On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Siddhartha Kasivajhula <countvajh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but does Elixir > (http://elixir.ematia.de/trac/wiki) fit in anywhere in this discussion? I'm > a relative newcomer to pyramid and I've been meaning to use Elixir on top of > SQLAlchemy when I do write a SQL-based app (so far my only experience with > pyramid has been simple apps that didn't need a SQL layer). Seems like > SQLAHelper may be for more nuanced use cases but just thought I'd ask for > clarification while this email thread is active.
Elixir and SQLAHelper address different questions. SQLAlchemy by itself has an API to define tables and ORM classes. SQLAHelper is a container to organize one's engines, sessions, and declarative bases -- it does not deal directly with ORM classes. Elixir provides a "super-declarative" syntax for defining ORM classes, and may provide additional "active record" features beyond that. Elixir was released at a time before SQLAlchemy's declarative syntax existed. MikeB added declarative after many long clamors for this feature, but he did it in a minimal way, to offer just enough syntax sugar without getting too magical. Elixir may go beyond that but I'm not sure. So I don't know whether Elixir has any added value now that declarative is in standard SQLAlchemy. In any case, there's two different issues: "Can I use Elixir with Pyramid?" and "Will Pyramid officially support Elixir, or include it as a default feature?" The answer to the first question is, "Probably. You can ask about Elixir on this list or look in the Pyramid Cookbook for user-contributed articles on it." The answer to the second question is, "No, it's a high-level library, and Pyramid includes only medium-level libraries. E.g., there's built-in support for SQLAlchemy, but not for any particular form library." SQLAHelper is kind of between official and unofficial support. Whether it should be an official default or not, is what people in this thread have been discussing. -- Mike Orr <sluggos...@gmail.com> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pylons-discuss" group. To post to this group, send email to pylons-discuss@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to pylons-discuss+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss?hl=en.
