On 13Feb2019 1112, Brett Cannon wrote:


On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 2:55 AM Paul Moore <p.f.mo...@gmail.com <mailto:p.f.mo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 22:00, Antoine Pitrou <anto...@python.org
    <mailto:anto...@python.org>> wrote:
     > Here is a 161-message Discourse thread (at the time of this writing):
     > https://discuss.python.org/t/pep-517-backend-bootstrapping/789

    As someone directly involved in that discussion, with a strong need to
    understand all of the points being made, that's a great example of
    both the benefits and the flaws of the discourse model.


Can I ask if that entire thread is on topic, or is there a reasonable point in that discussion where side conversations could have been broken off into a separate topic(s)? When email threads tend to reach that length there have been side discussions that could have become their own topic if someone thought to change the subject and Discourse allows for having an admin break posts off at any point and I'm curious if it would have been helpful and people simply didn't think about it (I know I don't always think of it immediately yet).

My feeling (as I followed the entire discussion from the start) is that the side discussions all tied back, rather than diverging permanently. So at best it would be "you 2-3 go and discuss this part separately and come back when you agree", which as we know is often followed up by "you other 2-3 re-discuss everything they already discussed since you weren't part of the side discussion".

So in this case, I don't think it would have benefited from being split out. In fact, I think it worked best in the linear form because when someone (typically either Paul or Thomas) declared a summary, it basically forced all the branches to converge.

It's a long discussion because it has no clear answer and the concerns are on the level of "what weird things will the entire world do if we offer this", which can't be tested. As far as asynchronous, online-only options go, I'm not convinced that any other approach would have worked better.

Cheers,
Steve
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