Heh, I will admit that I submitted an advanced topic at my first PuppetCamp and the result was that I lost 95% of the audience, 2 people actively went to sleep, and 6 folks in the back were absolutely thrilled that I had presented the content.
So...yeah, I'm not sure what the right answer is. 1) We *want* people to understand that you can do advanced things in Puppet and how 2) We don't want to alienate/bore 80% of the audience 3) We want people to get excited I still think that a dual room/track type of event would be best but, obviously, the cost goes up. Would it be possible to do something where all beginner topics are at the beginning and the advanced topics are at the end of a PuppetCamp? If that was explicitly announced, there could be a second level registration for people that want to show up for only the advanced materials and the beginners can bail. Not sure if it would work but I think it might draw more people. Thanks, Trevor On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Gareth Rushgrove <gar...@morethanseven.net > wrote: > On 13 April 2016 at 14:49, 'Tim Meusel' via Puppet Developers > <puppet-dev@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > Am Mittwoch, 13. April 2016 02:15:57 UTC+2 schrieb Rob Nelson: > >> > >> > >>> I'd also be remiss not to point out we've got way more scope to have > >>> advanced talks at PuppetConf in the US and the CFP is open..... > >>> http://2016.puppetconf.com/cfp-registration/ > >> > >> > >> Speaking to the advanced realm, is there any possibility of slots longer > >> than 45 minutes? Even an extra 10 minutes could make a huge difference. > Or > >> maybe some workshops, even if small in size? > >> > >> > > > > As a (some would say too) regular speaker, I would say there is a big > difference in the amount of work required putting together a 40 minute > talk vs an hour talk. This really raises the barrier to entry for > first time or inexperienced speakers in my experience. And Puppet Camp > (I hope) does a reasonable job of encouraging people new to speaking. > > I've also rarely seen a 60 minute talk that wouldn't have been > improved by being shorter. That's definitely personal opinion (albeit > from too many events) and as a native english speaker. Longer > workshops are also really hard to do well too. > > Personally, I'd also like to see more advanced content. But since > joining Puppet Labs I've not seen that many advanced submissions to > the Puppet Camps I've helped out with. Although I appreciate that's a > chicken and egg situation to a certain extend. Do people not submit? > Or what particular topics would you like to see in the bracket? > > Gareth > > > That would be really cool. Most other conferences here handle it like > this: > > 45 or 60min talk -> 15min Q&A -> 15min break to change room (if there are > > several parallel tracks). The speaker can decide if he wants the QA or > take > > that time as an extra 15min for the talk. 45min slots are really short > if > > you've a complex topic that needs a longer introduction :( > > > >> -- > >> > >> Rob Nelson > >> rnel...@gmail.com > >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Puppet Developers" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to puppet-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/puppet-dev/5008ce96-4885-4b86-9789-7ee3274cfd5f%40googlegroups.com > . > > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > Gareth Rushgrove > @garethr > > devopsweekly.com > morethanseven.net > garethrushgrove.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Puppet Developers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to puppet-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/puppet-dev/CAFi_6yJ%2BE3vtVGO3GffxheJyaVFW94YRt%3DxZDipxMSyuSc1Jqg%40mail.gmail.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Trevor Vaughan Vice President, Onyx Point, Inc (410) 541-6699 -- This account not approved for unencrypted proprietary information -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Developers" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to puppet-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/puppet-dev/CANs%2BFoUGryJ9cKGWXv_Sc5MKaf0TM3_h_vS6kjAeg-R2s_dm5Q%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
