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" <csma...@cogeco.ca> >>> To: <ptaccess@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 10:57 AM >>> Subject: Re: A few more advanced ProTools Questions >>> >>> >>>> You lost me there. minutes represents minutes! Seconds represents, well, >>>> seconds. >>>> >>>> >>>> At 01:29 AM 5/2/2014, you wrote: >>>>> Shruggs, >>>>> >>>>> That's not what I meant. I meant what does the numerical values >>>>> represent? In beats/bars it obviously represents bars. In hour minute >>>>> seconds, what is it representing?... Seconds? Minutes? or what? >>>>> >>>>> Chris. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" <csma...@cogeco.ca> >>>>> To: <ptaccess@googlegroups.com> >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 12:46 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: A few more advanced ProTools Questions >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> well, how long do you need to get ready to play? >>>>>> >>>>>> If you want to convert between bars/beats and minutes/seconds, that >>>>>> obviously depends on the tempo of your tune. >>>>>> At 12:43 AM 5/2/2014, you wrote: >>>>>>> Slau, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, you said with the pre-roll how many bars? How do I calculate if >>>>>>> I'm doing hours minutes seconds frames, instead of bars, beats, ticks? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: <mailto:slauhala...@gmail.com>Slau Halatyn >>>>>>> To: <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>ptaccess@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 12:06 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: A few more advanced ProTools Questions >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OK, since your keyboard is across the room, you're going to need enough >>>>>>> pre roll to be able to press record, walk over to your mic, put on >>>>>>> headphones and get ready to sing. How many bars do you think that'll >>>>>>> be? 8? 10? Whatever you think it should be, type that number into the >>>>>>> Pre roll field. The Post roll value doesn't matter as much because who >>>>>>> cares how long the song continues playing after you've finished the >>>>>>> record pass. If the pre roll value is 0, you'll have no pre roll and >>>>>>> you'll be recording as soon as you press Command-space bar. The purpose >>>>>>> of the pre roll is to get a running start, figuratively and, in your >>>>>>> case, literally. >>>>>>>> On May 1, 2014, at 11:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>>>>>>> <<mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, I'm confused. What do the pre and post roll values do/indicate, >>>>>>>> if not 0, how do I determine what they should be set to, or does it >>>>>>>> really not honest matter. Just pick a random number so's long as it >>>>>>>> isn't 0. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: <mailto:slauhala...@gmail.com>Slau Halatyn >>>>>>>> To: <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>ptaccess@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 11:42 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: A few more advanced ProTools Questions >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You specifically asked for step-by-step instructions and, when you >>>>>>>> request something like that, it's going to sound complicated. It's not. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. Select a range within which you wish to record. >>>>>>>> 2.Enable Pre/Post roll with Command-k and make sure that the pre and >>>>>>>> post roll values in the Transport window are set to something other >>>>>>>> than zero. >>>>>>>> 3. Record. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's rather simple. Another alternative is to buy a USB extension >>>>>>>> cable and keep your keyboard close. Punch in by simply pressing >>>>>>>> Command-Space bar where you wish to record. Hit space bar to stop. You >>>>>>>> don't even have to be in Pre/Post roll to do that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Slau >>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2014, at 9:48 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>>>>>>>> <<mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Slau, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This isn't you at all, you did an excellent job explaining, but I >>>>>>>>> must admit, you went way over my head! I know you do audio stuff for >>>>>>>>> a living, so it's not gonna be quick, but I'm in no hurry. Would you >>>>>>>>> be willing to make me an audio demonstration of how this works? I'm >>>>>>>>> sorry, but via text, this just isn't making sense at all. It's not >>>>>>>>> your falt, It's just that it seems this is a very hard concept to >>>>>>>>> grasp via text. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I thought it would be more easy than this, like select the portion of >>>>>>>>> audio you want to record, then toggle on punch in, arm the track, hit >>>>>>>>> record, and you're done. It seem like there is way more to it than >>>>>>>>> that though. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wasn't there something like, num pad 4, or was it 6 to turn on punch >>>>>>>>> in, or is this about the easiest way to do it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: <mailto:slauhala...@gmail.com>Slau Halatyn >>>>>>>>> To: <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>ptaccess@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 8:36 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: A few more advanced ProTools Questions >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chris, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Go to the Transport window. >>>>>>>>> Click once on the Pre-roll amount. Assuming you're in bars and beats, >>>>>>>>> type the number 1 and press return. The Pre-roll amount will be one >>>>>>>>> bar and Pre-roll will automatically be enabled. The button appears to >>>>>>>>> the left of the numeric field you just entered. >>>>>>>>> Move down to the Post-roll field and follow the same steps. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now that Pre and Post roll are enabled, I'd recommend temporarily >>>>>>>>> turning them off with Command-k. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Go to the bar/beat where you wish to punch in. Select the range of >>>>>>>>> bars and/or beats you wish to record. Once you've made your >>>>>>>>> selection, press Command-k to enable Pre/Post roll. If you press >>>>>>>>> record, you'll hear one bar before your selected range as pre-roll >>>>>>>>> and you'll only be in record from the selection point. Pro Tools will >>>>>>>>> record through the selection and exit record mode for the final bar >>>>>>>>> of post roll. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you want two bars of pre-roll, obviously, substitute 2 for 1 when >>>>>>>>> typing in the pre-roll value. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here's a tip: don't forget to turn off Pre/Post roll when you're done >>>>>>>>> with your punch-in. When you try to navigate and get to a particular >>>>>>>>> bar, I guarantee it'll confuse you when you hear the music from the >>>>>>>>> previous bar and you'll swear that you thought you meant to go to bar >>>>>>>>> 41 and you'll be hearing bar 40 and all the while it'll be because >>>>>>>>> you actually are at bar 41 but pre-roll is causing you to hear bar 40 >>>>>>>>> first. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'll let someone else take the other questions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Slau >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2014, at 6:48 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> OK, I do understand that there are quite a few questions here, but >>>>>>>>>> any help would be appreciated with any of these. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> First of all, I'd like to talk about punch in/punch outs. Sometimes, >>>>>>>>>> I'll be recording a vocal track, be it lead, or backing, and I may >>>>>>>>>> hit a line a little flat, or a little sharp. More times than not, >>>>>>>>>> flat. Sometimes, it's in a part of the song which makes it very >>>>>>>>>> tricky to get kuh boom right on key with no lead-in warning. Yeah, >>>>>>>>>> I totally get I could then just back up a ways and record a little >>>>>>>>>> more than needed just for some wiggle room, but why do that if the >>>>>>>>>> part right before sounds flawless? I don't want to chance ruinning >>>>>>>>>> a perfectly good measure just to get the bar after it sounding good. >>>>>>>>>> That just seems a little over kill. Yeah, I know about the playlist >>>>>>>>>> option in the edit window on each track, and yes I know about >>>>>>>>>> comping. I confess I don't do it much, but I think I'm gonna start >>>>>>>>>> getting myself more in the habbit of it. If I want a pollished >>>>>>>>>> recording, then face it, sometimes you have to do the more dirty >>>>>>>>>> tedious work, but in the long run, it's well worth it. Anyway, so >>>>>>>>>> what I'd like to do is a punch in/out. This is just an example. It >>>>>>>>>> doesn't mean it's the song I'm working with, but it's one that I >>>>>>>>>> know must people know, so it'll make my point really well. Let's >>>>>>>>>> take the song Take it Easy by The Eagles. I, natrually am really >>>>>>>>>> not a tennor. I kind of, ish, can do it, but not real well. So >>>>>>>>>> let's take the chorus. Take it easy, take it easy! Don't let the >>>>>>>>>> sound of your own words drive you crazy. Lighten up while you still >>>>>>>>>> can. Let's say I'm in the key of G. This means on lighten up, when >>>>>>>>>> I hit that C chord, my voice has to hit that G4. So, basically, the >>>>>>>>>> G above middle C. For me, that's way stretching it! I can do it, >>>>>>>>>> but it's a major struggle. Notice, I said struggle, I did not say >>>>>>>>>> strain. I'm not straining to hit it, trust me. I can hit it, just >>>>>>>>>> not very full strength usually, at least not on the first try. I >>>>>>>>>> usually have to do it a few times to warm/loosen up. So, what I'm >>>>>>>>>> thinking is, if I had a way I could start playing the session right >>>>>>>>>> where my vocals say Don't let the sound of your own words drive you >>>>>>>>>> crazy... I could sing along with that part, not recording, then as >>>>>>>>>> soon as I get past that, have the record engage automatically, let >>>>>>>>>> me then keep singing seemlessly, lighten up while you still can, >>>>>>>>>> don't even try to understand, just find a place to take your stand, >>>>>>>>>> and take it easy. After that, have the record disengage all by >>>>>>>>>> itself. My mike isn't near enough to my workstation that I can have >>>>>>>>>> my hands on the keyboard, nor is it easy for me to hit that line >>>>>>>>>> with no prior warning to lead up to it. I just feel I need to >>>>>>>>>> easily work my way into it. So yeah, if this can be done, please >>>>>>>>>> tell me literally step by step, keystroke by keystroke what I'd hit >>>>>>>>>> to do it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My second question is, let's say I'm doing a slow country song, and >>>>>>>>>> at the very end, the last two or three bars need to be slower tempo, >>>>>>>>>> giving me a ending retard kind of effect. If you wonder what I'm >>>>>>>>>> talking about, listen, for instance to the end of Every Light in the >>>>>>>>>> House is on by Trace Adkins. That's a perfect! example! So, I know >>>>>>>>>> in the event, tempo operations window, how to go to constant, and >>>>>>>>>> set a constant BPM, but then, how do I have it do a retard for me? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm almost done, just two more things. If I'm in say, 4/4 time, and >>>>>>>>>> all a sudden, at the start of a bar, I need to switch time >>>>>>>>>> signatures without moving the tempo, is there a way I can do that? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Finally, If I've inserted midi tracks into my session, and have >>>>>>>>>> their output paths going to different xpand2 instrument tracks, is >>>>>>>>>> there then a way that I could save that arrangement as a .mid midi >>>>>>>>>> file? I know it won't save audio, and I know the samples in the >>>>>>>>>> xpand2 tracks wouldn't be saved as midi. I'm perfectly aware of >>>>>>>>>> that. I know the whole thing about midi isn't sound. I know it's >>>>>>>>>> just 1's and 0's, hince, why I'm routing their outputs to instrument >>>>>>>>>> tracks. I just wonder if I could then take those midi tracks, >>>>>>>>>> assign the correct GM patches to them like piano, guitar, base, >>>>>>>>>> drums on channel 10, etc. then export them down where any midi >>>>>>>>>> player, even something simple as WinAmp on Windows could then play >>>>>>>>>> the .mid file back with the correct patches in place, and would >>>>>>>>>> sound decent. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Again, I'm sorry for all the questions, but again, I trust you all >>>>>>>>>> will pitch in and help me out here a bit. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit >>>>>>>>>> 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